Champagne Glass: The Desert Storm

Stu Nettle (stunet)
Design Outline

Since the rise of the shaping machines and the acceptance of surfboard models, the focus for replication has largely been on small wave boards. Think Ducks Nuts and Dumpster Divers and Hypto Kryptos and the like, with the odd excursion into fish and step ups. There are, of course, models for big wave boards but for various reason they get less play in the media.

For the last 20 years Wayne Webster has been shaping guns out of his NSW North Coast factory. Around 10 years ago, while working with Twiggy Baker, the two developed the Black Hula, a high-volume gun. More recently Webby has been working with Camel, further developing the Black Hula concept into the forward-weighted, full-outline Desert Storm.

The Desert Storm is a design that's proving both versatile and popular. For a board originally designed to ride the largest waves possible it's found various uses and is now one of the most sought after big wave models.

Swellnet recently chatted with Webby about the Desert Storm.

Tell us a bit about the history of the DS?
Hmmm...it goes way back. I’d been passionate about shaping boards for bigger waves and I’d done a high-volume step-up board, like for six-to-eight foot waves, and also at the time I was shaping for Twiggy [Grant Baker]. This was in the early days of the Big Wave World Tour, like when Twig won it. At the time standard guns were still needle-like, yet Twiggy was right into high volume guns. Every big wave surfer rides them now but he was one of the first guys to recognise the advantages in really big waves.

That work led to the Black Hula. It’s a high volume gun but it still has a lot of rocker in the board, a lot of curve, it just gives you a bit more push when you want the board to push back in bigger waves.

Is the Desert Storm a progression of that?
In a way. The original idea came from working with Camel. He started riding what Twiggy was riding but then through all the conversations we were having the design morphed into something else, which became the Desert Storm. Generally speaking, the idea was to create something that would let surfers catch the largest wave of their life. Or even just to catch the biggest wave that breaks at any serious spot on any day. That’s what it’s made for.

It has more volume in the outline [than the Black Hula] and a flatter deck which hides a lot of the volume.

It’s for guys who are pushing out into 15 foot waves, 20 foot waves, who are thinking to themselves: “Hey, you know what? I want to try and get a really big wave and not be taking off in the lip.” It gives them that extra paddle power, letting them get to the bottom of a very big wave, and sort of get away from that falling lip.

7'6", 8'6", and 9'6" Desert Storms with Webby's old logo

How’s it been working with Camel?
We have chats all the time, where you know, you look at your watch and it's like, "Fuck, we've been talking for an hour and a half!" A lot of people think he's the mad scientist when it comes to boards. I've learned a lot about his ideas and how he views surfboards. You know, you hear all those old stories, Camel and the jungle, getting new boards and cutting tails off and doing things so they work right for him. He's like, "Man, like I used to ride these old 80's-style boards back in the day and I've just been trying to find that feeling again."

So that's sort of what we worked on with the Desert Storms: just healthier outlines, more paddle power, flatter decks, and getting the rockers right.

The Desert Storm has a huge influence from him.

Have you incorporated any design elements to loosen the board up?
Only really the vee. The vee bottom does that. The big Desert Storms are a straight vee, the smaller ones are a vee with a double concave inside that. I find vee is quite underrated. Like, especially when a board gets wide, it tends to want to sit flatter in the water and so it’s harder to get on the rail.  Some designs, they're kind of wide and flat, or maybe they have concave, but they get a real slappy rail-to-rail transition, like it doesn't have any sort of smoothness in the rail-to-rail transition.

The vee just gives it that edge to go over. It doesn’t want to fight the movement. You’re already on a big wave, you’ve got speed, all you want now is a board that’ll facilitate a turn.

6'8" and 7'4" DS with new logos - and what an improvement, eh?

Where’s the Desert Storm been surfed?
It's been surfed pretty much all around the world. The guys that really embraced it at the start were in the colder climates. The South Oz and West Oz guys, so it was surfed across the bottom of Australia. You know, thicker waves, thicker wetsuits, colder water, a lot of paddling. But also San Francisco, Hawaii, NZ, Portugal.

And the design has proved versatile in that it can come right down in size?
Yeah, some guys started with, say, an eight-footer, and they were like: "Well, I really like that but I’ve got a wave close to home that I need the same sort of board yet shorter.” So I’ll do a 6’10” Desert Storm that reduces the length while keeping as much paddle power in the board as possible. People are just stretching the idea out depending upon the waves they want to surf.

But it’s still the same concept?
Yeah. Like those aren’t built to catch the biggest waves of your life, obviously, but it just ticks all those other boxes. It paddles well, captures waves, still surfs well. Like it seems to cover everything.

You’ve even shaped one that’s just 6’2”.
Yeah.

What other dimensions did that board have? How thick was it?
It’s 6’2” by 19 ¾ by 2 ⅞.

