Man charged after surf-rage attack at Lennox Head
A local surfer will appear in court next month accused of holding a woman's head underwater during an alleged surf-rage incident on the New South Wales north coast.
It is alleged the 55-year-old pushed the woman underwater three times after the man, riding a surf mat, and the woman's board collided at Lennox Head last month.
Detective Chief Inspector Cameron Lindsay said the man was charged this week with assault occasioning actual bodily harm. "We will allege that he held this female underwater to the point that she thought she was going to drown," he said.
"She was able to break free and get some air … we will also allege she faked being unconscious and was let go."
Police said they had heard of other surf-rage incidents at Lennox, and urged any witnesses to come forward.
"The message from police is to respect each other in the water, and the laws apply not only on land, but also in the surf," Chief Inspector Lindsay said.
Surf rage spreads as international visitors flock to breaks
The incident comes amid growing concerns about surf rage at the region's famous right-hand point break. A sign was recently erected urging visitors to "respect the locals, do not paddle up the inside".
(Bruce Mackenzie)
Le-Ba (Lennox-Ballina) Boardriders Club president James Wood said heavy crowds had led to growing tension in the surf line-up.
"There's been a lot more people down here in the water, and it's starting to bubble over to incidents like that," he said. "It's hard to not be angry if a car full of people arrive and jump out and start taking every wave, and muscle in because they don't know the etiquette for the area."
"We probably educate them through yelling at them."
More peaceful in the water than it used to be
Local surf journalist Steve Shearer said a wave-starved winter had increased tension in the water. But the 48-year-old denied surf rage was getting worse as a result.
"To put things into context, when I was learning to surf and growing up, the surf culture was much more violent," he said. "If you stepped out of line there was more than likely going to be a violent consequence, and I think it's much more peaceful now.
"The crowding now, you've got to accept it, you've got to be prepared to get stoked on less."
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Comments
Riding a surf mat huh? Could this be the same dickhead who, many years ago, told me to "watch it fuckwit" after HE dropped in on me at The Point and almost got run over?
There's one character I wouldn't piss on if he was on fire.
Assault / Dunking captured on Gopro ..
Yeah, apparently isn't going to look good for the fuck knuckle.
Sad shit . . . are we only going to hear more of this infantilism happening?
you didn't get it, she's got baptized.
Female didnt need Baptizing or to eat any Krypt onite
There’s little consequence for being a fuckwit these days hence the increase in fuckwits.
Nail, meet Hammer! Bingo!
What a grub. Its a chick who cares what she did im sure she either did it by accident or just kooked out. Why get so agro at a girl? What a f#$king hero! Besides you ride a a baby's blow up mattress. I grew up in lennox and haven't lived there for years but I'd happily put a fin in his mattress.
No one puts ( the man that rides ) baby’s blow up mattress in a corner !
I grew up in Ballina (left many years ago) and have seen the town and surrounds be destroyed by over development. I worked on one of the first houses in the headlands beach estate way down behind boulders. Now look at it. Ballina and Lennox are almost joined. Full of cashed up city folk who only see what they want. Everybody new everybody back in the day.If we surfed Lennox we respected the locals. We knew most of them through school and later work.If they surfed Ballina they showed respect to us. Thanks to progress and Ballina council, that part of oz is destroyed, just like port and Forster. The good old days are gone
"Thanks to progress and Ballina council, that part of oz is destroyed, just like port and Forster. The good old days are gone ... I worked on one of the first houses in the headlands beach estate way down behind boulders."
Great to see that Irony is still around and going strong.
Got any insight on the story for us Steve?
Maybe more to the story but on paper it looks pretty bad .
If it was, only has himself to blame!
Yeah serious problems if you attack chicks, cowardly act. I love females in the surf.
Ahh the good ol North Coast 'peace love and GBH"
attacking a woman . What low life C....T.
You can't stop progress, but You can alter behavior.
Violence against anyone is abhorrent. Attacking a woman is certainly another level on that.
I do wonder what "the man, riding a surf mat, and the woman's board collided" translates to that made him so angry? Was she still on it and aimed at him? Was it an SUP that hit him in the back of the head and almost killed him? Did his air-bed get a hole and now he is homeless?
Some News reports indicate that the woman was riding the mat .She apparently she didn't report the incident until a week later .
A possible attempted murder charge if the video shows intent . Not a good way to end your surf .
Struth the issue of assault is disgraceful.
The sign doesn't achieve much either is it suggesting visitors not to paddle inside locals or for everyone to not paddle up the inside? Wonder if these same folk who are encouraging areas show utmost respect to others visiting and when they are traveling to visit other areas?
Agree with the sentiment of not paddling up the inside of others etc but you must practice what you preach yeah?
Jeez what a mug! I’m glad we don’t have this kind of carry on in WA ... Maybe this inflatable mattress riding wombat should stick to groveling between the flags on a high tide with no swell.
Karma's a bitch
Don't drop the soap.
What he said. ˆ
Would be hard to prove the required intent for murder/attempted, but this kind of assault has serious jail time as a possible penalty. The fact he assaulted a woman shouldn't matter however it is hard to think a Magistrate or Judge will not take a much dimmer view of his actions for that reason.
The short answer is that this guy is fucked, the long one is that he's fucken' fucked.
Hopefully the result is harsh, gets a lot of publicity and sends a message to the surfers that behave in this manner.
I'm guessing good behaviour bond with no conviction recorded.
Old school Surf etiquette states.. 1) Your only supposed to half drown cheeky young wave pig males who are too big for their boots and never ever girls. 2) Girls are allowed to drop in if they have nice bottoms, aren't too slow and are elegant to watch.
Maybe you should change your name from Optimist to Chauvinist
Word has it he's got prior form in physically assaulting women.
Buy a chainsaw and attack the C**t - Beachgrit
Such a good read
Yes
Nothing on beachgrit about it??
whereabouts Udo?
Think he's referring to your story.
From a year or so ago.
not on BG though is it?
