Next Federal Election

velocityjohnno started the topic in Monday, 22 Jan 2024 at 02:15 pm

Might as well put this up in the politics subforum, to spare the front page. It's 18 months away or so, but here we go.

This is how Dutton wins:

https://www.afr.com/politics/enter-the-liberal-party-working-class-hero…

Pop Down Sunday, 7 Apr 2024 at 11:04 am

Andy

Qube have Evolved , in Public Hands , to become like Australia Post on Steriods , delivering Everything From Food 2 Cars .

The CEO and Board are accountable 2 Only their Shareholders ( Australian Superfunds ) .

He doesn't hand out Expensive Watch's to the other Board Members , 4 working hard .

Do U think Qube , could do a better Job at delivering our letters or parcels , that Australian Post ?

Should Aust Post takeover ( Nationalise ) , Qube ?

Or should WE Privatise Australia Post and get our Snail Mail Moving , again ?

They are more like The Pony Express atm , its not easy .

quadzilla Monday, 8 Apr 2024 at 02:03 pm

What did Stalin invent ffs ???

Death and destruction, its popular in Eastern Europe at the moment.

quadzilla Tuesday, 9 Apr 2024 at 07:47 am

On AlbaSLEAZEies watch...Hes invested in a tent factory and has production set a 1 million in 2025 to handle the people he is importing.

indo-dreaming Thursday, 11 Apr 2024 at 07:25 am

Here's a kind of good news story.

I have a lot of mates in Tassie in this area and they all love this guy, a fisherman/nature lover that lives and breaths the land & sea, to me this is a a real environmentalist. (unlike the Greens who are just a far left marxist party)

"Meet Craig Garland, the anti-salmon-farm, anti-native-forest-logging fisherman set to enter Tasmania's parliament

In short: Craig "Garbo" Garland, a fisherman from Tasmania's north-west, has been successful on his sixth try to become a politician.

Mr Garland, who shot to prominence as an "angry fisherman" almost a decade ago, says he will make the marine environment his key focus in parliament.

What's next? Mr Garland says it is too early to say whether he will deliver the Liberals confidence and supply, but it is better for the government to "have me inside the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing in".

A fisherman from Tasmania's north-west nicknamed "Garbo" surprised many when he nabbed the 35th and final seat at the March state election.

Craig Garland shot to prominence when he protested against salmon producer Tassal's relocation of seals to the north-west coast, saying the "dogs of the sea" had ruined fishing livelihoods.

Six attempts to enter politics later, Mr Garland will now be making waves inside Tasmanian parliament.

"I'm not some shiny-arse suit rolling out some spiel," he said.

"A lot of the people that have come up to me just in recent times … [say,] 'Don't wear a suit, don't dress up. You're not one of them.'

"[They say,] 'You don't have to conform and you just be yourself.' But I don't know how to be anything else, to be honest."

Known for his bare-bones campaigns largely relying on social media and face-to-face conversations, Mr Garland kept the same approach this time around.

"I spent $2,000 of my own money, $1,500 on fuel, three or four hundred on star pickets and screws to put my signs up," he said.

"I was donated $1,000 by a mate. And I turned that $1,000 into signs and gave it back to him at the end of it.

"I spent the smallest amount of money, I won by the smallest amount of margin ever, and I'm a small-mesh fisherman.

Continued here https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-10/craig-garland-tasmanian-parliame…

https://i.imgur.com/lgQkYWc.png

Pop Down Thursday, 11 Apr 2024 at 08:09 am

Thanks Indo

The Garbo's line about the government being better off " having me inside the the tent pissing out than outside the tent pissing In " , instantly won me over .

Looks like a knock em down , bareknuckle , bare-boned Tassy Legend IMHO .

He only spent what was needed 2 Win his Spot in the Tassy Tent and got in by the 1 vote he needed ( at the 6th Attempt :))) .

