Vaccinate or not

Supafreak started the topic in Tuesday, 24 Nov 2020 at 06:20 pm

I was a little shocked at Alan Joyce (CEO Qantas) announcement that international travelers will be required to have a covid 19 vaccination in order to travel on Qantas flights . The government wanted to have mandatory vaccination but after the bumbling of its release ( it was painful to watch the delivery of that announcement ) they withdrew the mandatory part but it seems Qantas and other business may demand a vaccination in order to use their services. I’m not anti vaccine by any means I just don’t trust this government or a vaccine that has been rushed through. A jab followed by another jab followed by yearly jabs doesn’t sit well with me as I have never had a flu shot or the flu for more than 20 years. Plus I don’t want to give this shot to my healthy 4 year old daughter. She is up to date with all her vaccinations but this covid vaccine is new and not being around for decades like the others. Tuberculosis remains the number one as far diseases go and you don’t need proof of vaccination to travel so what is going on ?

indo-dreaming Sunday, 22 Aug 2021 at 01:33 pm

Looking at recent vaccination stats I was surprised to learn today that New Zealand vaccination rates are slightly behind Australia.

Current percentage of population fully vaccinated

https://i.imgur.com/xjDmdl7.png

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/ng-interactive/2021/aug/20/c…

BTW. Currently up to 41.8% that have had at least one dose, so good to see ball is now rolling.

truebluebasher Sunday, 22 Aug 2021 at 02:46 pm

Melbourne Chamber of Commerce is pleased with Dan's Mass Vax Capsicum Spray Trial.
Free Chunky Custard & Freedom Fries for each Anti Vaxerz Spray vaccination.
Shop: "Sold 4,000 Big M's today!" Can now employ more 1 dose staff to ramp up another Lockdown!

Banksy : { Policeman's Ball Cops a Spray }
Conductor : Do my Tram brakes work in a sea of Foam? Bugger!

tbb: Goldie Chamber of Commerce deployed same Business model During 2018 Ghost Town Games.
Stolenwealth Mob of 15 would scare the shit outta Ghostown with 4,000 media...Maccas were flat out!
Video [1:00] Australia's most stoned Koala Mascots with the Punk Borobi T Shirts (Gold!)
https://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/sport/commonwealth-games/stolenwea…

batfink Sunday, 22 Aug 2021 at 08:36 pm

Easily the most annoying forum on swellnet, ever.

Just get the jab. The science is so far beyond you, it’s like an amoeba discussing the philosophy of Kant, Hume etc.

Just get the jab. Don’t think, it’s an art form that can’t be developed after 40 years of not doing it.

I restrict myself to only coming here every fortnight at most. I can’t stand the can’t, the regurgitated Facebook bullet points, the mindless opposition. Guess what, you didn’t know what was in the polio vaccine, the German measles vaccine, the mumps, rubella and all the other vaccines. Reasonable chance you’re alive and walking around because your responsible parents authorised those vaccines for you.

Facebook anti-vaxxer bullet points. Honestly, if you’re backing up your arguments with them, consider yourself the uninformed.

I’ll be back in another fortnight.

By the way, I got my second AZ vaccine earlier in the week. My penis enlarged from 7” to 10”, and strangely I can now thread backhand barrels pigdog. I don’t know how that happened, but definitely a side effect of getting the AZ vaccine.

Nutters.

batfink Sunday, 22 Aug 2021 at 08:37 pm
Supafreak Sunday, 22 Aug 2021 at 09:01 pm

Oh dear , batfink on the piss again , obviously hasn’t been keeping up with what’s currently going on .

poo-man Sunday, 22 Aug 2021 at 09:02 pm

Some interesting stats from the UK. I'm booked in this week but does it really make much difference

https://thebfd.co.nz/2021/08/20/lets-stop-the-scare-tactics-on-delta-an…

Stok Sunday, 22 Aug 2021 at 10:28 pm

Reckon we'd be out of this mess if instead of a jab, they could somehow administer it as say a chewable gummie?

saltyone Monday, 23 Aug 2021 at 06:20 am

No words.

Nick Fogle (@nickfogle) Tweeted:
@Snowden Can't get this image out of my head. https://t.co/ieit6ceqny

Looks familiar.
Ironic.