Feb this year ?
Aug 22 this year according to Richmond Police District FB
https://stabmag.com/news/surf-rage-incident-results-in-attempted-murder…
A link to the exact same story??
Yes, but only for the comments.
And also, this version of events has the woman riding the mat. Not quite the same story. And the date of the alleged offence, from the police.
Important stuff I would have thought.
No, it doesn't. "...after the man, riding a surf mat..."
Really though, fuck off with your spam.
Let your irrational rage abate for a few seconds and try reading it again.
From the linked article...“and the 54-year old woman who was riding a surf mat.”
I’m not spamming shit.
It is common for punters to post related/supporting articles or to go looking for them to get a better picture. I didn’t see you jumping down Udo’s throat for posting a link to the DT Beachgrit article (which I for one appreciated).
I’m pissed I gave the alleged fucknuckle some of my money a while back.
Can we be internet friends now?
Rage? It's possible to swear without being angry. I do it all the fucken time.
All your technicalities are an afterthought, you said you spammed us "only for the comments." If there are corrections, then put them in these comments. Kapiche?
The BG article was from seven months ago and sly old Udo was having a bit of sport.
not condoning his behavior, but I heard she was being a C**T in the water and then she jumped on his back and started it all
I wasnt there but its hard to believe she was the aggressor and if she was, good on her
Must be horrific trying to have a relatively hassle free surf when the waves are on in that region in 2018.
Gimme my 4/3 wettie and double lined hood down here any day.
As for "you've gotta be prepared to be stoked on less"..........Fuck that
I can't understand how you get that attitude toward people & women in particular? .......As for the surf mat, you have to be joking, let the air out of it mate, lay it outside your front door & get some real use out of it.......
Surf mats seem to be very popular around lennox.
Naughty dog
Great vid, that's it won me. Toss the short board, mats are the future [sarcasam tone]yaaawwwn!
Ya reckon cause this blokes out of the water, ol Lenny the oz
Is going to be more crowded? No regulation etc? I have no idea how the lineup works out there but I’m thinking it gets heaps of Goldie surfers doing the run down. People might think it’s a more user friendly free for all now?
Love the sign let’s all sit on the shoulder so the local hard cores can get one at there local. peasants. What do you expect 45 min from Goldie. Circus circus.
I must say if it were my wife he may have found himself accidentally knocking he’s head and possibly drowning.
Ladie basher the local boys should definitely sort him out.
You know what I get from this?
The main enforcer at Lennox rides a surfmat and bashes chicks.
There's plenty of room on the inside to paddle past the slow old guys. Maybe they should take off a bit deeper.
I reckon I'll get a carload of my Brazo mates and head to Lennox this weekend.
Maybe I'll stop in the real estate agent and check out the rentals.
Yas beat me to it halfscouse/Nomal
Two absolute fuckwits at the same break then ?
Lucky Lennox.
I believe it was a ex female pro who JBG may have punched out years ago. Not condoning it but also heard she called another fellow n old c..t and jumped on the mat's back. Dont she woulda been the type to just lie limp. Heard its also all caught on film and the authorities have it. Stab ran a pic of his son the trash bag F wits.
I call it equality.
Plenty of guys get hit or similar back in my day it was the norm.
Well that settles it then...
Fuck me dead
evosurfer... i mean derosurfer... youre a fuckin kook.
Does that mean I rip?
Bazza you drongo go back to the pub you stumbled out of
I don’t condone hitting anyone but there is something in what udo said. If it’s crowded and angry in the water and either gender is being a arsehole they need to be called out. The number of times I have been hassled and dropped in on in Bali by Female Zillas is too many. I verbally abuse them as I would a bloke. Gender equality, take the good with the angry.
So xxx dunked Xxxx ? Reading from that link above it seems like she wouldn't take shit from anyone .There may be more to the story though .It's so much easier to just paddle away and of course don't drop in .
If so, both great surfers on their day: strong wills; frenzy, frustration...lost the joy.
So one dunked the other after she had intentionally jumped on his back whilst riding the same wave ?
As It's in the water, is it Maritime law or Land based Law?
Land.
According to sources who seen the footage apparently she jumped on his back and king hit him. Erryone got a fimer these days, someone happened to get it
There's a few copies circulating so everyone will prob see it in a few days
So a counter charge of assault will happen .
Sounds like a nice place
Udo the fact that its a female no matter how bad she assaulted him 1st
does not matter. The authorities would never charge her.
Equality only goes one way unfortunately and that's the female way.
They want equality but not the same consequences and responsibilities.
It would appear the guy is a complete dropkick and bully anyway so he
gets what he deserves.
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lived in the area from mid 80s to late 90s when the development and crowds drove me away , Lennox is a beautiful wave but was always full of angry old bastards shouting and hollering . No excuse for that sort of crap but was the chick a serial drop in ? hard to understand without background info. if it was carcass he did have a bit of attitude but to do that there must have been prior run ins . all seems a bit crazy . bottom line is dont drop in ,dont snake and wait your turn . Its called a line up cause ya line up
and well said evosurfer , we live in a one sided society now , it sure aint equality . some of the chicks ive surfed with in Sri Lanka and Hawaii over the years have been absolute bastards ,dropping in and carrying on like spoilt brats . we now live in a society where you cant say a bloody thing bad about women even if they are in the wrong without the lynch squad descending on you like vultures and saying your a sexist mysoginist .
I reckon you and evosurfer are completely missing the point here. Try and think about how women encounter the world and the ever-present threat of physical violence from men. Incidents like this say to women - the ocean is no safe place for you (just like land). HE NEARLY DROWNED HER. From my personal experience I've seen so many times men berate women in the surf even when other men have been doing the dropping in, they single out the woman to make an example. That's nothing other than an exercise by someone with more power wielding that over someone with less.
You're right though, this society is one sided. Men get paid way more than women. Men are the one that beat their female partners to death. Men are the ones who feel let down when the world they are promised (and then expect) isn't given to them.
