The Israel Palestine problem solving thread

stunet started the topic in Tuesday, 17 Oct 2023 at 10:45 am

Because the world would be a better place if leaders only listened to Swellnet commenters, we've created a forum that makes it easy for them to gather our thoughts.

Today's shit talk is tomorrow's policy.

Optimist Saturday, 18 Nov 2023 at 07:38 am new

This thread is about Israel ,…a nation established 3500 years ago and one that existed long before that as a nomadic society given the right to exist instead of being destroyed by a new and violent religion.
It has nothing to do with me,

green room Saturday, 18 Nov 2023 at 08:33 am new

Yo, you're all talk, basesix dude, just frontin' like you're some genius but ain't got nothin' smart to say.

Claiming that the Jews are legit indigenous to the area ain't about religion, man. It's just about tracking where the Jewish folks have been rollin' over history. Just straight up facts, Aussie mate.

Arab Muslims can't claim they're original to that spot. They straight-up snatched it by force from the folks who'd been holding it down for thousands of years. Talk about being some heavy-duty colonizers, dude! Their objective is to get people to join the Islam crew or take 'em out.

We're in some seriously messed-up times, man. People out here are straight-up denying history, confused about who the legit colonizers are, cheering on Islamic terrorism, siding with Osama bin Laden. Even LGBTIQA+ are championing Islam. It's wild!

It's a real sign of how messed up our education system is these days.

The Long March™

The Long March™

basesix Saturday, 18 Nov 2023 at 08:27 am new

aww, we'd come so far @green room. Gotta say, it is you who sounds super intelligent, I'm just a dude with interests, reminding a long-time poster that talking zealously about fundamental religion in this conflict further clouds a shit situation.

Jelly Flater Saturday, 18 Nov 2023 at 09:56 am new

Haha… fundamentalist flopti ;);)

- “This thread is about Israel…”
& “ …a nomadic society given the right to exist instead of being destroyed by a new and violent religion. “

This thread is about israel AND palestine ;)

- and the ‘right to exist’ is equally applicable to all parties. The idea of being ‘chosen people’ and being promised a ‘chosen land’ is a divisive, racist and elitist myth. It in no way is legitimate nor has to be believed, respected or acknowledged.

It’s like proposing an idea of a planet heaven and demanding everyone accept it and believe it as real when it isn’t in reality ;);)

- it’s religious fanaticism and divine misinterpretation. There will never be peace with liars and religious nutjobs trying to force unwarranted and cruel hasbara inspired false doctrine upon the secular world…

Trying to label islam as only violent whilst ignoring the rich history of christian aligned aggression all the way from the crusades to iraq etc is another effort in hypocritical folly… but flopti can’t see straight with a plank in his eye ;)

In the meantime… remember the kind and loving words of the flopti as he gears up for some jesus endorsed end of days garbage ;)
- and kill those farkn persians !
(before one pop locks off to planet heaven) ;);)

- ^^ go flopti, dancing queen ;) ^^

Jelly Flater Saturday, 18 Nov 2023 at 09:58 am new

;)

Jelly Flater Saturday, 18 Nov 2023 at 10:17 am new

…then and now flopti
- a new and violent ideology… giving as good as it gets ;)

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/uPz2aCo7W-c

Jelly Flater Saturday, 18 Nov 2023 at 10:20 am new

“… the right to exist instead of being destroyed … “

Oh. Ok ;)
… then and now

green room Saturday, 18 Nov 2023 at 11:05 am new

Hey yo, Jelly Flater, seriously, you're blowing it, dude. Talking smack about Israel and America? Not cool, bro. It's a real bummer to see our Aussie buds throwing down hate like that. We Americans dig our Aussie mates, see you as equals and allies, but you're letting us down, man. Shame on you.

sypkan Saturday, 18 Nov 2023 at 12:54 pm new

the BLM billionaire backed professional provacateurs are back on the job...

sypkan Saturday, 18 Nov 2023 at 12:57 pm new

and yeh nah... modern marxism totally ain't a thing...

https://www.thefp.com/p/american-marxists-funding-pro-palestinian-rage

millionaire marxism?

san Guine Saturday, 18 Nov 2023 at 01:20 pm new
green room Saturday, 18 Nov 2023 at 01:43 pm new

bonza Saturday, 18 Nov 2023 at 02:32 pm new

That’s a great article from quillette.

Follows on from the Sam Harris podcast that rabs posted which needs to be listened to.

