Botany Nerds Ahoy

seeds started the topic in Saturday, 29 Jul 2023 at 01:40 pm

Seems a keen interest for some, so why not.

blackers Sunday, 9 Nov 2025 at 04:22 pm new

I did wonder why the Gould League booklets we got at primary school had ads for #8 pellets at the back. Now it all makes sense. More seriously, I know many who would do the same but not to paint it.
Thanks for the info on Affinity, will have a look. The currawong posed nicely, even turned to show its best side.
A red rumped parrot from earlier today whilst walking the dog. The phone doing its best.
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AlfredWallace Sunday, 9 Nov 2025 at 06:56 pm new

blackers wrote:

Some birdies seen on a recent sojourn. BTW love your liverworts AW.

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Blackers. Nice snaps mate.
Pied Currawongs . Eastern seaboard and southern Victoria.

Grey Currawongs, mostly southern Australia

Black Currawongs. Tasmania and Bass Strait islands, chiefly King and Flinders.

Nest raiding killers.

European Goldfinch ( Carduelis carduelis) , prolific from Spring onwards

European Greenfinch (Chloris chloris) , another one on the list of bird/plants or plant/birds. See, Chloris is the genus of a particular native grass, namely, Windmill Grass and also the genus for European Goldfinch.

A scientific fuck up, because no scientific name is meant to be shared by two different biological organisms.

Another one is Australasian Gannet (Morus serrator), but the same genus has been applied to Mulberries, Morus alba. I’ve got heaps of examples. Not good. AW

lucky-al Sunday, 9 Nov 2025 at 07:29 pm new

Carduelis carduelis and Chloris chloris in John MacKinnon's Guide to the Birds of China here, fellows (ripper of a book by the way, beautiful illustrations):

https://i.ibb.co/W4DX8gPm/Weixin-Image-20251109160622-100-14.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/s9yX9mv7/Weixin-Image-20251109160626-101-14.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/DBxygys/Weixin-Image-20251109160628-102-14.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/QjXbhKYb/Weixin-Image-20251109160632-104-14.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/SX9sS0NW/Weixin-Image-20251109160630-103-14.jpg

AlfredWallace Sunday, 9 Nov 2025 at 07:40 pm new

lucky-al wrote:

Carduelis carduelis and Chloris chloris in John MacKinnon's Guide to the Birds of China here, fellows (ripper of a book by the way, beautiful illustrations):

https://i.ibb.co/W4DX8gPm/Weixin-Image-20251109160622-100-14.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/s9yX9mv7/Weixin-Image-20251109160626-101-14.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/DBxygys/Weixin-Image-20251109160628-102-14.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/QjXbhKYb/Weixin-Image-20251109160632-104-14.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/SX9sS0NW/Weixin-Image-20251109160630-103-14.jpg

Lucky-al. Hi mate

Pretty cosmopolitan these days, both species.
I had them as aviary birds in the early 70’s along with a heap of other species of finches, I learnt a lot just by observing them for hours , it was fascinating. Good stuff. AW

Edit. If you get the chance, get your eyes on the new Collins Birds of the World book, it contains every species to date, it was gifted to me last year by a friend/client as a thank you for building an entirely new kitchen from scratch. It’s a beautiful book to peruse.

lucky-al Sunday, 9 Nov 2025 at 07:38 pm new

Whoops, got one wrong. Here's the Chloris chloris illustration:

https://i.ibb.co/xtQx2QyQ/Weixin-Image-20251109163420-127-14.jpg

lucky-al Sunday, 9 Nov 2025 at 07:44 pm new

Cheers AlfredWallace, I've just started to really appreciate birds and bird books in the last few years. Will look out for that one.

lucky-al Sunday, 9 Nov 2025 at 07:45 pm new

Sorry about the orientation of some of those images, couldn't work out how to make them right. Getting more and more like my dad.

lucky-al Sunday, 9 Nov 2025 at 07:50 pm new

Beijing's ginkgo trees have been a sight to see these past few days:

https://i.ibb.co/ynkBxGvv/Weixin-Image-20251109160808-122-14.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/5Xqfy2fh/Weixin-Image-20251109160811-123-14.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/hFqgbLJ4/Weixin-Image-20251109160814-124-14.jpg

seeds Sunday, 9 Nov 2025 at 08:08 pm new

Wow, is that a floral display or a yellowing off in Autumn?

AlfredWallace Sunday, 9 Nov 2025 at 08:15 pm new

lucky-al wrote:

Cheers AlfredWallace, I've just started to really appreciate birds and bird books in the last few years. Will look out for that one.

Lucky-al. Hey, I’ve found a mate. You and I are going to get on fine, now we’re talking turkey. Another person who admires birds. There’s plenty to like, so more intelligent than we ever thought, in fact a lot of them are brainiacs.
Birds are an integral cog of global ecologies, without them, humans would be screwed.