I don't think society is saying we can't say a bad thing about women, I think society is just accepting that there are structural factors that make people encounter the world differently and we have to deal with that.
Here here, really well said. I walk my dogs morning and night in a pretty rough hood, I'm a pretty big fella, rarely carry a phone. Why do women walk/run with a phone in their hand? Think about it.
Pretty sure i heard on the morning tv news that women and mens surfing pay is now equal.
Pfttttt. Acting like a Mangina won,t get you laid Wolfy.
Subjective opinions are often confused with facts.
Sounds like Grumpy likes the sausage if you ask me.
When we were kids we used to ride mats in between the flags and deliberately try and run people over. It was awesome fun.
The old saying, believe nothing of what you hear and only half of what you see
Up to the judge to decide
Id have to say id agree with evo and grumpy on this one. Absolutely no excuse for men hitting or dunking women anywhere, that goes without saying but this day and age is no place to be a straight white male and having an opinion anymore. The reversal of gender bias to the point of being a joke and if you say anything your a mysoginist arsehole. Listen to the ABC radio and everyday there is another example of testicle kicking, how fucked males are story and its just the becoming the norm. If your a dick (or cunt) in the surf it doesn't matter what sex you are you should be called out. A good example I see with the burgeoning numbers of women and adult beginners sharing the lineups is the noticeable decline in ettique , whether this is just that people newer to surfing that never experienced localism or had to come up through the ranks ,showing respect to older more established surfers (waiting for your turn, no grommet pole experience or getting the big cutback spray in the face from the local hottie) to earn their spot in a lineup. I see the beginner spots / nurseries where kids are trying to learn no being infiltrated by angry surfing mums and kooks on sups laying their own form of bullying/domination on the groms , go and paddle out at huzzas or inside grunters and take a look at the shitshow going on out there on a daily basis and what will the groms learn from this example? Been surfing in Bali lately? chaotic and fucking egomaniac horrible lord of the flies experience with surfers of both (or all to be politically correct) sexes being selfish greedy, rude ruthless cunts (some nationalities are worse than others but lets not add racism to my rant).
As for the story above a pro or ex pro,wannbe pro(male or female) dropping in and being a dick is an experience many of us have experienced, old mate really fucked up with his reaction and will face the wrath of both the law and the internet but hopefully both sides of the story are reflected as it unravels. I would love to see this footage if it exists.
Finally @uncle leroy, glad we can finally agree on something, I'm totally on board on you call about bishop whats his name instagram flogging of oneself and surf spots in other states that should be left well alone. Claiming oneself on instagram /facebook/ social media is a disease thats spreading and fastracks the demise of a surf spot quicker than anything.
keep sucking those bananas bazza69 im sure youll get a hang of your soft top this summer when your hanging with ya girly mates at Canggu and well said mikehunt207
..more condescension and anger towards women and girls grumpy?
Surely I was right then - you DO love the sausage! Doesn't mean you have to hate on women though..
The fact that you and evosurfer are on here are trying to turn this incident into a feminist issue or some sort of male equality argument, only highlights your intelligence levels (or lack of them).
Fighting in the lineup is lame, no matter who's involved.
Just as lame as you whinging about getting dropped in on by Sri Lankan or Hawaiian chicks... pfffft... really?! hahaaha... I can't believe you'd mention such a thing in public.
I’ve never seen a man berate a woman in the surf ever , anywhere but I’ve seen plenty of situations where chicks have gotten away with dickhead behaviour that would’ve seen a bloke cop a verbal spray at the least.
Dickheads are dickheads regardless of what’s between their legs.
I rarely comment, but this is a fair call.
"It's starting to boil over in incidents like that".. Bloody hell. They've been other incidents like this..? I'm not really sure what boardriders clubs involve other than to block off a wave to the public for a few wannabe competitors to put on a rashie with a number on it, and not sure if this is the entirety of his statement, but I'd have thought the biggest thing you would want to do in a response to this is denounce the actions of this guy. He almost seems to display a degree of understanding when he says it's hard not to get angry. Fucking disgrace regardless of the circumstances.
Ah go oil ya man bun bazza69 your user name says it all . This posts about agression in the surf not your preoccupation with your homosexuality . The fact is there is obviously more to the situation than is reported here , carcuss isnt the type of bloke to just try and drown someone for a one off drop in
Ah go oil ya man bun bazza69 your user name says it all . This post is about an overly agressive incident in the surf not your preoccupation with your homosexuality so get over it . The fact is there is obviously more to the situation than is reported here , carcuss isnt the type of bloke to just try and drown someone for a one off drop in . Sadly the surf along this stetch of coastline has been over crowded for a long time and incidents like this although normally not as full on are more and more common
Time to ban the surf mat I think, I watched a bloke on one at my local and it started making me angry... that’s where the problem lies... they’re an anger enhancer
It is called inflated anger and blow ups in the surf.
Ha
Daily mail have a piece on it - names and pics of both parties.
So it really was Jodie Cooper?
Thought that was a joke.
Would releasing the footage help ease the speculation?
You've seen it?
Now SEEEEEEE if the surf cam was not taken down, we'd have the evidence bahahahahaha.
Anyhooooo News LTD have gotten a hold of it. Even in the herald Sun.
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Say it mate don’t be scared
I still blame the mat! Makin people angry
Lol I like your posts going against the grain of anger in the thread...
There used to be a mob at Trigg called SALT - 'Surfers Against Lid Traffic', wonder if they are still around.
Not to stereotype but a lot of lesbians are angry even before they get hassled by a geriatric surfing on a lylo. Jodie seems up to fight men but 2/0 so far it would seem reading todays Sunday Times in WA. Maybe better to be dunked a few times rather than punched in the noggin by Jonny Boy Gomes and have to leave the island.
Not to stereotype but......
Hahaha
How do you come up with this shit?
Hawaiian heavies forced a woman to leave Oahu?!
Hahahaaa they’re bigger fuckwits than they get credit for.