After cleaning up Tassy's tent , let's send the Garbo UP to Canberra , 2 clean Up that place 2 !

flollo Thursday, 11 Apr 2024 at 03:51 pm

Better not Pop. Canberra feds are just a bunch of lawyer/accountant type of operators who talk a lot but have very little influence. Some come with a business background, some with a union but it's all the same package. They allocate the funds but have no operative experience or resources on the ground level (military excepted). The state is where the action is. And I guess we learned that well through Covid.

GuySmiley Thursday, 11 Apr 2024 at 05:48 pm
Pop Down Thursday, 11 Apr 2024 at 06:58 pm

Hey Smiley

Your comment looks 2 much like a tongue twister 4 my liking .

Are U a Guardian ( gosh , imaging subscribing for a Guardian ! ) for Voldy's Free lol Speech and ability to Puff on something like a Pliba Wong Chair .

He really has the Minister of Immigration in some trance , Home Affairs minister has Gone with the Fairies and Albo is covering Up the Wong Foreign Affairs Cauldron .

That Voldy sure does have everyone freakin OUT with a Speech atm .

velocityjohnno Thursday, 11 Apr 2024 at 08:00 pm

Imagine if this one actually happens, well done ALP

Over the last decade I recall many promises before elections, but manufacturing has kept falling - it's been decimated. Perhaps they realise all too late the strategic situation? Anyway, good noises being made. Now about our emergency oil reserves, not the space in US reserves we've optioned, but the actual real tanks in the ground here in Australia...

If it were me, I'd be quietly building a Fischer-Tropsch setup near the Gippsland coal for we will still need trucks after the SIngapore refineries products are unable to deliver...

Pop Down Thursday, 11 Apr 2024 at 08:24 pm

Another real ALP Plan .

A Plan 2 have a Plan in 2025 .

Albo is a bit busy 2 deliver one until after the Election .

He will organise a Committee now probably , 2 Plan 4 The Planning of the 2025 Plan .

I had better plan on higher electricity bills and getting an Electric Bike ( no diesel back up ) with board racks .

GuySmiley Thursday, 11 Apr 2024 at 09:54 pm

Pop Down wrote:

Another real ALP Plan .

A Plan 2 have a Plan in 2025 .

Albo is a bit busy 2 deliver one until after the Election .

He will organise a Committee now probably , 2 Plan 4 The Planning of the 2025 Plan .

I had better plan on higher electricity bills and getting an Electric Bike ( no diesel back up ) with board racks .

It’s easier to understand what the fuck you and the boys are saying with the lyrics Pops

seeds Thursday, 11 Apr 2024 at 10:01 pm

Shit there was a Mel Gibson and Donald Trump in there.
None the less the Chosen Ones are mighty fine singers for whoever sits at the desk at the Potala.

Optimist Friday, 12 Apr 2024 at 07:42 am

VJ I like the statement it’s better to go to an election with a vision than a report card…..
manufacturing can be a huge success in Australia again as the world has changed and also if the Govt can bring energy prices down…..
Using our own clean burning gas reserves is the answer along side renewables.
The govt needs to pay out and take over the gas cartels and supply it themselves as it’s an obvious financial wind fall in suppling cheap auto gas and domestic / industrial gas which would make us a manufacturing leader.
Then let the world have what’s leftover for a premium price.
Good on them for talking it up and it looks like stepping it up.

frog Friday, 12 Apr 2024 at 08:48 am

China can produce solar panels and EVs at a sixth of the price the US can.

Every country in the world probably has a plan (one page powerpoint presso ) of some sort to become a leader in solar panel manufacturing.

But Albo has a plan to beat them all in Aussieland.

The vision is fine and something we would all support but the reality of markets where you have no competitive advantage can be brutal. Where did our car industry go?

Or, take note of Germany - the manufacturing powerhouse of Europe - facing de-industrialisation due to higher energy costs, demographics and competition from China, Asia and their American "friends" (who are very actively luring the best German companies to the US).