Supafreak Monday, 23 Aug 2021 at 12:08 pm

Long covid might take out a few of the unvaccinated , fatigue and reduced physical fitness common symptoms . https://www.rcsi.com/dublin/news-and-events/news/news-article/2021/08/b…

Hutchy 19 Monday, 23 Aug 2021 at 01:11 pm

"We recently discussed the rise of a generation of censors as young people embrace the role of government and corporate censorship. The erosion of free speech rights is manifest in a chilling poll from the Pew Research Center that shows a huge jump in favor of censorship among citizens with almost half now supporting the government barring “misinformation.” The shift is almost entirely among Democrats who (like Democratic leaders) now overwhelming favor fewer free speech protections and more government control over speech." Read this today .

"To learn who rules over you , simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize " . Voltaire .

From the tyrants playbook 101 .

Fauci is looking more like Lysenko and Mengele's every day . All three REALLY believe/d they were doing the right thing .

Hutchy 19 Monday, 23 Aug 2021 at 03:22 pm

What is person called when they are pro ALL vaccines but are unsure of covid vaccines ?

I believe that the covid vaccines ARE effective at reducing the severity of the virus . I am concerned though that , as they do not kill the virus like other vaccines , they may give the virus the chance and the incentive to mutate in a living host .

This virus is way too smart for my liking ( man made probably ) and EVEN it does not know what it will do next .

bluediamond Monday, 23 Aug 2021 at 04:02 pm

Hi Hutchy. I would have made IT in large letters instead of EVEN. Like even IT, instead of EVEN it. I think you want to accentuate the IT in your sentence for emphasis. :-)

Hutchy 19 Monday, 23 Aug 2021 at 04:28 pm

Blue Diamond - thanks for giving me advice . I think it might have been a bit of a waste of your time
though .

Would prefer you get out a bit from where you live and those you associate with to see if my view that 85% of Australian's are not racists is true . If you are unable to do that due to covid please think of one realistic solution that will help aboriginals escape from their current situation as I have requested .

bluediamond Monday, 23 Aug 2021 at 05:00 pm

No worries hutch. Always here to help. Unfortunately I've found conversing with you on anything beyond superficial to bring out your aggressive nature so ill choose to avoid any kind of rational or logical debate w you. By the way, did you know that using CAPITALS sounds like you're yelling? Have a good arvo Indo.

indo-dreaming Monday, 23 Aug 2021 at 05:47 pm

bluediamond wrote:

No worries hutch. Always here to help. Unfortunately I've found conversing with you on anything beyond superficial to bring out your aggressive nature so ill choose to avoid any kind of rational or logical debate w you. By the way, did you know that using CAPITALS sounds like you're yelling? Have a good arvo Indo.

Indo?

I don't know if that was an accident or on purpose?.

But just to be clear im not Hutchy, i might share some of his views but a lot i don't share, i do find him entertaining though :D

old-dog Monday, 23 Aug 2021 at 06:05 pm

I'm probably out of line but when I read bd's posts I think of a school student at a North shore private all girls school who is in love with her lesbian activist phycologist teacher.( not that there is anything wrong with that.) Sorry, couldn't help myself. Cheers.

bluediamond Monday, 23 Aug 2021 at 06:37 pm

That's epic old dog. You're imagination is better than mine. Glad I can 'do' it for you!! Im not giving u my number though u old weirdo.;)
Apologies indi. Same simpleton structure to your posts and arguments. Thumbs up

troppo dichotomy Monday, 23 Aug 2021 at 06:44 pm

i'm in love with a student @an all girls school who's in love with her lesbian activist psychology teacher,who's transgender!

Vic Local Monday, 23 Aug 2021 at 06:45 pm

Vaccinate or not? Eventually in Australia, probably some time in 2022, Covid will become the disease of the idiots. Won't that be sweet.
It's already starting to happen in the USA.

Island Bay Monday, 23 Aug 2021 at 07:04 pm

40 Grit has spoken.

Hutchy 19 Monday, 23 Aug 2021 at 07:53 pm

Vaccinated or not a huge amount of people are dying from the virus . Children ( who are not allowed to be vaccinated at the moment ) and today I saw on the news a baby has it in Australia .

Millions in poor countries are dying from the virus . They will not have the opportunity to be vaccinated by 2022 .

