What's what?
Forget Olive, ProMo loves Ashby right now.
Low hanging rotting fruit.
Westof - In that caption was that fella saying that if they had $20M they’d own the lower and upper Houses of Parliament?
Yep from what I remember that's exactly what he said.
[Edit]Or it was something very close, not exact,
[Edit again] Yep that's exactly what he said.
$2 mill for a couple of lower house seats and $20 mill for the lot (ie upper house as well)
It's on abc now on the 730 report
Edit: The actual documentary is on at 8pm
When the Betoota Advocate plays it straight, shit is too weird, man.
Allied to my previous historical post above.
https://www.betootaadvocate.com/entertainment/abbott-launches-new-pauli…
Note: the author of the book in question!
ABC How to sell a Massacre
(This is that One Nation Sting tbb spoke of...Part 1)
https://iview.abc.net.au/show/how-to-sell-a-massacre/series/0/video/ZW1…
or
Watch part 1 (right now) ABC...Qld (Time)
Watching that doco, can you imagine Australia relaxing gun laws and if there was then a resultant increase in mass shootings surely that would weaken the NRA's position in the states and make 'the Australia problem' even worse.
Better for them to stay away from it you'd think with the risk of increased shootings.
A note for Stu, the politico forum postings include posts on how to control your husband with black magic in Mumbai, Chennai, Delhi and there's also a bit of Sanskrit there - might want to review
Honestly I'm curious. (And hope my wife doesn't learn the technique)
Good call Westofthelake - 8:00 pm once again for Thursday Night (Part 2)
How to sell a Massacre (ABC - Part 1) link is above.......No spoiler!
Seedy follow up for VJ
Wives controlling their Husbands with Back Magic ...Too late penciled in a date!
Wives are still under the control of the Black Mambas. How first to break that spell?
Outrageous stuff. Shocking really, and depressing too, to realise there are people in power, even if aligned to questionable parties, that will sink to the lowest of swamp politics. Worse than treason is attempting to destroy our social fabric for political gain.
If it were any other political party the resignations would have already begun, but One Nation has a degree of teflon coating and their supporters will twist it whatever way they can to suit them. Manipulations by media, bastard elites etc etc.
EDIT: Just read comments on Bolt Report. Condensed version: It's a media set up. More power to Ashby and One Nation. Oh, and Al Jazeera pushes hostile muslim takeover of the west, and halal food too. Sigh....
And the most disgusting thing of all? Our PM still won't commit to putting them last preference on the Coalition ticket. It is an unfortunate reality that pathetic deluded shitheads like One Nation will always exist on the political fringes but for major parties to give them credibility is reprehensible. No surprises though given their racist track record.
Putting aside the developments of the last 24 hours, I can't believe that James Ashby is still in a position to undertake any kind of employment. His track record - especially in Parliament - is shocking.
Agree Ben. There are the dog whistlers and then there are the dogs.
And when the dogs come a-running, and jump up onto the bed with you, don't complain about the itching and scratching?
Let us cast our minds all the way back to 2017. WA state election.
Good ol' Barney Rubble.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/western-australia/barnett-sticks-by-one…
Of course now he has seen the light...apparently.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-21/one-nation-liberals-nationals-pr…
And talking about how some characters are even still in parliament, here's Arfur See-No-Donors.
Now:
"We will repudiate any party which stands for stuff that is outside the mainstream. And that includes the sorts of racism or Islamophobia that some parties, including One Nation, have been out there talking about."
Way back in 2017:
"The One Nation of today is a very different beast to what it was 20 years ago. They are a lot more sophisticated, they have clearly resonated with a lot of people. Our job is to treat them as any other party...
What I've noticed is the way the media treat One Nation today and Pauline Hanson is very different to 20 years ago when there was more of a concerted effort, including by the media, to campaign against her. The media have started to treat her with a bit more respect this time round. I find that quite interesting. They're taken more seriously because they've realised she's also changed the way she operates."
Then there was PM Malcolm versus the Beetrooter!
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/turnbull-joyce-at-odds-over-one-nation-pref…
"Malcolm Turnbull has defended the WA Liberal's decision to broker a preference deal with One Nation, saying Pauline Hanson's party had a wide range of policies and deserved to be dealt with "respectfully".
