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Geez, where's that leave you then cobba? Difficult to sink much further, really backing yourself into a corner.
"Personally my view is that non-indigenous people should stay out of the debate unless they have something beyond snide one upmanship to contribute."
Agreed & well said BB.
"Burp not blip"
Cheers GS. Thanks for making the effort :-)
"Info, my resurch tells me Price isn’t a politician nor a leader nor a member of a political party nor does she represent an electorate. She is a Councillor with the City of Alice Springs (1of 5 the others all male). Been to the Alice info? Big in your face problems there info so I get Price’s agenda as a local councillor, good luck to her I wish her well in improving things in the Alice, but she’s vocal on the national stage too I read and that’s why she gets a gig on Fox, now who would have thunked that? Has strong views on Australia Day and all ... darling of the right I read"
Missed this one
Last year she ran for election in Lingiari NT with the country liberal party https://www.abc.net.au/news/elections/federal/2019/guide/ling
She was councillor before that, but believe last year she took a break from her 4 year term to focus on her political aspirations, what is she is doing now?, im not sure, maybe she has returned to council?.
BTW. More nightmare of the left than darling of the right, an indigenous women that calls out cliche leftist BS around ingenious issues and tells it how it really is instead.
And Sweetie is immeasurably more bigotted than Pauline...prove me wrong.
Right (with a capital R)?
Yes, Info, via the white voting NT public's fave grifter Pricey, is really across the "ingenious issues"!
We can all see that!
Info says “..... the left and media and countless others have tried to bring her down ....” well actually it was Howard and especially Abbott who pursued her to the point where she did time in the big house .... fuck info fact check yourself will ya
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp.smh.com.au/politics/federal/pauline…
Far from telling it how it is Indo, Price frames these issues from a right wing perspective. While she correctly identifies many issues, her ideology (which takes prime position above all else) will not allow her to accept or acknowledge the ongoing deleterious effects of colonisation and lingering racism.
She puts the cart before the horse and instead of actually looking at the issues she massages them to suit her ideology and make them palatable for a right wing audience. To do this she absolves the 'white man' (what ever you choose that term to mean) of any responsibility and pushes all the blame onto the indigenous people. This allows two very important things: no acceptance of acknowledgement of fault and for some good old finger pointing.
We can see this manifest in your delight at her, which centres not around her addressing these issues, but, in your own words:
"More nightmare of the left than darling of the right, an indigenous women that calls out cliche leftist BS around ingenious issues and tells it how it really is instead."
And rather unwittingly, you've identified her main appeal, the reason she gets the coverage she does in your chosen media outlets and from the right wing parties.
"nightmare of the left"
Which only further reinforces what she has been up against and the battler she is. most people would have given up at the first hurdle, just look at Peter Garret, didn't last very long chewed up and spat out.
I also didn't mention those within her own party that have worked against her.
BTW. "countless others" covers anyone else i might have forgotten.
What tripe JQ (Id go into more depth, but got the footy to watch, but basically the opposite of what you are saying)
The bottomless pit of Presidential elections!
https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2020/10/08/our-most-vulnerable-electio…
ID opinions like Prices ran Australian policy for indigenous for a very long time before you were born. question is how did that end up?
Hint, cluster fu(k.
I focus More complete tripe Jacinta's views, people like Anthony dillion's views (views i share) are nothing like views of the past you obviously have NFI what their views are or my views.
Anyway good interview related to the topic with four different Indigenous Australians https://www.facebook.com/nyunggai/videos/896445357513696
Hahahahahahahahahaha.
Actually, the joke isn't funny anymore.
Info, you should start your own "ingenious" thread, champ.
Nah, really.
You've done your own thread thing before.
https://www.swellnet.com/comment/678602
Ya never know your luck...
Back on track, has anyone ever watched the series VEEP? I've been binge-watching of late.
Funny but horrendous. How close to the bone is it, I wonder?
Actually, remember when Turnbull's version of the Libs used one of the show's slogans??
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-03-23/continuity-with-change-veep-crea…
Too close to the bone, indeed!
Been meaning to watch that Facto.
Really enjoyed the first couple of seasons of House Of Cards, until Trump started, well, trumping their plot lines.
Haha. Too true, Ben.
I thought the last series of Rake suffered mainly because it couldn't out-wacky the reality here in Canberra!
Re: VEEP, the characters are gold. All of them. For mine, 'Jonad' and Richard Splett especially. Well, for now anyway.
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One for the readers.
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/wxqavn/gangsters-and-golden-showers-…
Yuge implications a-plenty.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/09/19/daily-202-nine-impli…
From the Sons & Daughters of Liberty:
"So you can brace yourself properly and not waste time on doomed wishful thinking, there is no scenario where Trump doesn't get to fill this vacancy. Not one. The GOP has a few options available, we will run through them from most to least-likely.