Optimist Friday, 12 Apr 2024 at 09:05 am

I think we have come to a point where people would pay a little more to support an industry especially one that employes their friends and family. After rising shipping costs, many products are getting dearer…better warranty with locally made too.
Rough example….I only buy Norco milk…much more expensive than the New Zealand supermarket stuff but it’s local and I know people who milk cows…
I’d buy Australian solar panels etc over any other brand….warranty is the best.
LPG and natural Gas powered cars will also make a comeback. They are already working on them in Europe. We can make them in Australia alongside hydrogen ones.
Cars with a small gas engine to generate the power to drive the electric motors in cars is the best way with no big throwaway battery required. Let’s make them here.

indo-dreaming Friday, 12 Apr 2024 at 09:13 am

frog wrote:

China can produce solar panels and EVs at a sixth of the price the US can.

Every country in the world probably has a plan (one page powerpoint presso ) of some sort to become a leader in solar panel manufacturing.

But Albo has a plan to beat them all in Aussieland.

The vision is fine and something we would all support but the reality of markets where you have no competitive advantage can be brutal. Where did our car industry go?

Or, take note of Germany - the manufacturing powerhouse of Europe - facing de-industrialisation due to higher energy costs, demographics and competition from China, Asia and their American "friends" (who are very actively luring the best German companies to the US).

100% its just political bullshit, all parties play on this dream of bringing manufacturing back cause its a dream of left and right and all in between

But its economically not realistic unless you put crazy high tariffs on things like solar panels from OS which would then just mean we can only buy Australia made at crazy high prices that then slows down the take up of renewables.

Not to mention in regard to labour based work, we have a shortage of workers skilled and unskilled in the building industry, makes more sense to focus on fixing that.

ashsam Friday, 12 Apr 2024 at 09:57 am

Optimist wrote:

I think we have come to a point where people would pay a little more to support an industry especially one that employes their friends and family. After rising shipping costs, many products are getting dearer…better warranty with locally made too.

Rough example….I only buy Norco milk…much more expensive than the New Zealand supermarket stuff but it’s local and I know people who milk cows…

I’d buy Australian solar panels etc over any other brand….warranty is the best.

LPG and natural Gas powered cars will also make a comeback. They are already working on them in Europe. We can make them in Australia alongside hydrogen ones.

Cars with a small gas engine to generate the power to drive the electric motors in cars is the best way with no big throwaway battery required. Let’s make them here.

Can't compare a extra $1 or 2 for milk v thousands extra to get a solar system on your house, could be the difference between someone getting solar or not, it was Rudd and Labor that caused the last solar manufacture in Australia to go out of business.

The pittance you get back for FIT now almost makes solar not worth it unless you use it up during the day, in this climate people won't be paying heaps more for Aussie made.

Optimist Friday, 12 Apr 2024 at 11:59 am

It’s true unless the govt supplies cheap energy to manufacturing it’s just all a political stunt.
Solar panels however are made by robots anyway and they earn the same wage here as China and the mineral resource to make them is here too so maybe that one can be a winner.

Supafreak Friday, 12 Apr 2024 at 12:20 pm

Pop Down wrote:

Hey Smiley

Your comment looks 2 much like a tongue twister 4 my liking .

Are U a Guardian ( gosh , imaging subscribing for a Guardian ! ) for Voldy's Free lol Speech and ability to Puff on something like a Pliba Wong Chair .

He really has the Minister of Immigration in some trance , Home Affairs minister has Gone with the Fairies and Albo is covering Up the Wong Foreign Affairs Cauldron .

That Voldy sure does have everyone freakin OUT with a Speech atm .

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sypkan Tuesday, 16 Apr 2024 at 08:03 pm

I imagine even a button named dutton could beat labor with a primary vote in the 20's...

quadzilla Saturday, 20 Apr 2024 at 04:17 am
Optimist Saturday, 20 Apr 2024 at 11:27 am

Ha ha quad…that cheered me up after seeing the crap surf today.
She’s pretty funny ol’ Pauline …..might just be the one to set things back on track a bit better….or at least balance it up a bit.

quadzilla Saturday, 20 Apr 2024 at 05:37 pm

Optimist wrote:

Ha ha quad…that cheered me up after seeing the crap surf today.