So it’s pretty thick.
That’s 39 litres of volume. So even though it's short, it's not super tanky in the outline. Just has a little bit of hidden volume in the outline and the flatness in the deck. Like, I'm looking at the board right now, and it actually feels really good under the arm because the rail isn't super chunky. It's just all that hidden volume in the deck.

6’2” x 19 ¾ x 2 ⅞. - different size, same concept

What waves will it be ridden in?
The little 6’2”? He'll probably surf that as a bit more of an all-around short board for himself around home.

But in general, it could be the sort of board that would fit into under sucking slabs and the like?
Yeah. Like the high volume idea started in big boards for really big waves, but now guys are going with the shorter length for slabbier style waves. Just like big waves, you still need to get into slabs real early.

There are hundreds of surfboard models on the market nowadays but most are small wave boards, the Desert Storm isn’t the only big wave model but it’s arguably the most popular big wave model.
Yeah, I don't know if I'd really sort of say that...

You just being modest?
Well...in the last five or six years gun design has probably changed more than any other surfboard type. People used to think a gun is a gun and it’ll never change, but through the feedback with Camel and other great surfers we’re progressing them. All guns are progressing.

Though that’s kinda funny ‘cos when I go to Hawaii and I look at old Hawaiian guns from the 80s I see lots of ideas that are in the Desert Storm. To me, I love the Desert Storm, but it kind of looks like a progressed, modern version of those boards.

Webster Surfboards on the 'net

Comments

crg Monday, 30 Apr 2018 at 11:23 am new

I remember talking to Camel back in the mid 90's at GLand when he was riding boards he'd shaped himself and likewise the conversation just could have gone on forever. The boards were so big and chunky (and rough) and so different to the boards of the era. But when you saw the way he was riding the boards in critical positions you saw the possibilities.
You look back now and just see he was waaaay ahead of his time.
Stoked to see both Camel and Webby doing well with the boards, reinforces the simple fact that the board is the only ESSENTIAL product required for surfing. (And maybe a good wetty!)

Island Bay Monday, 30 Apr 2018 at 11:58 am new

This is why I come here: great articles, great people, great discussions. Thank you all.

Interview with Camel coming up, yes? :-)

stunet Monday, 30 Apr 2018 at 01:15 pm new

Interview? Ah, we'll see...

I've got some great shots of Camel riding some wild ocean on a DS. Keep an eye out for those.

freeride76 Monday, 30 Apr 2018 at 12:02 pm new

the new logo is growing on me, the design is a gem.

That vee gives Cadillac handling at speed in bump.

stunet Monday, 30 Apr 2018 at 12:08 pm new

The new logo got me at first sight. Love the simplicity and how it can be arranged on the boards, especially his big wave boards. Not so keen on the drop shadow version, just like the simple B&W one.

Island Bay Monday, 30 Apr 2018 at 12:09 pm new

Good to hear about the smooth 'suspension', Freeride. That's exactly what I'm after; Wellington is chop/bump/lump city.

derra83 Monday, 30 Apr 2018 at 12:03 pm new

I love those beaked noses on the D Storms. Webby and Cam will probably point to the practicalities, how they give all that up front foam for paddling and late drops but I just reckon they look shit hot.

Grizzle Monday, 30 Apr 2018 at 01:30 pm new

Great board.

My 7'6 DS routinely gets unsolicited positive commentary at OB San Francisco (not at the moment, but in Winter when conditions require a bigger board).

I've often been out when other fellas are on their 9fters but the 7'6 DS is working a treat.

Feels so stable, phenomenal for a board to supply such confidence .

dandandan Monday, 30 Apr 2018 at 01:57 pm new

Last year at big Ulus I saw this short bloke, pretty wiry, in a springsuit, cold water booties and wearing a helmet sitting way out the back. Just had that air about him that he had seen a lot of heavy water, and I reasoned that he was from South West WA. Biggest set of the day comes and he swings and paddles into it super late, no hesitation. I watched him from the shoulder and he barely had a his fins and tails in the wave as he took the drop. He rode that wave until I could barely see him.

Later on in the warungs I inspected his board in the racks: 8'4" and from memory almost 4" thick - as thick a board I've ever seen. It was DS, and I remember thinking "maybe I should get one of these if I'm going to give it a proper crack..". Spent a solid hour trawling the DS thread on here that night, and though I've just thrown down enough moolah to buy a second hand car on a Mitchell Rae (which arrived last week and is bloody beautiful), I'm going to start setting aside a few dollars for a DS too. Great read Stu! Bring on those pics of Camel.

memlasurf Monday, 30 Apr 2018 at 01:57 pm new

Stu, did you take one of those beasts to Hawaii?

stunet Monday, 30 Apr 2018 at 02:10 pm new

No, never ridden one myself. I had a forward-weighted Free Flight, which broke over there, and also rode a few guns that a mate with us shaped.