That’s pathetic
Talking to a fellow who had seen the footage said.. the footage was very short. The wave had finished, they were a few metres apart in the white water. Forget who swam towards who. But i think she was giving him a mouthful and he just simply dunked her with his matt over the top. May have done it a couple times. The gent recording may have chuckled in shock at the odd scenes. Than someone walked in front of the camera and that was it. Well further grease the Chinese whispers wheel till we know more. Her hand was bandaged in the paper. Was either from her board, the lenno rocks or her smacking him. Dont think his mat could do that
The photo was old, from a shark. Not this incident.
In my experience women and girls in the line up generally get generosity and some leeway in the surf in normal day to day surf compared to a young male or a below average guy surfer. Once if it gets serious though (e.g. a mega day with heavy barrels or just the best day in ages at spot X) and the A team at whatever spot is pumping arrive AND waves are scarce, all generosity disappears for women, girls, groms, older surfers, beginners - anyone other than the small A team group.
So there are aggro weirdos here and there doing random stuff but women can get their share if they pick their days just as i have to.
Initially I thought who does that to a person let a alone a woman, Not condoning aggression in the surf but it takes 2 to tango , and a long time ago Jodie did talk to JBG 'like a man' so he treated her like a man and smacked her in the face. If she jumped on the guys back, well that would be enough to flick the switch of a lot of the nut jobs lurking in the crowded line ups.
If ol mat rider can utilise a wave, then by dropping in, it is purely a fuck you moment. It appears it has been triggered by a collision (him attempting to take her board out more than likely, which is acceptable). Did she proceed to bomb him (not sure).
If it be the case she should lead by example for all surfers and have the charges dropped with an apology (Escalating a situation that should never have been presented, by dropping in). Ol mat could apologise for 2 extra dunkings and as a token of good will offer a custom mat to her.
Everyone wins.
Maybe there was a pre-cursor of which we may never know.
My smart mouth got me a dunking at BP, later returned the dropin at boiling pot. An unsaid common ground was found. But as someone said above. There are some stressed firecrackers around and it dont take much to ignite em.
EDIT. Looks like the beachgrit article highlights that ol mat dropped in. Well, I'll keep with status quo regarding dropping in, and accept my assumption on events was wrong.
So maybe 2 sides to this story but I wouldn't want to be facing a judge to explain why I held a woman's head underwater.
My first reaction was gaol the bugger. I hate violence against women even if they are behaving outrageously. I hate seeing a blokes head being held underwater. Farking terrifying. Haven't seen that in years.
Disappointed to see some of the 'political correctness gone mad, you can't even hold a woman's head underwater these days' comments. Not the time to be arguing that line.
Kinda off topic but not... who's the psycho old bloke who "surfs" The Pass on an old beater surfboard on his guts (eg doesn't/can't even stand up)? Massive attitude fuckwit local...
That would be 'ol two teeth Steve. Was a pretty good goofyfoot long boarder before blowing out his knee and now resorts to sliding around prone on his old beater. Yes he has the local attitude but he's seen a lot of idiots in his time. Used to sport a wetshirt with a hand painted slogan "I see stupid people". If you put a bit of time in out there you'll find he's not such a bad bloke. I gave up on surfing the Pass because of the idiots he complains about, not because of him.
Fair enough... I'm just judging from my interaction with him and it wasn't reasonable or even close to it. I'm competent in the water and was just having some lazy fun on a longboard one day and the guy goes full ballistic like a complete retard that I'd endangered his life/wellbeing. Gets intimidating and up in my face and then doesn't let it go completely spoiling his own session. Just seemed like a bitter, angry old cunt. You're surfing The Pass for fucks sake - sorry it's changed and you don't have the good old days but if you're going to act like that maybe it's time to just move on and surf elsewhere ...
Yeah mate I've no doubt his behaviour was irrational, I've seen it many times before from him. And like you said - why doesn't he just move on. Easier said than done. The long term surfing community in Byron has always been a low income subsistence lifestyle. The reality of living there now is so expensive that any meagre reserves of income are used in just surviving. I know firsthand - I've just left after 24 years there but am fortunate to have the resources and opportunity to reestablish myself further down the coast. Steve has watched his lifestyle choice disappear, living week to week trying to hang on to it. He can't afford to operate on his knee so he's lost his ability to do what he loves. In the near future the house he has rented forever is going to be knocked down and redeveloped. He's lost his community, his ability to surf and soon a place to live. Pretty daunting times for someone his age with limited mobility and resources.
These aren't excuses for his behaviour, merely contributing factors to it.
And I think as an overall recurring theme which is prevalent through this entire thread, is that even though we're all surfers, all chasing the same wave, the same feeling - we're all also completely different. We all bring the baggage of our entire lives into the ocean, many of us use surfing as a therapy, some of us just enjoyment, some of us it's a virtual addiction. At that moment of attaining the feeling we are searching for, if someone interferes with that and the outcome we are expecting, then a life's emotions can come pouring out.
Just some random thoughts to consider. I hope you're finding some uncrowded waves somewhere...
"We all bring the baggage of our entire lives into the ocean, many of us use surfing as a therapy, some of us just enjoyment, some of us it's a virtual addiction. At that moment of attaining the feeling we are searching for, if someone interferes with that and the outcome we are expecting, then a life's emotions can come pouring out."
Jeez...great post, crg.
best comment on here mate hats off. This thing has spiders all over it. Your taking 2 horrible things (violence against women and surf rage) and combining them which is amplifying its shitness. Times like this im glad im just a shit kicker and not someone in charge of making decisions and/or judgements in relation to the incident. Perhaps they need to look at them seperately. Judge on the incident in the surf from a genderless point of view then look at it seperately afterwards.
Sorry to cross pollinate threads but this is the reason the WSL move into the North West of WA riles me so much .
The joint means so much to me and many others and we realise that times and places change but the only impetus for this game altering media event is to maybe - MAYBE - slightly further enrich a bloke that was given $500 million dollars to invest by his family when he graduated from college.