And you think that will be sweet ! If you are right and covid will become the disease of idiots you WILL be sure to die from it . You are a very nasty human being . You deserve everything you get in the future .

Hutchy 19 Monday, 23 Aug 2021 at 07:57 pm

My post was for the guy who is pointing the gun . Maybe take a new picture with it pointing at your head which is what I think your cruelty has in store for you .

You probably still don't realise I am talking about you Vic Local .

Vic Local Monday, 23 Aug 2021 at 09:02 pm

Hutchy, you dopey fucker. I said that Covid would be a disease of the idiots in Australia.
It's fucking tragic what covid is doing in poor countries, where people don't have access to vaccinations.
We are very lucky in Australia, and some time in 2022, everyone will have had the opportunity to get vaccinated. When we reach that point in Australia, covid will become the disease of the idiots who refuse to get vaccinated. eg people like Hanson.
It's happening in the USA now, where Covid is killing the anti vax morons. The big outbreaks are happening in red states and many clusters are based out of evangelical churches.
Trump held a rally the other day, and when he finally spoke some sense and encouraged the crowd to get vaccinated, they booed him. These are the type of morons at real risk of taking part in a bit of social darwinism.

views from the… Monday, 23 Aug 2021 at 09:29 pm

Im with you VL- herd em up into all the stadiums.

Vic Local Monday, 23 Aug 2021 at 09:45 pm

It will be a slow painful death for many of the antin-vax morons. Not exactly getting ripped apart by lions for a baying mob.
Not sure there's too much entertainment value in watching somebody's lungs give up.

Blowin Monday, 23 Aug 2021 at 09:55 pm

Windy outside tonight. That bit of rain will be welcome.

poo-man Monday, 23 Aug 2021 at 11:15 pm

Where's India at right now? It was all over the news and now there's nothing being heard about it. Worldometer has cases way down......

groundswell Monday, 23 Aug 2021 at 11:23 pm

I believe in the vaccines, maybe not AZ but Pfizer and the other newer one. But i believe china already have a better vaccine as they deliberately released it to conquer the west.

Supafreak Tuesday, 24 Aug 2021 at 05:17 am
Cacadajy Tuesday, 24 Aug 2021 at 06:35 am

Supafreak wrote:

Did someone say India ? https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion/columnists/indias-ivermectin-bl…

Yep whilst interesting upon fact checking different possible reasons are put forward.

https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/no-data-available-to-suggest-a-l…

Supafreak Tuesday, 24 Aug 2021 at 06:52 am

@cacadajy , would you say this is the same explanation for Mexico ? Countries currently using ivermectin. https://ivmstatus.com/

Cacadajy Tuesday, 24 Aug 2021 at 06:59 am

Heard an old, but modified for current events, rant the other day .

"If you are going to give me advice on Covid or vaccinations and you didn't get the information from the library shut the fuck up I don't want to hear it. Unlike the internet, at least the fucking library has the decency to seperate the non-fiction and fiction".

So first uppercut for today goes to me for posting a link (above) without being able to verify its factualness.

Cacadajy Tuesday, 24 Aug 2021 at 07:02 am

Supafreak wrote:

@cacadajy , would you say this is the same explanation for Mexico ? Countries currently using ivermectin. https://ivmstatus.com/

Hoping my self inflicted uppercut sufficiently addresses your question Supa.

poo-man Tuesday, 24 Aug 2021 at 07:03 am

Cacadajy wrote:

Did someone say India ? https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion/columnists/indias-ivermectin-bl…

Yep whilst interesting upon fact checking different possible reasons are put forward.

Wow that's interesting.....the second article was written back in May so a bit out of date. Surely India will know what caused their massive drop off in cases. It was all over the news a few months back but now......nothing. I don't have any firm view either way on the Ivermectin thing but if that's what helped India then why the huge reluctance from the medical fraternity and governments to look at it? Big Pharma yep I get that but anything Ivermectin is just censored

https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/no-data-available-to-suggest-a-l…

Supafreak Tuesday, 24 Aug 2021 at 07:14 am

It seems a a lot of Australians are now getting ivermectin from overseas as its supply locally has dried up . It’s a shame our government didn’t back Monash earlier when they were handling out billions for vaccine research . Throwing all our eggs in one basket may have been a mistake. Not like our government to make a mistake though is it . For Monash to get funding to continue its research from outside sources says alot about our government and the continued interest in ivermectin. https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/therapeutic-go… https://www.monash.edu/discovery-institute/news-and-events/news/2021-ar…

Island Bay Tuesday, 24 Aug 2021 at 07:22 am

Don't worry, Supa. The NZ govt is working along the same lines, just doubling down even harder, and adding extreme virtue-signalling to the mix.

