FIN KNOWLEDGE
mc what did u say there ? s s sides ? im going to get the quads now i know theres quads in c drive . what a great review theyre getting .
All out of quads caml. Emailed them the other day.
"Sorry all out of quads. Hope to have some later in the year just keep an eye on the website or join us on Instagram."
Cheers
Troy
https://thewoodbuddha.blogspot.com.au/2015/07/cast-resin-elliptical-fins…
They were pretty responsive with no lack of drive, keen to test in some more variety but not so sceptical.
Cut away on the base to remove board to fin base drag...
And roy stuart approves . I guess cheyne horan too . Those foils could use a 18 sec period to put them to a test of drag
They are Woodbuddha fins actually, to be accurate they are an elliptical spitfire design with NAC foil, open sourced...
Knock your socks off if you wish to copy or experiment, I doubt Cheyne or FCS/Futures will be shaking in their collective boots.
Rainbow fins have some amazing fins in their range . Worth checking out if your into F1 foils
udo wrote:
Wingnut, have you tried C - Drive fins , I know you play around with toe and cant angles and wondering with the c cutout in the CDrives you changed angles,toe /cluster position.
No mate. Not used C-Drive fins.
As an aside, I think I posted this on here somewhere once before:
https://finsciences.com/surfboard-fin-science/
Worth a read. Some science to fins - who'd a thought, hey?
mothart wrote:
Why glass-ins WN, why not? Do you think they are inferior?
2 out of the last 3 boards I've have for the point near where I live have had glass-ins, they have felt smooth & held in, & there is no second guessing if you change fins, the board is either going to go or not go, no fucking around trying to tweak stuff. It's the type of wave you don't want to second guess yourself or your equipment.
Mate, in short, yes, I do think glass in fins are inferior. Simple reason - the worlds best no longer surf them. If glass in fins were still top dog, the professional ranks who want an edge over the next surfer in the next heat, will be using them.
For the average joe, fins mean your $x spend on a board gives better value - more fin options, more performance range.
What glass in fins have you been riding? How do they compare to removable fins you've used ... a lot of the feeling you think is the glass in fixture could simply be in the fin template and profile, so nothing to do with the attachment to the board.
Having said all that ... each to their own. Good luck with your journey. Hope it works for you.
Story in -News Mail on Nev Evans / artist Anthony Taylor
A pic of a board with some bizarre looking fins , anyone know anything about these fins ?
wingnut2443 wrote:
Why glass-ins WN, why not? Do you think they are inferior?2 out of the last 3 boards I've have for the point near where I live have had glass-ins, they have felt smooth & held in, & there is no second guessing if you change fins, the board is either going to go or not go, no fucking around trying to tweak stuff. It's the type of wave you don't want to second guess yourself or your equipment.
Mate, in short, yes, I do think glass in fins are inferior. Simple reason - the worlds best no longer surf them. If glass in fins were still top dog, the professional ranks who want an edge over the next surfer in the next heat, will be using them.
Their fin sponsors would love that I'm sure.
The most efficient fin connection is neither, actually... glass on fins have a fillet which is much bigger in radius than the optimum. Box fins have none which is also less than ideal.
Research has shown that the optimal fillet size is a 2 to 5mm radius.
This sort of thing can't be decided by sociological means, it's physics.
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Roy what do you think of Powerbase fins ?
Ecofin have a kickstarter campaign aiming to recycle Bali's plastic waste and turn it into fins.
[quote=Roy Stuart
This sort of thing can't be decided by sociological means, it's physics.
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Just like climate change. Crawl back in your hole Roy
blindboy wrote:
Just like climate change. Crawl back in your hole Roy
Someone screwed you in a bit too tightly Mac.
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udo wrote:
Roy what do you think of Powerbase fins ?
Ecofin have a kickstarter campaign aiming to recycle Bali's plastic waste and turn it into fins.
There's not enough info on the site and the pictures are so small it's hard to tell what the Powerbase are about Udo.
Recycling sounds cool. A while ago Kevin Cunningham from Spirare surfboards raised a bunch of money on the basis that he was going to make surfboards and fins entirely from ocean rubbish. All he wound up doing was making a few glass and resin fins with bits of junk embalmed in the resin. Probably got a PhD for it since that's how it works in the States.
Power base, plastic or ceramic materials will always be gimmicky until the material used to ake them has good flex properties .
Tom Curren and Mason Ho experimenting with fin extensions on a MR twinnie ?