Even if he turns a profit from the entire circus it’ll be an unnoticeable, infinitesimal change in digits on his balance sheet with zero change in his lifestyle.
A lifestyle with no attachment whatsoever to the coast he will forever change by broadcasting its attributes to the world.
We’ve all got baggage except for Dirk Ziff.
The cunt doesn’t surf and doesn’t NEED the small sanctuary provided to so many by the North West.
And the fact that some fellow surfers ( surfing WA ) are intent on selling the joint out and everything that they also love about it for a possible step up the ladder in a pointless bureaucracy makes me crook to my stomach.
Nice guys maybe but utter , utter fuckwits all the same.
Now that Brodie Carr (the ex CEO of WSL and soon to be the most hated surfer in WA) is the new CEO of tourism WA I would be fucking worried, Kalbarri on the cards for sure 2020 and Margs delegated to QS which will still bring too much exposure and a heap of wanna be pro surfers to town (with a shorter time window rather than the usual 5 week takeover of the point being the only possible silver lining).
nicely done crg - onya
ding fixer who lives near Top shop?
thats for you Crg, asking about Steve.
Yes mate, that's him.
Hope all's well out on the point...going to be a touchy one to write about...good luck.
Hey crg - we're a little adrift from your second reply to me but just wanted to acknowledge it and say great comment. Certainly framed it differently for me and I think it relates to the greater story. Awareness and perspective are always important. Did remind me of my own good fortune and certainly some compassion for others story and reasons for why they act as they do. Cheers.
If I rode a blow up mat I would expect to be punished. And I would be honoured if Jody decided to use me as a surfcraft. Equality doesn't apply to surf mats nor boy bands.
Justin Timberlake riding a mat... at pumping Lennox...now that’s a massive ethical situation ...would you think Justin would get a wave to himself?
We watched the video of the altercation this morning. Just checking on a few legalities first, and if they clear we'll post it here.
whats your opinion after seeing the video , I have been contacted by the perpetrator , but would like more info before I talk to him.
Will you be able to post the video?
No, not publicly. The vid that I saw is inconclusive, you don't see the start nor the end, but it's enough to confirm that some sort of assault did happen.
There's no reason the vid I saw was cut short, someone will have the whole thing.
thanx Stu....looks like we will wait for the court case.
Excellent then we can all get some sleep.
Can you tell us what you saw and what you reckon?
the video won’t clear things up either way - it will give another limited perspective and people will interpret it however they do. eager to see it nonetheless
Your vid source could load it to liveleak or similiar if to risky for Swellnet ?
Question to the floor - with the obvious increase in crowds in many spots, are we seeing a behavioural sink established in surfing behaviour?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavioral_sink
Scary stuff
We are all apt to losing our cool when acts of stupidity/selfishness occur in the water. A healthier Buddhist attitude/outlook has got to prevail in dealing with and mitigating generally against more anti-social localism and aggression; yes, alright, some of you will scoff and say "Oh, fuck that" - but face the fact that any half reasonable surf breaks are only going to get considerably more crowded and tense in future.
The land of OZ is tracking for 99.7 million people by 2100 at 1.7% compound growth trenchantly supported by both major political parties - with the vast populace choking the coastal regions. Adaptation, managing one's temper and maintaining dignity will be vital. Desert nation overpopulation - an inconvenient truth.
Well they need to start building some quality artificial reefs in urban areas.... not wave pools either....that’s not the solution
Can I ask, who you think this 'they' is.
‘They’ are the powers that be....possibly ‘they ‘ could be the nsw government.... ‘they’ Could be the local council.... ‘they’ could also be some rich bloke who I do not know who love’s funding artificial reefs... ‘they’ could be anyone...first up the nsw central coast... why?? Cause I live there and it’s getting too crowded and I want to surf a new wave... ha...
I just read that a teachers aid (female) received no jail time for having sex with 5 of her students at an Armidale boys school. The boys were 15 to 18 years old.
Imagine if the situation was that it was a male teachers aid entertaining five girls that were students of his.
The scenario would have played out very differently in court I think.
All 5 at the same time?
Have a listen to the podcast called 'Teacher's Pet'. Really worth listening to. A very similar situation you're writing about above - Australian school, male teachers, female students. See how that has panned out. Not how you'd expect.
Thanks.Have done. There was a male teacher at same school who got done for sexual offences with boys and is now currently doing a seven year stretch. Some teachers at that school treated the students as sexual playthings.
Ok I am now. It's gobsmacking stuff
Respect is the heart of Aboriginal law.
I don't know what happened, but if the comments here are at all accurate I would think the defence straightforward and it rests on one question.
Does anyone, male or female, have the right to defend themselves when attacked?.
Most of the other opinion is almost irrelevant.
Attacked by words?
@Stunet
Attacked?
As I said, I don't know what happened, but from the comments, she may have jumped on him, or even thrown a punch. If this is true and if she initiated the fight it is an aggressive assault and he should be legally justified in protecting himself in ANY way a judge or jury can be convinced is reasonable in the circumstances.
I'm not taking sides....they both probably contributed to what happened.....but I also don't think gender, in any degree, should decide guilt.
This question is related to this article in theory but not specifically about the incident at lennox:
before i start, totally against violence in the surf and everywhere else in general. only instance where i would strike out is if i was defending myself or my family.
Just like everywhere else, there are more than a few famous fuckwit surfers around my area. Females are fairly represented in this group. Now i have no problem whatsoever having a word (not violence) with people if they are doing it maliciously but i've never pulled up any of the girls, i just don't feel comfortable doing it, not the way i was brought up. I only rarely see anyone saying anything to them and have always had a theory that because they are never being pulled up for their bad behaviour, it is compounding the problem by normalising it. So where is the line? If you are being mugged by a woman, can you punch her in the head as hard as you can? I'm totally against violence in the surf no matter who you are but this type of incident is going to pop up more frequently now with crowding and am genuinely interested in some opinions on the smartest way forward.