Ginkgo biloba is a Gymnosperm, ancient plant of the conifers, Macrozamia, Cycas. etc. group. Non flowering vascular plants, their evolution was prior to today’s Angiosperms (flowering plants) . They go a beautiful yellow just prior to Winter, dinosaurs were believed to eat the beautiful lobed leaves, many of which have been found in fossil stratigraphies. AW

freeride76 Sunday, 9 Nov 2025 at 08:10 pm new

Few bird photos from recent sojourns, all on I-phone.

https://i.imgur.com/KsgYrpg.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/bfUIp0z.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/bqYwCIE.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/oe7WwJ9.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/q7S2cf6.jpeg

lucky-al Sunday, 9 Nov 2025 at 08:11 pm new

seeds wrote:

Wow, is that a floral display or a yellowing off in Autumn?

That's the ginkgo tree in autumn for you.

AlfredWallace Sunday, 9 Nov 2025 at 08:19 pm new

freeride76 wrote:

Few bird photos from recent sojourns, all on I-phone.

https://i.imgur.com/KsgYrpg.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/bfUIp0z.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/bqYwCIE.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/oe7WwJ9.jpeg

https://i.imgur.com/q7S2cf6.jpeg

Freeride76. Hi mate, hope you’re well.

Nice shots. Darter, Pacific Baza, Osprey and Striated Heron .AW

lucky-al Sunday, 9 Nov 2025 at 08:19 pm new

AlfredWallace wrote:

Cheers AlfredWallace, I've just started to really appreciate birds and bird books in the last few years. Will look out for that one.

Lucky-al. Hey, I’ve found a mate. You and I are going to get on fine, now we’re talking turkey. Another person who admires birds. There’s plenty to like, so more intelligent than we ever thought, in fact a lot of them are brainiacs.
Birds are an integral cog of global ecologies, without them, humans would be screwed.

Ginkgo biloba is a Gymnosperm, ancient plant of the conifers, Macrozamia, Cycas. etc. group. Non flowering vascular plants, their evolution was prior to today’s Angiosperms (flowering plants) . They go a beautiful yellow just prior to Winter, dinosaurs were believed to eat the beautiful lobed leaves, many of which have been found in fossil stratigraphies. AW

I think you'll like this then, one of my favourite websites since we moved here: wildbeijing.org

lucky-al Sunday, 9 Nov 2025 at 08:23 pm new

juggling your fishing stick and iphone now freeride76! giving away your spots, they know where you fish mate.

freeride76 Sunday, 9 Nov 2025 at 08:27 pm new

Tried all winter to get a shot of the noisy pitta that was fossicking around in the cottonwood groves at the point but couldn't get a clean shot.

Hi Al- no ID on the spots- try and guess where?

freeride76 Sunday, 9 Nov 2025 at 08:30 pm new

This one would be pretty easy for you I reckon AW- iconic rainforest tree here in the sub-tropics.

https://i.imgur.com/4YK8Om8.jpeg

AlfredWallace Sunday, 9 Nov 2025 at 08:34 pm new

freeride76 wrote:

Tried all winter to get a shot of the noisy pitta that was fossicking around in the cottonwood groves at the point but couldn't get a clean shot.

Hi Al- no ID on the spots- try and guess where?

Freeride 76. Pittas are great at not being seen. Heard, now that’s a contrast, never shut up hence the name.
On my recent trip to the rainforests of Sulawesi and The Moluccas (Halmahera, Ternate and Tidore), some of the incredible Pittas we saw were twice the size of Noisy Pittas, for example, Ivory Breasted Pitta, but others were the same size and some smaller than Noisy Pittas. We were getting to within 1m of these birds by remaining motionless under camouflage webbing, Incredible. AW

basesix Sunday, 9 Nov 2025 at 08:37 pm new

lucky-al wrote:

juggling your fishing stick and iphone now freeride76! giving away your spots, they know where you fish mate.

I don't think " fishing stick and iphone " is correct, @lucky-al
I reckon you mean " fishing stick and talk block "

AlfredWallace Sunday, 9 Nov 2025 at 08:37 pm new

freeride76 wrote:

This one would be pretty easy for you I reckon AW- iconic rainforest tree here in the sub-tropics.

https://i.imgur.com/4YK8Om8.jpeg

Castanospermum australe. Black Bean. Produces nice wood for various applications, especially wood turning. AW

lucky-al Sunday, 9 Nov 2025 at 08:43 pm new

Are you a botanist AlfredWallace? I wonder if you've met my dad, he's a botanist.

lucky-al Sunday, 9 Nov 2025 at 08:49 pm new

basesix wrote:

juggling your fishing stick and iphone now freeride76! giving away your spots, they know where you fish mate.

I don't think " fishing stick and iphone " is correct, @lucky-al
I reckon you mean " fishing stick and talk block "

freeride76's talking block is talking as we speak, as i type i mean, as he's clicking and fishing away, at his secret spots, but it's beaming in on him baby and they're beaming together, and soon he'll meet mister zoot horn rollo, who will hit that long lunar note, and let it float.

AlfredWallace Sunday, 9 Nov 2025 at 08:55 pm new

lucky-al wrote:

Are you a botanist AlfredWallace? I wonder if you've met my dad, he's a botanist.