1) McConnell will begin the vetting process for Trump's nominee, but will not schedule the vote until after the election happens (but before inauguration).
There are a number of reasons for this:
- It immediately throws Trump the one lifeline that could plausibly save him. The peculiarity of SCotUS appointments is not going to be clear to many people, so a message of "YOU MUST RE-ELECT ME SO WE CAN FILL THIS VACANCY WITH A 35 YEAR OLD MISOGYNISTIC FASCIST THEOCRAT" will seem credible, which absolutely worked for him in 2016.
- It protects the five or six Republican Senators at risk of losing their seats from having to make the choice between opposing a Trump nominee, thus angering their base and further pissing off moderates by breaking "The McConnell Rule" and voting for a SCotUS nominee in the year prior to an election.
- They don't need to VOTE prior to the election to install their chosen MAGA CHUD on the Supreme Court. If Biden wins, they will vote in the Lame Duck window between the election and the inauguration.
2) McConnell will begin the vetting process for Trump's nominee and let it run for a long time, but will not schedule the vote until after the inauguration happens.
If Trump wins and they hold the Senate, they could potentially wait until after the inauguration to try and buttress the idea that McConnell was "fair" about the process both now and in 2016.
3) McConnell DOES push for a vote ahead of November. There's really only one reason for this, and it's kind of a 9th Dimensional Chess gambit:
McConnell plans to offer up a sacrificial nominee for imperiled purple state Senators to BOLDLY OPPOSE, thus allowing the Susan Collinses of the world to shake off the baggage that carrying water for Trump for four years has saddled them with.
This is risky and requires McConnell to care enough about saving the Senate that he'd be willing to strip Trump of the aforementioned advantage of having an open SCotUS seat in the front of every reactionary mind in the country. Which is PLAUSIBLE, but unlikely."
Something to hide, Donald? Why?
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/world/us-news/trump-news/2020/09/28/don…
Oh, hang on...
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/world/us-news/trump-news/2020/09/28/don…
Yeah, yeah!
...another big bunch of fizzer from 'the resistance'
absolutely nothing surprising or even barely damning from four years of waiting (sounds rather familiar...)
no promised russian debt kompramat
no big scandal, no massive rort, no nothing, just another cunt of a businessman...
but the usual suspects are hyping, and hyperventilating...
again...
about another big nothingburger
again...
but do carry on
Politics is in such a bizarre place. In 2016 and 2017, DT roused an army against Obama based on a patently false birther campaign, while also telling people he'd release his tax details if he got into power.
Well he did get in and he didn't release them - the first president in modern history not to do so.
Now if the NYT findings are true, we know why he didn't release them, yet people are bizarrely brushing it off as if it's not important.
Wow blowin. Do you and sypkan genuinely think there’s nothing to see re trump? Because that’s what it looks like.
If that’s the case, it’s a staggering display of wilful ignorance.
Are you joking?
EDIT: You may be invested in Trump, but you're not silly, so surely you can see how if the person with the most important job in the US, the leader, the person who occupies the position of 'our bigger selves', is rorting the system, then maybe it's not a good look. You know, considering how the whole idea of nation states is contingent upon the 'pay your taxes' deal.
Even if it winds up not being true, I find the response from his blind defenders - people who know he lies but believe everything he says anyway - to be, as I said, bizarre.
On the scale of badness what is worse a cockwomble president paying $750 in tax or our LNP government spending billions of taxpayers money in pork barrelling using colour coded spreadsheets?
Both are rotten but I’d much prefer that our government was squeaky clean.
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2020/09/28/michael-pascoe-community-dev…
Blowin and slypery...a couple of foot soldiers in the war on reality. Nothing to see here? Nothing except his fundamental vulnerability to anyone who is holding the half a billion dollars in personal loans that are coming due. Oh and his fundamental dishonesty and incompetence as a business man.
@GS,
To be clear, I'm more taken by how far politics has strayed from truth seeking, and how far it's now driven by the irrationality of emotion. You could argue it's always been that way, and to a degree you'd be right, yet there was always a modicum of truth. Leaders fell for transgressions far less than anything DT has done.
Now you have Trump lying about everything, and people know he lies, but they don't care because he delivers something to them at gut level.
Their country is going down the gurgler, meanwhile Trump is offering up a lesson in persuasion beyond reason. Just hope our leaders don't also follow suit.
The ideas developed during the Enlightenment drove scientific and political progress over the next several centuries. The question today is whether that continues to be true. Since the 1980s there has been a steady rise in irrationalism and ideologically driven thinking that mirrors pre-enlightenment thought. This has reached a point at which the leader of the country, whose very founding document was based on the ideas of the Enlightenment, embodies its antithesis.