My experience surfing Lennox when it's good is that the women's place in the lineup is often ignored and they have to fight harder for their waves.
This obviously doesn't translate to all people ignoring them and to all spots on the coast.
Christ...theres some high profile people in the Surf industry commenting on this on social media....a threat or two made as well...
Care to point us in the right direction?
Try Beachgrit...
A comment on a facebook page from Matt Grainger -
I will personally Choke him out and Arm bar
not a good look for Manly Surf School .
Wow old Brutus is getting accused of some pretty nasty shit in the comments section of this story on beachgrit.
Bullshit, I haven't said anything!!!!? I've been too busy rolling around the floor pissing myself at goofballs antics. Again. In a nutshell.
Pissing yaself would be right you old fucker
Ps. Glad I’m on your mind big boy
Wow, Swellnet is providing a platform for a running commentary on this alleged incident after a man has been charged and the court case hasn't happened. That's brave.
Last time I checked there was still sub-judice contempt laws in this country.
Both the Daily Telegraph and Daily Mail, and at least one surf website, have named the offender and the defendant. The above story is from the ABC with no pictures of the offender nor names. Comments below the fold are incidental.
Naming the alleged offender is not the point, and I think you'll find the professional media organisations never open up forums when people have been charged and are awaiting trials. It's all about not interfering with the court process.
The "Comments below the fold are (NOT) incidental." It's trial by social media and that creates mayhem for the judicial system, prosecutors and police trying to do their jobs. It's also fantastic for defence barristers. But hey, you guys know better than media organisations with teams of lawyers advising what can, and what can't, be published.
If you'd read the thread you'd have seen we got legal advice.
Haven't you got a learner surf school to run?
Are you still running that Vic Local owns a surf school BS? FFS that is getting very old.
Here's a little light reading for you. I suggest you get a second opinion on your legal advice.
The five main areas where journalists are likely to run the risk of committing contempt are:
1. Publishing matter likely to prejudice a fair trial
From the time somebody is arrested, charged or a warrant is issued, up to the moment when the court finishes dealing with it, the case is said to be sub judice. This is a Latin phrase meaning "under judgment". While a case is sub judice, you are strictly limited as to what you can report.
You may only give details of what is happening officially within the legal process. In practice this means only information which is part of a charge or details which are part of actual court proceedings. You may also mention some details which are not likely to be contested in court.
Several kinds of reports while a case is sub judice may prejudice a fair trial. One has already been mentioned - publishing details of the defendant's previous convictions.
Another is broadcasting details of the background of the case. Whenever there is a big trial, reporters gather together details of the defendant's past life and other background information, ready to publish them at the end of the trial. Once the trial is over, and is no longer sub judice, then all this material can be reported. However, if any of it is published during the trial it may be held to prejudice a fair trial.
If there is no jury, then what is published or broadcast is not so likely to prejudice a fair trial, since the judge will be more able to ignore it. Nevertheless, even in trials without juries there are limits to what will be tolerated and care should be taken not to interfere with the proper course of justice.
Can't quite believe I'm getting into this....but *deep breath*....we've run an ABC article with no names mentioned. Since then many other publications have run the story with names of both parties and much more besides. The defendants name doesn't appear in our comments. The comments have taken the usual trajectory for a story of this nature, lots of unrelated anecdotes, lots of unfounded speculation. In other words, nothing out of the ordinary. Social media is not 'reporting' and it's taken into account in these matters - i.e the public can, and indeed will, have their opinions.
None of what you've posted applies to us.
Go find something else to whinge about. I'm sure you can find plenty.
I heard reports Bells was 4-6 and clean yesterday.
Surely not that big?
;)
Oh god...don't start him...please.
So you've pretty much ignored my copy and paste guidelines for avoiding sub-judice publishing. I'm tipping you never studied criminal or media law.
Your commenters are publishing highly prejudicial information about the alleged perpetrator and the alleged incident. It's no doubt being read by thousands of people in the area where the alleged crime was committed. Any lawyer worth half his salary would copy this page and use it in the defence. Well done Swellnet. Trial by social media does have consequences.
Jesus H, mate. I can point you to at least five Facebook threads that have garnered more comments, that name the perpertrator, and where real people are using their names (not online handles) to make threats of violence against him.
There are also the mainstream news sites that have named him, and their concomitant social media posts, plus a collection of surf sites also naming him, and their comments too.
Meanwhile, the only people that are named on this page are Johnny Boy Gomes, Steve the gut slider at the Pass who yells at people, and Brodie Carr for some reason. The defendant's particulars just ain't here.
.....but don't let that stop you from coming back, and coming back, and coming back with something or other.
The defendant "particulars" mean jack shit mate. How many other incidents of surf rage at Lennox Head, involving an airmat dude and a former female pro surfer, will be going to trial over the next few months? I think legal folks will be able to work out exactly who this post is about. There's no confusion. Your commenters have brought up his alleged criminal past and are openly commenting about the incident and potential evidence before it goes to court.
The legal and practical differences between random facebook posts and actually hosting a discussion on the alleged assault are massive.
Pointing to other people potentially prejudicing an upcoming trial doesn't mean you haven't done exactly the same.
"Your commenters have brought up his alleged criminal past..."
No they haven't.
I have a feeling you've mixed up the comments about the guy from the Pass with the assault at Lennox.
Not the first time you've fucked things up.
10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5.....
Yer know Tyler Durdan gonna post in minute too .....
So you studied and I presume qualified as a Lawyer after at least 5 years of University, can you inform us all on what you specialised in in Law, makes it easier for us uneducated people.
Viclocal
Never qualified as a lawyer but did complete a post graduate degree in a field where media law was constantly drilled into students. Worked in journalism for a bit too.
Opening up a forum (With no or very loose moderating) that allows punters to comment on an upcoming court case is just stupid. Especially when many of the punters are local to the court case and the web site is published in the same jurisdiction.