SNBSROG Monday, 30 Apr 2018 at 01:57 pm new

this design makes so much sence for big waves and then the shorter versions for slabs, good on ya webby and camel, volume is your friend

shoredump Monday, 30 Apr 2018 at 03:11 pm new

I waited till I was 40 to get a board over 7 feet. What a mistake that was. Mine is a JD, and went straight into my top 3 boards of all time after the first session. Like these, there’s plenty of volume, which makes it like cheating getting into waves 2 or 3 times overhead. If I was in the market I’d be buying one of these, everything he says sounds like it makes sense.

timmeh Monday, 30 Apr 2018 at 05:20 pm new

I coulda done with one of those in a 6'6 or so at Cloudy last Saturday!

dangerouskook2000 Monday, 30 Apr 2018 at 08:03 pm new

What's the fin placement from the tail on the 8'6"? Heaps of talk on bottom design, no talk on fin placement from the tail. Webby? Stu? Anyone?

PS. Beautiful boards mate. Love the plan shape especially the rounded pin

crg Monday, 30 Apr 2018 at 07:49 pm new

There was a pretty comprehensive design wrap from Camel in the Forum topics just recently on the DS, covered fin placement and mostly everything. Excellent read.

dangerouskook2000 Monday, 30 Apr 2018 at 08:04 pm new

Thanks mate, I'll have a read.

stunet Monday, 30 Apr 2018 at 08:05 pm new

Hey DK, like CRG says, Camel did an exposition on the finer points of the DS which you can read here:

https://www.swellnet.com/forums/shaping-bay/297740?page=7

'Bout halfway down the page.

velocityjohnno Tuesday, 1 May 2018 at 12:00 pm new

OK Stu, probably time to pull the article and pull the thread now. If everyday surfers actually find out that adequate volume in the right places means catching more waves and catching the bigger waves before the lip pitches you, well, that's game over. Any advantage those with sane volume have had will be nullified. And we can't have that.

We need more footage of pros being towed into Kirra with fossil-fuelled help on 25L boards, and maybe a post by BB saying we should all be on 18 1/2 widths, 2 1/4 thicknesses... ;)

mjh Tuesday, 1 May 2018 at 08:46 pm new

It’s easy to buy the right board. It’s harder to launch yourself over at the ledge on waves these boards are intended for.

lostdoggy Tuesday, 1 May 2018 at 12:07 pm new

Ol' mate in today's WOTD could have done with one.

goofyfoot Tuesday, 1 May 2018 at 01:58 pm new

Haha

velocityjohnno Tuesday, 1 May 2018 at 12:41 pm new

Last post was tongue in cheek, but to add to it also proper apexed vees in the last half, flat decks and beaks all have a purpose, as do rockers/foils suited to either front or back foot surfers. And adequate lengths.

I'd love to see an article on the boards of the Big Wave world tour, because that's where a lot of the board innovation is going on these days. Watching them on the beach at Nazarre I was spun out at how much of the 70's was in those designs (down tail rails for example), and extra spun out they were quads.

stunet Tuesday, 1 May 2018 at 12:51 pm new

"I'd love to see an article on the boards of the Big Wave world tour, because that's where a lot of the board innovation is going on these days."

I just shot off an email to Russ Bierke with some questions about his promotion to the Big Wave Tour, including the boards he'll be using. He's on the road, may not have time to elaborate on that point, but if not, I'll follow it up later.

velocityjohnno Tuesday, 1 May 2018 at 02:14 pm new

That would be great.

Island Bay Wednesday, 2 May 2018 at 12:27 pm new

Looking forward to that article, Stu.

6'10 Desert Storm in the process of being ordered. Probably 19 1/2 or 19 3/4 x 3. Ooohweee!

Spuddups Sunday, 6 May 2018 at 02:55 pm new

Now you can join me out at some of the local outer reefs aye Island Bay. No excuses now! ;-)

Island Bay Monday, 7 May 2018 at 08:33 am new

Big OPP, Spud.

grumpy Monday, 7 May 2018 at 07:07 am new

Great looking board but pretty similar to what Mitchell Rae has done for years at Outer island , more volume , less rocker and fuller noses , tough glass , boards that hate to snap and won't let you down . Add a Flextail and the things go like lightning

AaronS Monday, 7 May 2018 at 12:16 pm new

Some great info in this article & the other DS thread. Just after some specific info regarding quad fins others are using in their DS. From what I can gather smaller Futures fiberglass fins are the go. Looking at the futures site it appears they only do a very limited quad fiberglass range. Any specific quad fin details/recommendations would be much appreciated. Cheers.