Phew, I'd banned V-S from my vocabulary for a few months, but it squeezed out in an unguarded moment!

Cacadajy Tuesday, 24 Aug 2021 at 07:24 am

poo-man wrote:

Did someone say India ? https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion/columnists/indias-ivermectin-bl…

Yep whilst interesting upon fact checking different possible reasons are put forward.

Wow that's interesting.....the second article was written back in May so a bit out of date. Surely India will know what caused their massive drop off in cases. It was all over the news a few months back but now......nothing. I don't have any firm view either way on the Ivermectin thing but if that's what helped India then why the huge reluctance from the medical fraternity and governments to look at it? Big Pharma yep I get that but anything Ivermectin is just censored

https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/no-data-available-to-suggest-a-l…

Yeah saw the date on that but from what I quickly read there was a lot of hype pro, con around that time. Still interesting subject and will be fascinating in time to see where the reality of that subject lands.

I have no expertise so I quickly and carefully backed away from the venomous creature also known as an uneducated uninformed opinion thrust onto others.

Cacadajy Tuesday, 24 Aug 2021 at 07:29 am

Don't stress IB you have moved onto extreme V-S. Gots to change with the times ; )

Supafreak Tuesday, 24 Aug 2021 at 07:43 am

@cacadady , It’s ok to have an opinion either way, what I don’t understand about the various trials currently running is , none seem to follow the combined cocktail recommended by actual icu doctors treating covid patients, that have also written a formula for prevention. With these doctors track record of treating patients in the US ( they don’t save everyone ) you would think a trial using their formula would be conducted. It’s all a bit baffling .

Cacadajy Tuesday, 24 Aug 2021 at 07:56 am

My opinion is to listen to experts like the WHO and locally the TGA.

I am sure people have a myriad of reasons not to trust them but they are the bodies tasked with providing guidance in relation to these things.

In quieter times, on other matters I don't recall these bodies being discredited.

But as I said where the issue lands in the future will be interesting.

Supafreak Tuesday, 24 Aug 2021 at 08:26 am

@cacadajy , the WHO and TGA also don’t agree on everything , remdesivir is just one example . Even though studies show it has little benefit the TGA has it listed as treatment in certain circumstances. Again it’s all a bit baffling.

Cacadajy Tuesday, 24 Aug 2021 at 08:46 am

udo wrote:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/how-australia-went-being-covid-free-…

Not a bad article considering it is from the US. Same info we have.
I am waiting for the first article out of the US that claims "in a world first" human to animal spread of Covid as the Kangaroo population is struck down. The US does seem to have a hard time coping with the fact that some of us eat our coat of arms.

Supafreak Tuesday, 24 Aug 2021 at 08:57 am

Pfizer finally gets full FDA approval , this might convince some of the vaccine hesitation in the US , doubt it will make any difference to the hardcore anti - vax mob though . https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-58309254

saltyone Tuesday, 24 Aug 2021 at 09:07 am

Fact- Fact checkers are mostly kids from third world countries paid by big tech to censor truth.

The WHO is funded by Gates foundation and GAVI .

(Greedy Tech nerd no accountability)
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.devex.com/news/big-concerns-over-ga…

saltyone Tuesday, 24 Aug 2021 at 09:50 am
Johknee Tuesday, 24 Aug 2021 at 10:00 am

udo wrote:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/how-australia-went-being-covid-free-…

"Covid lockdown in Australia's capital leads to panic buying"

Classic Yank resurchhhhh Arstraya's capidal, Sydney.

Cacadajy Tuesday, 24 Aug 2021 at 10:09 am

saltyone wrote:

facebook saves the day!

Ugh

https://www.devex.com/news/facebook-ramps-up-fight-against-covid-19-vac…

Where do the real facts come from now?

sam_2 Tuesday, 24 Aug 2021 at 10:39 am

Not facebook. Thats for sure.