And the "others are doing it too" argument is never accepted as an excuse by the legal system.
"Opening up a forum (With no or very loose moderating) that allows punters to comment on an upcoming court case is just stupid. Especially when many of the punters are local to the court case and the web site is published in the same jurisdiction. And the "others are doing it too" argument is never accepted as an excuse by the legal system."
And where did I find these comments (and many, many more) about the perpetrator and the upcoming court case?
On the Richmond Police District Facebook page
Do you still think lawyers are coming after us when there is far worse commentary written by people using their real names on the local police force's own media?
Now go teach the pop up to corpo bankers...
"Do you still think lawyers are coming after us"
You'll probably get away with it. Not because you haven't done a stupid thing, but because Swellnet just isn't important enough.
Stop and think for just a little bit Stunet. Do you ever wonder why the big media players never open up forums for punters to comment on court cases? Maybe they don't want to prejudice a case and they definitely don't want contempt of court charges.
If only you had a bigger audience eh? Gotta go to work, and both you and I know that doesn't mean I work or own a surf school.
Here's a little light reading for you re a recent Sub-judice contempt of court case. https://journlaw.com/2017/02/21/lessons-for-us-all-in-300k-yahoo7-fine-…
Lucky you're not big like Yahoo7!!
On the surface you hate Swellnet.
Because you're captive to Swellnet.
And yet strangely, you care for Swellnet.
Because how else do you explain the three hours you've just spent trying to convince me of something that'll never happen?
Yeah, Stockholm Syndrome.
Even surf school teachers get it.
Arguing with you Stunet is like playing chess with a pigeon. You knock over the pieces, shit all over the board, and strut around like you've won.
Three hours? Mate, I can type a bit faster than that, and this post isn't about "something that will never happen". It's about pointing out your stupid behaviour. Thanks for providing ample examples to back up my point.
Three hours, ten minutes...
you're a legend in your own lunch box Vic local.....you had a valid point , but you lost me with your petty insults, seems to me you are more concerned with showing everyone how clever you are. Putting shit on people aint clever , its arrogance.
Give up Stu, he rides a Mat ;)
Hello, I just felt that it should be pointed out that this case will not be determined by a jury. Most of the contempt of court type situations arise where there is publication of information that the jury would not ordinarily hear, such as the defendant's criminal record. The case referred to above (in the link to the article) was a murder case where the trial miscarried as a result of the information published - its a totally different situation.
Whilst I'm here - the s.10 with a bond prediction is probably valid - there are many variables obviously - but the fact a Future Can was used versus arrest and bail is not really relevant to how the court will ultimately determine the case.
Thankyou for Swellnet, I am not paid up member but I really enjoy the articles especially about surfing history and surfboard design.
"thousands of people" ..
No offense swellnet but hahahhahhahahahahhhahahahahaaaaaaaa good one vico
None taken, though it is curious how people think they know our numbers without seeing the analytics.
Anyway, I refuse to answer abusive comments, except to say, who wouldn't be glad that to think that they are on my mind. Again. In a nutshell.
And speaking of court cases, even the judge and jury would piss themselves if they heard this defense.
'Yeah, I am luckily living a 1 minute drive to the beach so I’ve never based whether I went for a surf off what the photo looked like. I just go check..
But, I’ve got mates who live 30 minutes away so they don’t mind seeing a pic.'
Oh no, no no, my guts... NNNNOOOOOO!!!!! Not again... in a nutshell!!!!???
Hahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahah
Hilarious
In a nutshell
A female can defend herself anyway she wants even if results in severe injury
a male cannot defend himself in anyway against a female attack no matter
the circumstances. I saw this 1st hand with a good friend over 30 years ago.
It was disgusting. Just imagine this today.
Today as example a mother stabbed her son to death having a argument.
Out on non conditional bail. What a joke.
Your an ignorant fucktard
https://www.whiteribbon.org.au/understand-domestic-violence/facts-viole…
Whilst the propensity to violence by men against women is unequivocal, there is also numerous occasions that the reverse has happened so to call him a fuckard is also ignoring the truths, for example:
A coroner has ruled a mother killed her two daughters and then herself while in the midst of a catastrophic mental breakdown.
He also called on government, mental health authorities and the Family Court to work better together to avoid another similar tragedy.
Coroner Barry King ruled that Jane Cuzens, 12, and Jessica, 10, were murdered by their mother Heather Glendinning at their Port Denison home in 2011, before the 46-year-old killed herself with multiple stab wounds to various parts of her body.
It's all very heart breaking since we have had recent terrible horrific recent cases in WA involving family members, and yes they were men, murdering their families.
Joeyjojo
According to studies 1in 1 evosurfer is the victim of ignorant spelling and hypocritical abuse.
A guy I know restrained and sat on his wife till the police arrived.....to stop her from hacking him with the samurai sword she had taken off the wall.
The police arrested him and charged him with assault.
Ive heard that in some jurisdictions if a male reports abuse by a female the police are instructed to proceed on the assumption it is actually him that has committed the assault.
Since your link only gives stats on abuse on women you seem to think only an ignorant f@cktard would say it can go the other way.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/inquirer/domestic-violence-data-s…
My one and only surf at Lennox was in July when I had it completely to myself for an hour. Rather surreal. I thought maybe there'd been a shark sighted, but I think it was just dumb luck. In the end a dude on a mat paddles out. It wasn't the guy in question here. This bloke was super friendly and was more than happy to answer my queries regarding surf-mats. I don't think I'll ever bother surfing the place again, since I'd like to keep that memory of having it to myself untarnished.
'So you studied and I presume qualified as a Lawyer after at least 5 years of University, can you inform us all on what you specialised in in Law, makes it easier for us uneducated people.'
This is why swillnuts, simply, but elegantly love google, in a nutshell. There is no need to study or practice anything, when you are a championship level, swillnut googly. Often swillnuts start at beginner but expert levels, quickly advance to intermediate but expert level, which even more quickly becomes... championship swillnut level. Googlions can often swillnut bypass swillnut protocol, and simply swillnut themselves straight to championship googly level. 'Swillnuttus maximatosis'... common name... swillnut.