Gary G Monday, 7 May 2018 at 12:42 pm new

Gary is always keen to learn more about tail and would appreciate if someone could explain exactly what a flextail is, why they're of advantage, and why only Mitchell Rae uses them.

dandandan Monday, 7 May 2018 at 01:17 pm new

To answer your last question: I doubt anyone else has it in them to do it! They take a really long time to do, and they come in at a standard price of $2250. Selling boards at that price usually means building up a few decades worth of relationships and trust with people I'd imagine.

A lot of guys I know that ride them swear by them. They're all really good surfers who surf really good waves, so I'm not sure what they're like for an average surfer.

lostdoggy Monday, 7 May 2018 at 01:11 pm new

Anyone that has one prefer the thruster set up to a quad in their DS?
I've only read about people running it as a quad.

nicko74 Monday, 7 May 2018 at 02:10 pm new

Im no sure if this link will work, however it's a mental clip of Camel at Gnarloo a fair while ago.
Enjoy.

Island Bay Wednesday, 9 May 2018 at 12:51 pm new

I'd like to just say that Webby is a joy to deal with. Ordered my DS this morning between surfs, and it was a total pleasure. Now for the wait - which I actually enjoy.

goofyfoot Wednesday, 9 May 2018 at 01:01 pm new

Regarding the flex tail comment above saying that they sell for $2250, I can’t ever imagine handing over that much money for something that could break on the first day you use it

simba Wednesday, 9 May 2018 at 01:28 pm new

wow $2250.........kidding right?

Luke69 Wednesday, 9 May 2018 at 04:26 pm new

Would the little ones like 6'2 be too floaty for barreling slabs?

filthyphil Wednesday, 9 May 2018 at 07:56 pm new

i don't think so

udo Tuesday, 29 May 2018 at 04:36 pm new

Webbys got a pic up of probably biggest Stringers ever used - No Flex No Snap.

Clam Saturday, 16 Jun 2018 at 08:17 pm new

Its not necessarily true a thicker stringer is stronger it might be weak wood. A thinner stringer with a high quality might be better ? Aren't convinced that those huge stringers are stronger but im noticing that theses plenty of xxl guns being made with the big ones . Maybe because they're surfing jaws and nazare the boards need to be stronger, im not sure . Wouldnt be suprised if it just a ploy and theres less laminating done in the overall combo, so end result same strength , (but more dings to fix from the weaker shell)

lostdoggy Monday, 11 Jun 2018 at 09:20 pm new

Well priced 6'2 DS for sale in the hunter area.
New logos so can't be very old.

https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/belmont-north/surfing/surfboard-6-2/118…

udo Tuesday, 12 Jun 2018 at 07:28 am new

Thats a Bargain well under half new price.

udo Friday, 15 Jun 2018 at 06:38 pm new

Now $290.

Clam Saturday, 16 Jun 2018 at 08:04 pm new
udo Saturday, 16 Jun 2018 at 08:22 pm new

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Clam Saturday, 16 Jun 2018 at 08:26 pm new

Jinx udo, sorry ! Transferred to the discussion thread udo, I still prefer that one for talking design

udo Saturday, 16 Jun 2018 at 08:26 pm new

Yep saw that..gd idea.

stunet Tuesday, 20 Aug 2019 at 06:55 pm new

Keen for a DS? Webby is selling a bunch of 'em cheap:

https://www.instagram.com/p/B1YS3dpHtSr/

udo Tuesday, 20 Aug 2019 at 08:06 pm new

2 sold already..not surprised with the pricing .

udo Tuesday, 20 Aug 2019 at 09:16 pm new

Only one left -7'0 DS - $700

soggydog Wednesday, 21 Aug 2019 at 09:26 am new

The 6’6” would’ve been a great buy. I bought a 6’9” napalm off him this year..........fucken’yeeeew! Top bloke.

stunet Thursday, 22 Aug 2019 at 11:26 am new

Now Webby's hocking a bunch of Napalms. Oddly not as cheap as the Desert Storms but still good value:

https://www.instagram.com/p/B1cf80uHcOb/

udo Thursday, 22 Aug 2019 at 11:44 am new

Oddly enough the second pic is riding a DS.

udo Friday, 6 Sep 2019 at 08:07 pm new

Webby has another sale on for tomoro..info on his Insta

Island Bay Saturday, 7 Sep 2019 at 03:10 am new

And there's a 9'6 Black Hula for $750. And a 7'2 Spartan $520!!!

stunet Tuesday, 6 Oct 2020 at 05:54 pm new

Ben Ross redlining a DS over sand:

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Island Bay Tuesday, 6 Oct 2020 at 06:55 pm new

I saw that on Webby's Insta. Jeez, that's a barrel!

factotum Tuesday, 6 Oct 2020 at 08:37 pm new

Is the title a reference to the 2 Live Crew?

"I like the way you lick the champagne glass..."

(you may have to google for the next line)