She’s pretty funny ol’ Pauline …..might just be the one to set things back on track a bit better….or at least balance it up a bit.

Yeah, the cartoons are a crack up...but state the absolute truth about this imposter group of jerks off that call themselves "the government".

velocityjohnno Monday, 6 May 2024 at 05:40 pm

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2024/apr/30/federal-election…

Libs come out linking immigration to housing builds...

"The Albanese government has promised that new visa settings including a crackdown on international students will contribute to the rate of net migration halving by mid-year.

But Bragg criticised the fact that those reforms after the migration review “exclude construction workers from the core skills temporary migration stream”, which he says “has made it harder for chronic skills shortages in the construction industry to be filled by skilled migrants”. "

Reading between the lines, hasta la vista tradies.

sypkan Monday, 6 May 2024 at 09:20 pm

not to worry...

housing crisis already sorted

quadzilla Tuesday, 7 May 2024 at 07:57 am

The AlboSLEAZY government is setting up a migrant plan to import bridge builders...

Provision is that the bridges have enough room underneath them to shelter the builders families.

velocityjohnno Tuesday, 7 May 2024 at 03:37 pm

sypkan wrote:

not to worry...

housing crisis already sorted

https://twitter.com/Theblackfemini3/status/1787075221524201580

related:

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2024/05/foreign-raiders-buy-up-austral…

I'll put that up in the housing thread for posterity. We whored out the very land we walk on.

andy-mac Tuesday, 7 May 2024 at 03:57 pm

velocityjohnno wrote:

not to worry...

housing crisis already sorted

https://twitter.com/Theblackfemini3/status/1787075221524201580

related:

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2024/05/foreign-raiders-buy-up-austral…

I'll put that up in the housing thread for posterity. We whored out the very land we walk on.

No brainer really.
If you're not a citizen, you cannot own land/ property...

quadzilla Tuesday, 7 May 2024 at 05:32 pm

PingPong

quadzilla Thursday, 9 May 2024 at 09:07 am

Only 3 million, a lot cheaper than the NO (500 million)

Which is all only taxpayer money, just turn the tap on and more flows out.

flollo Thursday, 9 May 2024 at 09:22 am

andy-mac wrote:

not to worry...

housing crisis already sorted

https://twitter.com/Theblackfemini3/status/1787075221524201580

related:

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2024/05/foreign-raiders-buy-up-austral…

I'll put that up in the housing thread for posterity. We whored out the very land we walk on.

No brainer really.
If you're not a citizen, you cannot own land/ property...

Never going to happen.

sypkan Thursday, 9 May 2024 at 12:37 pm

reality hits home...

government 'backlips' on its gas exploration chatter

good

doesn't backflip on being gas cartel's bitch

bad

must maintain cheap gas for overseas imterests while australians pay through the nose

again...

quadzilla Friday, 10 May 2024 at 12:26 pm
AndyM Saturday, 11 May 2024 at 08:52 am

Gold Coast light rail and the private sector delusion.

"Scott Elaurant, a transport planner and 35-year veteran of the industry, says the most efficient place he ever worked is the Queensland department of roads in the 1980s.

The state government had a steady supply of work planned years or decades in advance, with economies of scale, zero profit margin, and extremely low borrowing and insurance costs to manage risk. It contracted out discrete technical tasks to private firms, but routine tasks like project management were done in-house.

But in the 80s, governments started hiring private firms to do project management. The thinking was that the government was slow and old-fashioned and if the entrepreneurial private sector was given the job it could do things better, cheaper, faster. The idea was much less popular in mainland Europe.

Elaurant says the idea was simply wrong.

“This desire to have just simple competition on lowest fixed lump sum price was based on the delusion that the private sector is better at managing risk than government,” Elaurant says. “I’ve worked on both sides; I have no ideological preference. But I have seen no evidence of that in my entire career.”