I’m not a trained or qualified practising botanist, just a mere self taught one.
Albeit, I have taught botany at a couple of Tertiary institutions. Plants and birds are my two main passions in the biological world, but really, I’m interested in anything that has a cellular life cycle . In essence I’m a field naturalist, I love it, its fulfilling and keeps me outdoors, I don’t do inside very well. I’m a passionate surfer also, it’s a connection to the ocean that connects me to the biological world, again. AW

freeride76 Sunday, 9 Nov 2025 at 09:05 pm new

yep, black bean or Moreton Bay chestnut.

apparently the toxic seeds can be made edible (and were made edible by FNP) by a long process.

basesix Sunday, 9 Nov 2025 at 09:09 pm new

dulcet tones and freaky bones to @fr, @lucky-al. never had a talk block. can't imagine intermittently blue-screen deflating pupils of night-wonder and dilated-delight.. unless he breaks his salao jewy spell.. then snap away @fr! (not the braid!)

seeds Sunday, 9 Nov 2025 at 09:22 pm new

freeride76 wrote:

yep, black bean or Moreton Bay chestnut.

apparently the toxic seeds can be made edible (and were made edible by FNP) by a long process.

I believe they would also use the crushed raw seeds, to infiltrate the water in a small pond or creek, to stun the fish, then scoop up a feed.

lucky-al Sunday, 9 Nov 2025 at 10:13 pm new

freeride76 wrote:

Tried all winter to get a shot of the noisy pitta that was fossicking around in the cottonwood groves at the point but couldn't get a clean shot.

Hi Al- no ID on the spots- try and guess where?

somewhere near where you live? nice shots - that one with baza and his mate, tell us more. you ought to get a decent camera and long lens, camouflage get-out. they know where you fish mate, don't think they don't.

AlfredWallace Monday, 10 Nov 2025 at 08:43 am new

freeride76 wrote:

yep, black bean or Moreton Bay chestnut.

apparently the toxic seeds can be made edible (and were made edible by FNP) by a long process.

FR76. Totally correct regarding the seeds. They knew how to leach the toxins. Smart people our Australian aborigines. We should listen to them more often. Anyway, I’ve got a concrete pour, adios. AW

lucky-al Monday, 10 Nov 2025 at 06:13 pm new

freeride76 wrote:

https://i.imgur.com/bqYwCIE.jpeg

Could that be a swift in the upper right freeride76? I was just reading about the Pacific swift, Apus pacifica, one of the species listed in the China–Australia Migratory Bird Agreement. The People's Daily regularly reports on bird migration events. There was an article the other day about the Qilihai Wetland, 'a vital link on the East Asian-Australasian Flyway'. Good news: 'Qilihai Wetland in Ninghe District, Tianjin Municipality - the largest natural wetland in the Beijing-Tianjin region - has become a critical stopover for hundreds of thousands of migratory birds. Monitoring data shows that the number of bird species identified there has risen to 308, a significant increase from the 258 recorded in 2021 and a new historic high.'

AlfredWallace Monday, 10 Nov 2025 at 06:35 pm new

lucky-al wrote:

https://i.imgur.com/bqYwCIE.jpeg

Could that be a swift in the upper right freeride76? I was just reading about the Pacific swift, Apus pacifica, one of the species listed in the China–Australia Migratory Bird Agreement. The People's Daily regularly reports on bird migration events. There was an article the other day about the Qilihai Wetland, 'a vital link on the East Asian-Australasian Flyway'. Good news: 'Qilihai Wetland in Ninghe District, Tianjin Municipality - the largest natural wetland in the Beijing-Tianjin region - has become a critical stopover for hundreds of thousands of migratory birds. Monitoring data shows that the number of bird species identified there has risen to 308, a significant increase from the 258 recorded in 2021 and a new historic high.'

lucky-al. Hi mate.

See, I told you we’d be talking.

Sadly that bird in the top right hand corner is definitely not a Pacific Swift,(aka Fork tailed Swift, it’s either a Welcome or Barn Swallow, photo is a bit fuzzy.

Pacific Swifts spend their entire life on the wing, only when they lay eggs on a high ridge or cliff face they land, it’s very brief indeed, wonderful birds.
They are often above us, way up very high. Easy way to see them is when a brisk weather change occurs and we get a tempest, look skyward and you’ll see a few or hundreds if not thousands. AW

freeride76 Monday, 10 Nov 2025 at 09:24 pm new

Yep, welcome swallow.

one of my fav birds showed up yesterday - white throated needle-tails.

Migratory swift.

fuckign amazing aerialists.

You see 'em down there AW?

lucky-al Monday, 10 Nov 2025 at 09:34 pm new

Cheers AW. I'll be at the seaside in Vietnam for a couple of weeks next month, will look up and see what I can see.

freeride76 Monday, 10 Nov 2025 at 09:43 pm new

Thats great news about the China–Australia Migratory Bird Agreement Al. Hope you're well mate.

lucky-al Monday, 10 Nov 2025 at 10:37 pm new

Likewise, freeride76. Will call in next time I'm down your way.