MR instagram
Anyone using knubster / stabilizer fins? Curious how'd they go with quads
My current fins are fcs Mayhem tri/quad, mainly using as quads day to day
used a stabaliser a five times in various quad set ups,
didnt like the feeling at all , seemed to create drag , but thats just a feeling that i cant quite specify
Which type of stabilizer were you using?
niggly wrote:
used a stabaliser a five times in various quad set ups,
didnt like the feeling at all , seemed to create drag , but thats just a feeling that i cant quite specify
fcs nubster.
theres a bunch of crew on here whom use different stabalisers
roy builds a stabaliser that looks great - cant remember which thread its in
i got the nubster given too me, and just didn't click for me on the surfs i have taken it out in .
IF you aren't getting enough drive or ya spinning out then use one . Otherwise there's no need for it . I have fixed a few boards that needed the help of one becos my rear quads were too far forward . Or too far apart . Or a fcs finned board that my ab shapers fins were a bit too small . ( they were tow fins for widowmaker side fins ) I have recently used the futures middle finger 1 & mf2 . Roy stuarts are by far the best ones that I've seen
Hows these fins I saw called s-wings from france ( koalition fin co ). Funny because I recently saw fins by rainbow fins called speed wings . Udo knows about it with MR & curren & ho . I like the idea of the tips on all these models .
Looking for extra drive from quads that are bit small. I'll check out Roy's fins, cheers
caml wrote:
IF you aren't getting enough drive or ya spinning out then use one . Otherwise there's no need for it . I have fixed a few boards that needed the help of one becos my rear quads were too far forward . Or too far apart . Or a fcs finned board that my ab shapers fins were a bit too small . ( they were tow fins for widowmaker side fins ) I have recently used the futures middle finger 1 & mf2 . Roy stuarts are by far the best ones that I've seen
Ok, cheers niggly
niggly wrote:
fcs nubster.
theres a bunch of crew on here whom use different stabalisers
roy builds a stabaliser that looks great - cant remember which thread its in
i got the nubster given too me, and just didn't click for me on the surfs i have taken it out in .
ATT:Troy Clutton C-Drive fins
updates re Quad C-drive sets
and Futures C-drive sets........when are they coming ?
TXT reply from Troy..
lots of people wanting them I hope to have them by the end of the year BUT no guarantees.
Fcs 2 ? Yeah that's how the board was I had no choice cos its a stock rack board . But the cdrives fit so thats what is going on
OK, noticed only 1 grub screw per side - not 2 on one side.
Some minor fine tuning and you can lose that gap at the back of the fins and have them sit flush with the bottom.
Yeah there's only one grub per side ( 2 total but one on each side ) is that normal ?
Yes it seems to be for FCS 2 boxes........just check your fins where the outer grub screw is.....where the grub screw has touched the fin it will leave a small mark........you should probably drill a small indentation there to make the fin more secure ? be a shame to lose a fin or two in quaddy set up.....Troy doesent seem to be able to supply them ?
Does anyone have a contact for a CNC machine in Aust...Troy needs to get these quad sets and futures compatible machined quicker and out to the marketplace .
Udo maybe they make the cdrive ?
The fcs 2 boxes with the old fcs fins certainly don't work so good for the board pictured above .
How did they ever allow surfboards to take such a backwards step from glass in to this 20 yrs of crappy lightweight disposable suspension
Caml. I don't think they make them for Troy ? The template seems to be a slightly different shape....but very close to the C-drive patent
Maybe Stu knows who makes them for C-Drive .
C drive insty has a few various shapes that most certainly are similar to them
I wish C Drive would bring out their fins in single tab.... itching and been waiting ages to try them.
udo wrote:
Single tab fins.....as in Futures ?
Yep ... futures. Hopefully they make some soon
Promised 6mths ago.......I don't understand its not that hard.
There was mention of investment $$$ needed ?
ahh well good things (hopefully like em after the build up) come to those who wait eh
I've been trying to find a future nubster up here in surf shops for ages, drove around yesterday to no avail.
So this morning I shaped a fin using the centre VEA450 Vector11.
First ever time shaping a fin, but this thread gave me inspiration, a jig saw at hand, a Makita sanding machine and a few hours of hand sanding.
Not sure what it will be like but I wanted to try having a small central fin in my wide little quad, just to give some direction!
It might be to high IMO????? Thoughts.
The fin is called the "Future Nubby Well Drive".......!
First attempt fellas.,
So don't laugh, I don't really like the inside foil line but will give it a go haha.
Thanks for all your input and help;)
Hi All ,
after a bit of your vast wisdom here , got myself a tiny 5'8 fish for small mushy waves , in 78 kgs and currently have fcs g'3 s in it but find them to lack drive and speed anyone have any suggestions on what would be more suitable fins for speed / drive in small waves , old school fcs plugs in the board tri fin .
help would be greatly appreciated .
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