Previously Mal had said this?
“Pauline Hanson is, as far as we are concerned, not a welcome presence on the Australian political scene. You’ve got to remember she was chucked out of the Liberal Party.”
The great Liberal Party normalisation!
https://theconversation.com/one-nation-has-now-been-normalised-in-the-l…
Oh, and lest we forget!
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/tony-abbott-launches-p…
What a shit-show!
daley alp nsw leader booted for anti-asian comments, latham ex federal alp leader, (oh sorry, hes one nation now!) into parliament , institutionalised anti-semitism , no need for dog-whistling on the left! how do you spell hypocrisy?
Institutionalised anti-Semitism? Been reading too much Daily Mail (UK edition)? Again?
Daley 'booted' out?
And anyone that can't see Latham for the seriously damaged - as in a sad 'RU OK?', 'relevance deprivation syndrome' manner - clown he is, hasn't been paying attention.
Who you gonna trot out next? Richo? Joe Bullock?
Surprise! Dickheads abound, BUT outliers aren't policy makers.
Try harder, Lizard.
Read any David Icke?
I think an important part of the One Nation/NRA discussion is looking at what's already going on with other parties.
Fuckwit Ashby boasts about what he can do with $2 million, but keep in mind that Australian political parties are already receiving millions in donations from the gun lobby; Bob Katter and of course the Shooters Party score about $1.5 million between them.
One Nation are scum but the others should have the spotlight shone on them as well.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-27/australian-gun-lobby-as-well-org…
Wikipedia has a summary of Ashby's colourful past.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Ashby
For more comprehensive reading, check out Ashbygate.
Gun lobby is one thing, these guys tentacles stretch way further.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-26/one-nation-koch-industries-nra-w…
https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/global-warming/climate-deniers/koch-indu…
Remember the One Nation dude, Malcolm Roberts (who got ousted for NOT being a sovereign citizen, hence gifting us Fraser Anning!)?
Him and Bernardi's 'fact-finding' US tours?
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/planet-oz/2017/feb/07/how-cory-…
These minor party cranks are low-hanging, rotting fruit. Too easy to pick off.
The 'normalisation' as described above in that Grattan article is the real eye-opener.
Remember this?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-10-29/nsw-nationals-expel-white-suprem…
Yeah, nah. Nothing to see here.
Especially post-Christchurch.
One Nation on the front foot blaming Al Jazeera rather than accept blame for undermining Australian politics.
Good form. Consistent at least.
Good point andym. It's about lobby groups and the sway they have across the board. All parties!!
Having said that, one nation are totally delusional about what they could achieve with a bigger purse. Relaxing gun laws in oz has practically no public support at all. Some things are just bad investments, and 20 mil. in oz for this cause would achieve absolutely nothing. No change, not even minor.
I haven't seen the one nation attacking al jazeera bit yet. But I reckon it'd be a pretty fair question to ask as to why al jazeera - a middle east state owned media outlet - have invested 3 years and a load of cash into catching out two hillbilly's travelling the united states on a lost cause?
Something that everyone has always known money buys policy but this is really in your face buying a whole political party would love to see a shake of the Libs / Nats tree to see what falls out.
Poor Pauline surrounded by imbeciles and foreign government spies.
@Sypkan,
The investigation started as a way to infiltrate the NRA: how they operate behind close doors. Nothing to do with Australian politics, the investigation had already been going two years before Ashby and Dickson came along. They were just the two hapless idiots who led them to the quarry - the host viruses if you will.
The story grew along the way, as happens in these investigations, and the Christchurch massacre adds poignancy that noone could've prepared for.
Flicked onto Paul Murray Live late last night and they were talking about the Ashby/Dickson incident and almost choked on my Ovaltine when that Rita Panahi opened her mouth sprouting shit about how the ABC is so leftist teaming up with Al Jazeera blah blah blah.
But what made me choke even more was her comments about why we need the ABC anyway which costs taxpayers $ 1 billion per year when we have so much other variety on TV.
Variety my hairy bunghole!!! I'd like to know what she is watching that is mentally stimulating for your average educated adult Australian. If she ain't watching the ABC or SBS then the variety is severely limited dumbed down drivel which would probably appeal to her mentality and opinions anyway.