It began with efforts to scientifically justify creationism, moved on to denying the science linking cigarettes and cancer, and then to the use of the same techniques to attack climate science. It has now undermined rational thought to the point that those sources most likely to be accurate on critical issues are amongst the least trusted. 5G and COVID, Qanon, the anti-vaxxers, chemtrails. The nonsense is endless and increasing. Such movements were also common in pre-enlightenment times. They thrive on ignorance, superstition and the steadfast refusal to recognise reality. The New Dark Ages? Well history is full of surprises. It can't be ruled out.
Good point Stu, truth in government, ministerial responsibility and being careful with taxpayers money. Now old fashioned concepts that get instantly dismissed with some meaningless gibberish.
Question: how many LNP ministers would have resigned since Abbott was elected had traditional standards of truth in government and ministerial responsibility upheld? It would be a long list.
But try discussing such concepts today and people either look at you as if you have two heads or it’s quickly dismissed in a statement like “they all do it, they are all rotten””.
It was once much better
I truly don’t understand what the fuss is about . Please show me a single person who actually believed that Donald Trump wouldn’t do everything within his power to minimise his levels of taxation.
Are you people surprised at the big revelation ?
I think it’s just the tax files of a scumbag businessman. At least you know what you’re getting with Trump. Let’s see how Biden or a Clinton or even Obama turn out if they were exposed to the same degree of forensic dirt digging that Trump is exposed to by the NYT and Washington Post.
As there is always a comment, regards our usual suspects on here, with Donald, well...
#ThereIsAlwaysATweet
Donald Trump has not even accepted his salary whilst he’s been President.
Obama took the lot ......and then he threw a few $$$$$$$ Goldman Sachs $$$$ speeches on top - such a man of the people !
Wasn't Obama African or something? In Africa, offerings to your gods can either be in gold, frankincense, or myrhh, or you can of course sacrifice a child. As is the Democrats wont.
But you already knew that, OTF.
The truth is out there.
#Pizzagate.
The truth is in the last comment I posted. You chose to ignore it and instead talk dung about Africa.
Federal Taxes paid, first year in office:
Reagan $165.2k
HW Bush $101.4k
Clinton $62.3k
Bush $250.2k
Obama $1.8m
Trump $750.
Good to have Blowin back.
"...instead talk dung about Africa."
I think that was your man Donald, actually.
Stu, I don’t really care.
No one ever said Trump was eloquent, a paragon of pure truth or that he wasn’t a scumbag business man.
Trump may be all about greed and business but he claimed to reject the globalisation which has destroyed the standards of living of many , many Americans whilst everyone else*- Republican or Democrat - studiously avoided the issue so as to perpetuate the status quo.
This is why people voted for him and nothing has changed in this regard. Tax returns have zero bearing on why people did and will vote for Trump.
* Bernie Sanders was also against globalisation and as a result the Democrats ensured he would never be eligible to be in the running for President.
Donald ain’t my man.
More along the lines of “ The enemy of mine enemy is my friend “.
"I don’t really follow much of what goes on in America, Stu . I aren’t familiar with who anyone is in their political arena so it doesn’t interest me. I think I’ve heard Trump speak about three times."
"A substantial part of why I rally for Trump is because of the MSM and the fake left retards telling people who they can and can’t vote for and what they can and can’t think ."
Piss off back to crapping on about shark love, weed, locals, yourself.
Your bloviatin' 'dead cats' are a waste of time and space.
#ThereIsAlwaysAComment
OTF. CD. IMHO.
(cue Seppy the fluffer)
And there has never been a more perfect example of the Fake Left retard than yourself, Comrade Queef.
You follow politics religiously and you’re still wrong about virtually anything you put your mind to . Big round of applause for trying though.
You might be right, I have feeling he'll get in no matter what, but it'll be at a cost. It's not naive to think politicians should be 'our better selves'. Openly rorting the system that underpins the nation's fundamental structure is dangerous territory; it's tossing the last shred of public trust away and giving license to every citizen to do the same.
Should they follow his lead, America will have far greater problems than globalisation to contend with.
Trump claiming his failed businesses against tax into eternity
Vs
Obama paying some tax on his salary whilst trying to sell his country down the river with the TPP .
Which is worse ?
Hey - I don’t disagree with you regarding leadership needing to set an example but I think that’s almost unimaginable in the modern political era.
Even Anthony “ Empty Chair “ Albanese - has three investment properties. What’s that say about his commitment towards achieving affordable housing for young Australians by reducing house prices ? EVERYTHING . At least Trump succeeded or failed with money of his own volition , Albotross has somehow acquired 5 houses in the most expensive real estate market in the world despite having never done anything more productive than suck ‘n ‘ swallow his snout into the ALP money trough .
Your taxes pay for our tubby and perpetually useless in opposition leader to negatively gear his property portfolio. How’s that for leading by example !
Septic Tanks are going to Septic Tank