Swillnuts hate references, or any qualifications at all, with a positively stinkin' vengeance, which must have a scientificity about it!!!?? Swillnuts hate any sort of education and experience with a stinking, lousy, stinking although, again, scientificized but logicized vengeance!!!??? Swillnuts simply, but again, elegantly, profusely love dunces!!!! Swillnut dunces forever, justa expeeriencin' a googly lyfe, is the swillnut anthem!!??!
So, obviously, solving crimes is a simple, again, elegant pass time for championship next level swillnuts!!!!
In a nutshell... again... and again... and...
It all boils down to, 'ya can't beat a good ale, an' ya can't beat a good durry!!!' In a nutshell!!!
I have to go and train people... again...
And yet you refused to accept the scientific consensus on the limited benefits of eggs to health as proposed by the scientific community. I guess you’re just smarter than ......everyone.*
Fuck , I’m torn today. Fighting both sides of the same argument on different threads.
*Obviously very, very incorrect.
There certainly is some misinformation out there regarding eggs. Eggs are a nutrient dense whole food and a great source of protein. While they are avoided with a confirmed egg allergy diagnosis and intake limited for people with cardiovascular disease (6/wk), for everyone else they can be an everyday food.
I've struck a nerve... or actually, I've splattered a nerve!!! Magnificent example of 'Swillnuttus maximatosis'... common name... swillnut!!!!
Science did prove that eggs were exceptionally good for you even back then. As did those getting the very best results in the nutrition/sports and health and fitness fields. Especially in cases of extreme poor health, or those labelled by others, as non responders. You need to be passionately involved in the health and fitness industry, to know where to look and where to ask. And to understand the game that science plays. In the wild west's quest for profit at any cost. I acted on the evidence, and the incredible results, not the food industry war and science non science, that banned eggs, and duped the blowins. The idiots. So, I deliberately, sought out the truth, and in doing so, had much, much contact with the super experienced, super result achievers, who happily gave me all of the advice and information that I needed. Despite your blathering swillnutting... again. You would know who I was talking about, if, you weren't operating at championship swillnut level. So, seeing as you raise it, like it or lump it, here I am, in my 60's, pristine, unmarked, uninjured, raw boned, good lookin', 45 years plus experience, including training trainers, and those that train them, booked out, waiting list, in an industry that also has an alarmingly high and fast dropout rate, and one that churns through them like butter. An industry that you have zero, zilch, nada, experience or qualifications in. But here you are, 'Swillnuttus maximatosis'... common name... swillnut. Again In a nutshell.
However, while you are here, and considering the subject matter, this 'work' of yours, after you dropped in on a local, and the gushing 'work' of the posters, takes on a whole new meaning... in a nutshell. Again.
'Then the red mist came over me
It was the assumed resentment of the women that really got me.
The smug superiority of some small minded no- one cunt moll that set me off. I turned to face Loud Mouth in front of his cunting piece of shit friends and with every ounce of will ,energy and misdirected anger from every point of my life i drove my fist into that cunt's putrid face and punched him to the sand.
I was standing over Loud Mouth's form bellowing that he was an imposter king presiding over a weak, gay wave, raising my fist for another blow when i realised my hand was broken . Then i heard a lady screaming and i was back in my head, concious of what i'd done , aware of where i was.
Loud Mouth was not cowering , but all fight had left the man. He was submissive but i was not gracious. Thank fuck i did not have a gun cause if i did i would have shot the cunt. The only thing that stopped me from kicking him till he twitched was some chick throwing herself over his prostrate form.'
https://www.swellnet.com/forums/wax/12736
You fucking idiot. In a nutshell.
So the Bloke only recieved a Future Court Attendance notice
Didnt get arrested....?
I reckon your on the money Zen with the Section 10 / 12 mths be a good boy call.
Why would someone take over 10 days to report this Crime ?
Maybe it took that long to track down the person with the video or a witness? If you're not a local it could be difficult to find a witness prepared provide evidence or to know who took the video. Without a witness or video I imagine it would be hard to substantiate that an assault actually occurred.
udo without knowledge of the specifics of this incident, it behoves me to call a point of order regarding the whole "why wouldst thou delay reporting such a terrible infringement upon one's person?" rhetoric.
There are several factors at play. You say 'crime' like it is obvious that a line has been crossed however the general public are often clueless as to where courts draw these lines. eg Can you offer an explanation of the difference between 'Assault' and 'Aggravated Assault'?
Added to this are many layers of patriarchy which have time and again shown women that to speak up is to put yourself in the public stocks subject to ridicule and public shaming at a minimum with the added bonus of death and rape threats against you and anyone you friended on Facebook twenty years ago.
Not to mention the personal trauma at the heart of such an experience, it takes time for a person to process these things. "Did I deserve it? Did I do something wrong? Could I have fought back? If I had zigged instead of zagged at just the right moment maybe it would have been me choking him?" etc
Which leads to the obvious question, would you report this 'crime' if you were on the receiving end, udo?
Please don't take this personally it is all just chum for ocean loving chums
"Jodie gets dunked" morphs into sub judice and an egg fight. This is why I like to read these threads.
Every village has at least one idiot.
Torquay and Elliston aren't missing theirs.
Course ya here... again geek... Carry orn swillnuttin'!!!! Again, in a nutshell!!!
Just noticed of editing of comments, because???
Because of legalities. This is fresh territory and I don't want Swellnet to end up before the courts.
Perhaps some of it wasn't warranted but I'm erring on the side of caution.
Hope you understand...
For sure. All good.
Ballina courthouse - AVO day today for both parties..
Udo - You’re like the google alerts of surf news.
Cheers , mate.
Just read this thread in its entirety. Fascinating.
The abuse, the comedy, the rank hypocrisy.
Life's rich pageant.