Ok fair enough, I'll take off my alfoil hat now...and re-don my scomo hurley hat...
But I would like to emphasise just how delusional one nation are, I reckon pretty much no sum of money would sway oz public opinion on this issue, and there's these two idiots calculating seats per $mil. Fucking morons. Delusional morons.
I really don't think it'll affect one nation votes though at all, their voters are all swinging between the shooters party, one nation, and the nationals. Who would all be pretty much be on the same page with guns..in private anyway...
Why would Al Jazeera target One Nation? Well maybe because they are Muslim and One Nation are rabidly anti-Muslim. Makes sense to me. They have no desire for us to breed up anymore like the Christchurch gunman and, unlike our own government, maybe they saw the potential for that kind of incident. More power to them for great work!
No, the target was the NRA. One Nation were secondary, just a by product of the investigation.
It's classic investigative journalism, and I guess, the response is classic too: accept no fault and shoot the messenger.
What's eye-opening is the inability of conservatives to credit a news company for the story. Their anti-ABC dogma inhibits them from placing the blame where it unquestionably lies.
What's also eye-opening is Fairfax's lightweight running of the story, which has huge political ramifications, yet because they didn't produce it they've taken a parochial line.
Everyone is aware that there actually is a global war occurring - West vs Islam aren’t they ?
It’s not just about the US seeking oil, political destabilisation and arms export dollars in the Middle East ....well , not anymore.
It’s going to take more than just social engineering and a politically correct media and political class to stem this tide.
Overt and clandestine ideological war + immigration of the members of one set of potential combatants to the home of the other = continued bloodshed.
Unpleasant reality. Prey that Indo doesn’t go down the rabbit hole or we’re fucked. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-21/operation-augury-australias-war-…
Sorry mate, that link is an ABC article. Leftist pap. Cant trust it.
"Everyone is aware that there actually is a global war occurring - West vs Islam aren’t they ?"
blowin, tell me...if someone in the west sold arms, say 110 billion dollars worth of arms, to radical islamists, like say the wahabists of saudia arabia, then they would be treasonous traitors, wouldn't they?
Yes.
What about our military fighting a war against Islam , would you call that Islamophobia ?
Because you’re paying for it.
Ah yes, The War Against Terror.
or T.W.A.T for all practical purposes.
"Everyone is aware that there actually is a global war occurring - West vs Islam aren’t they ?"
It's not West versus Islam, it's not Christians versus Islam.
Most attacks have happened outside of western countries often on non Christians.
It's Islam (being practised as its written) versus infidels (which can include muslims)
My Indonesian friend is muslim and has scars on her face from the Bali bombs as proof.
Facto is such a nose led moron that he still believes it’s all just made up bad man , naughty white politician stuff.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-14/indonesia-church-attacks-joko-wi…
BTW. The word Islamphobia most of time is misused, a phobia is an irrational fear, not a rational fear.
Correct use would be Irrational fear of islam: example giving two shits if the food is halal or not, or thinking Australia is under the threat of becoming under sharia law.
But fearing the negative effects of islam, say a bombing or changes in Indonesia from its influence is not irrational.
Facto - Nothing to say , so he tries to take the piss out of those with a thought on the matter. Same as it ever was.
It’s a shame that you aren’t equipped to discuss the matter of the genuine threat that Islam poses , Facto.
The lady in this photo took those two little girls and blew them selves up in a church in an attempt to kill as many non-Muslims as she could in Java. Whilst she did this , her husband took their two boys and blew themselves up in another church whilst also trying to kill as many non-Muslims as possible.
Just something to think about whilst you’re discussing” Islamophobia “ like it’s the fear of dragons , evil fairies or men from outer space.
And whilst you’re thinking about it , our military is doing their best to help kill all the Muslims who want to kill us in the Southern Philippines.
My point being ?
I personally am not afraid of Muslims , but I can see why some people would be. Thus I think it’s fair that they are able to be represented in our political system. The fact that our government is forced to deny the issue exists is understandable. But people should legitimately be able to question why Muslims are immigrating to this country when we are literally at war with their ideology.