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/article/2024/may/11/the-chea…

bonza Saturday, 11 May 2024 at 01:24 pm
indo-dreaming Monday, 13 May 2024 at 07:05 pm

I cant remember what thread the Musk censorship thing was in but here is as good as any.

"Elon Musk’s X wins Australia court fight over censorship of church stabbing video"
https://www.ft.com/content/7823d891-f69a-4e92-86c4-4c47de3a27b0

blackers Monday, 13 May 2024 at 09:59 pm

And this is a good thing?

AndyM Tuesday, 14 May 2024 at 12:09 am

bonza wrote:

^ https://www.booktopia.com.au/the-big-con-mariana-mazzucato/book/9781802…

Recommend this AndyM.

Sounds spot on Bonza.

"The 'Big Con' is possible in today's economies because of the unique power that consultancies wield through extensive contracts and networks - as advisors, legitimators and outsourcers - and the illusion that they are objective sources of expertise and capacity. The Big Con weakens our businesses, infantilizes our governments and warps our economies."

sypkan Tuesday, 14 May 2024 at 02:20 pm

"And this is a good thing?"

I hate that much trotted out term in oz...

'punching above our weight'

australia... well and truly, errr... winning...

what a list to be top of!

for a functioning 'free' democracy...

stunet Tuesday, 14 May 2024 at 02:47 pm

1) Gimme some examples of what the censorship demands were?

2) Why shouldn't social media be held to the same standard legacy media were?

3) If you think social media should be censorship free then you're a naive fucking idiot.

flollo Tuesday, 14 May 2024 at 02:51 pm

Give me a break. Our government is a rare example of someone trying to beat this evil. Good on them.

blackers Tuesday, 14 May 2024 at 02:55 pm

Cant disagree with any of that Stu except point 3, not sure the word naive should be used here. Sypy has a very specific and well worn agenda.

indo-dreaming Tuesday, 14 May 2024 at 03:03 pm

stunet wrote:

1) Gimme some examples of what the censorship demands were?

2) Why shouldn't social media be held to the same standard legacy media were?

3) If you think social media should be censorship free then you're a naive fucking idiot.

So if there is a country where their media laws say the media cant criticise the government, do you think that any content on social media criticising that country should be banned?

basesix Tuesday, 14 May 2024 at 03:15 pm

the people purporting to be Conservatives on here are fkn weird.. Conservatives are meant to have a bleak view of human nature, have faith in traditional and public institutions, and want centralised control over the wacky shit opportunistic humans try to do.
Lots of Liberal Reactionists here, very few conservatives.

stunet Tuesday, 14 May 2024 at 03:24 pm

indo-dreaming wrote:

1) Gimme some examples of what the censorship demands were?

2) Why shouldn't social media be held to the same standard legacy media were?

3) If you think social media should be censorship free then you're a naive fucking idiot.

So if there is a country where their media laws say the media cant criticise the government, do you think that any content on social media criticising that country should be banned?

No.

Quite obviously not talking about ninny stuff like that.

andy-mac Tuesday, 14 May 2024 at 03:31 pm

This is farked.

sypkan Tuesday, 14 May 2024 at 03:42 pm

"the people purporting to be Conservatives on here are fkn weird..."

who are these 'people'?

I only know of one who calls himself such

the rest is just slurs, feeble attempts at belittling, and mis-labelling...

basesix Tuesday, 14 May 2024 at 03:54 pm

fair point, but then there's no slurs, if that is the case.
..just trying to get a handle on these 'I was labor... but fuck if the world hasn't gone to shit, judging by everything that happens on my feeds' types. I find it bewildering, way past my understanding, you're quite right.

Roadkill Tuesday, 14 May 2024 at 05:24 pm

sypkan wrote:

"the people purporting to be Conservatives on here are fkn weird..."

who are these 'people'?

I only know of one who calls himself such

the rest is just slurs, feeble attempts at belittling, and mis-labelling...

who are these 'people'?

100% correct question to ask.