The white supremacists such as Anning should be ridiculed and perhaps charged with inciting hatred if they do so . But the pendulum of discussion regarding the threat of Islam is threatening to go too far from recognising the reality of an ongoing conflict.
"But people should legitimately be able to question why Muslims are immigrating to this country when we are literally at war with their ideology."
This is where the irrational part kicks in.
Are 'we' at literal war with Islam? With an entire religion? What is this religion's 'ideology'?
Yours and Larry the burqa bumper's posts simply add to the irrational Islamophobia?
Why'd you vote for One Nation again?
FFS.
AGAIN.
"I personally am not afraid of Muslims , but I can see why some people would be."
Well you should tell those people their fear is irrational. Tell them that, in America at least, they're much more likely to die by the hands of a white extremist. Don't have Oz stats but I'd find it hard to believe that death by Muslim extremist somewhow skews the spread.
Irational fear has no place in politics. Why ashould we make room for it? There lies the way of demagogues.
OT: Shut down Muslim immigration and say goodbye to ever visiting Indonesia again.
I voted for ON as a protest vote as I’ve said many times. Nothing whatsoever to do with their stance on Islam. You’d understand that by now if you were ever going to , but you’re not smart enough for that and so be it.
Yes we are literally at war with Islam . Maybe you can find another term to describe when the professional military of a nation drops bombs and shoots bullets at avowed enemies who would kill us where we stand if given an opportunity ?
No , it’s obviously not every Muslim , but every one who wants us dead does so under the auspices of Islam .....so yes , we are at war with proponents of a religion. That is their uniting cause.
The religion’s ideology is that all infidels ( non - believers ) should be killed if possible. Failing that enslaved.
This is all public knowledge. You probably think you’re cute or clever with this line of questioning. Probably the best way to discover the answer is to buy a ticket to the Philippines- I think they’re pretty cheap, maybe a few hundred dollars - then make your way to the Southern Provinces and ask around till you’ve located the people in question.
I’m sure they’ll answer any questions you have such as :
“ You guys are just painted in a bad light by evil conservatives , eh ? Cause I’m a proud fan of diversity , but I still can’t quite come to terms with the fact that some people are so diverse that they’re not just like me . I thought diverse just meant funny hats or praying on your knees instead of with your hands . Maybe spicier food ? Are you positive that you’re not really just like me ? They’re only making it up that you would rather die than have me live , yeah ? “
If the fear is irrational, why do we allow refugees to come here when they claim persecution in their Islamic homelands ? Why are you referring to the present threat situation in Australia as though it’s an immutable circumstance ?
https://www.thereligionofpeace.com
Again ,,,,,,,I’m not against Muslim immigration. What I’m against is the demonisation of those who do have concerns about it.
I think the immigration aspect is the hardest part of the conversation.
Like it or not the more apples you bring in the more chance of having bad apples.
So how do you deal with that aspect?
No real easy answers.
"Having said that, one nation are totally delusional about what they could achieve with a bigger purse. Relaxing gun laws in oz has practically no public support at all. Some things are just bad investments, and 20 mil. in oz for this cause would achieve absolutely nothing. No change, not even minor."
100%
It's about the only thing everyone here agrees on and most Aussies, the lack of gun culture is a good things and strict gun laws.
Totally agree with the apples analogy. Also , as Stu referred , if you shut the borders you’re only stoking the fires amongst those that want to spread hate.
But you’ve got to wonder if the concept of inculcating Muslims into Western life as a foil to extremism is useful as it’s not an anti - Western ideology , but an anti - infidel ideology.
It’s a virtually impossible situation to treat fairly . On the whole I think Australia is going about it in generally the right way. I just think it’s shit the way people with fears which are genuine to them are treated as pariahs .
It certainly hasn’t worked in the NZ losers case has it ? You’d have to assume shame and ridicule won’t have any more of an effect of others who harbour these feelings.
If you think we are safe and our gun laws are strong. The Monthly remind us today we cannot assume it will stay that way.
"Exposing the evil of One Nation powerbrokers James Ashby and Steve Dickson, as the Al Jazeera documentary How to Sell a Massacre has done, may stop the comeback the party has been on since at least 2016. What it won’t stop is the rise and rise of the gun lobby in Australia, however, nor threats to the National Firearms Agreement (NFA), as the “Point Blank” report released by The Australia Institute today warns clearly. One of the most powerful parts of How to Sell a Massacre (part two of which airs on ABC TV tonight) was the interview with Port Arthur survivor Carolyn Loughton, whose daughter was shot in front of her, and who described the agreement brokered by former prime minister John Howard as “a very, very fine document, that all Australians are proud of, and [which] keeps us safe”.
Most Australians would wholeheartedly agree, and would be surprised to read in “Point Blank” that no state or territory has ever fully complied with it. It’s a testament to the power of the shooters’ vote, and if One Nation’s pro-gun advocacy falls over, there are plenty of political opportunists who are ready and eager to take their place.
In part one of How to Sell a Massacre, James Ashby tells undercover journalist Rodger Muller that if their attempt to raise up to $20 million from the US National Rifle Association “gets out, it’ll f*cking rock the boat”. Journalist and author George Megalogenis goes further, predicting that the revelations “may actually sink One Nation as a political force in Australia”. In today’s Australian, for example, one columnist describes it as an “existential crisis” [$] for the party and former senator Rod Culleton muses [$]: “No more wheels left on the cart. She’s upside down in a ditch and on fire!”
If One Nation’s primary vote collapses due to a public backlash, as all sides hope, then preference flows will matter that much less. It is a dilemma for the Coalition, which on the one hand needs the preference flows of One Nation, but which faces Labor being helped by the right-wing vote being split. Under pressure from the Nationals, the prime minister is today determinedly dodging calls from inside his own party to follow Labor and put One Nation last. For her part, Pauline Hanson has today tweeted that she was “shocked” and “disgusted” by the Al Jazeera “hit piece”, which she has referred to ASIO. Good luck with that.
NSW Labor has today moved to ban donations from the firearms industry, but one of the interesting points made in the “Point Blank” report is that political donations are only a small part of the spending of the gun lobby. The report compares gun-lobby spending per capita here and in the United States, and finds it is about the same – which headlined the ABC’s report on it today.
So, the Shooting Industry Foundation of Australia (SIFA) spends more than $30,000 per head on political campaigns, but just $2500 on donations, while the NRA spends more than $28,000 and $2500 respectively. As an example, as I reported in The Saturday Paper, in the recent Victorian election the SIFA spent $165,000 on the “Not Happy Dan” campaign, but only donated $14,000 to the Shooters, Fishers and Farmers Party, whose candidate, former senator Ricky Muir, was unsuccessful. “Point Blank” finds that SIFA’s very expensive “Flick ’em” campaign in the last Queensland election also failed in its objectives. Banning political donations? The gun lobby might be grateful. SIFA did not spend a cent campaigning ahead of last weekend’s NSW election.
The two parties that have received the bulk of the $1.7 million in political donations from the gun lobby in the seven years since 2011–12 are Katter’s Australian Party (more than $800,000) and the Shooters, Farmers and Fisher Party (just under $700,000). NSW Shooters party leader Robert Borsak told me last week that his party’s policy had changed since 2017, to include a statement that it did not support US-style gun laws. “Our policy has never been to make self-loading firearms more readily available,” he said. “Think about it, why would we want that to happen here? Why would that be in the enlightened self-interest of shooters, licenced firearms owners in Australia? It’s ridiculous to even contemplate it.”
Except, the Shooters do want Australians to have a right to shoot in self-defence in their own homes. “That would absolutely gut the National Firearms Agreement,” gun control advocate Rebecca Peters told Radio National last week. “A fundamental part of it is that defending yourself – a civilian turning into a vigilante or playing police – is not acceptable. It wasn’t acceptable before the National Firearms Agreement, but the National Firearms Agreement stablished it very clearly. That’s actually the major difference between the United States and the vast majority of other developed countries. Other countries do not accept that a civilian should have a gun for the purpose of killing another civilian.”
It’s the unravelling of the NFA that Australians need to worry about. As one NRA flack said in last night’s documentary, the gun lobby’s tactics in the wake of a massacre are “offence, offence, offence”. Those tactics have been effective here, and resulted in a steady erosion of the NFA, which cannot be taken for granted. The price of Australia’s freedom from massacres is eternal vigilance."
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