Jelly Flater Saturday, 18 Nov 2023 at 03:01 pm new

Oh yo green room…. yo dude…
- keep blowing yaself u seppo warmonger ;)

Shame on your military industrial complex and facilitated genocide ;);)

Jelly Flater Saturday, 18 Nov 2023 at 03:07 pm new

… and go flopti go ;)

- off to planet heaven…
- first muthafucka to see a new galaxy… find a new alien life form… and fuck it ;);)

Optimist Saturday, 18 Nov 2023 at 04:24 pm new

Always the deep thinker….but why think?…when there’s you tube.

Roadkill Saturday, 18 Nov 2023 at 04:38 pm new

Optimist wrote:

Always the deep thinker….but why think?…when there’s you tube.

Jellybrainburleigh will be furiously searching youtube for another irrelevant youtube comeback. Because he has nothing else.

soggydog Saturday, 18 Nov 2023 at 04:45 pm new

green room wrote:

Yo, you're all talk, basesix dude, just frontin' like you're some genius but ain't got nothin' smart to say.

Claiming that the Jews are legit indigenous to the area ain't about religion, man. It's just about tracking where the Jewish folks have been rollin' over history. Just straight up facts, Aussie mate.

Arab Muslims can't claim they're original to that spot. They straight-up snatched it by force from the folks who'd been holding it down for thousands of years. Talk about being some heavy-duty colonizers, dude! Their objective is to get people to join the Islam crew or take 'em out.

We're in some seriously messed-up times, man. People out here are straight-up denying history, confused about who the legit colonizers are, cheering on Islamic terrorism, siding with Osama bin Laden. Even LGBTIQA+ are championing Islam. It's wild!

It's a real sign of how messed up our education system is these days.

https://twitter.com/Heritage/status/1725539922839306412

The Long March™

https://twitter.com/Heritage/status/1725619850968482269

The Long March™

Is Judaism a religion or an ethnicity.
I’ll give you a hint….. it’s a religious ideology NOT an ethnicity.

Jelly Flater Saturday, 18 Nov 2023 at 05:40 pm new

Haha ;)
…lawd fraud flopti trying to question the depth of one’s thinking ;)

- obviously still enjoying the plank in your eye ;);)

The superficial surface dweller flopti, wallowing in fantasy and imagined superstitions… balls deep in religious bigotry.
- yet oblivious to facts and detached from reality ;)

Jelly Flater Saturday, 18 Nov 2023 at 05:45 pm new

Go flopti go !
- the lawd loves a fraud ;)

‘God has a hard on for marines… because we kill everything we see.’ ;);)

indo-dreaming Saturday, 18 Nov 2023 at 08:19 pm new

soggydog wrote:

Yo, you're all talk, basesix dude, just frontin' like you're some genius but ain't got nothin' smart to say.

Claiming that the Jews are legit indigenous to the area ain't about religion, man. It's just about tracking where the Jewish folks have been rollin' over history. Just straight up facts, Aussie mate.

Arab Muslims can't claim they're original to that spot. They straight-up snatched it by force from the folks who'd been holding it down for thousands of years. Talk about being some heavy-duty colonizers, dude! Their objective is to get people to join the Islam crew or take 'em out.

We're in some seriously messed-up times, man. People out here are straight-up denying history, confused about who the legit colonizers are, cheering on Islamic terrorism, siding with Osama bin Laden. Even LGBTIQA+ are championing Islam. It's wild!

It's a real sign of how messed up our education system is these days.

https://twitter.com/Heritage/status/1725539922839306412

The Long March™

https://twitter.com/Heritage/status/1725619850968482269

The Long March™

Is Judaism a religion or an ethnicity.
I’ll give you a hint….. it’s a religious ideology NOT an ethnicity.

Judaism is a religion, but Jews as in the ancestor's of the Indigenous people of Israel and Judah are an ethnic group.

While not common and even controversial to some you can follow and practice Judaism without being Jewish as in indigenous to the land of Israel & Judah, and you can also be Jewish as in Indigenous to the land of Israel & Judah and not practice Judaism as in a religion.

We also know ethnicity doesn't vanish or change because you or your ancestors dont live where they are indigenous too.

indo-dreaming Saturday, 18 Nov 2023 at 08:23 pm new

This is pretty interesting from a military perspective.

There was some poster here that was really clued on about military stuff, cant remember who, wish they would post in this thread.

Was it Batfink?

soggydog Saturday, 18 Nov 2023 at 08:44 pm new

indo-dreaming wrote:

Yo, you're all talk, basesix dude, just frontin' like you're some genius but ain't got nothin' smart to say.

Claiming that the Jews are legit indigenous to the area ain't about religion, man. It's just about tracking where the Jewish folks have been rollin' over history. Just straight up facts, Aussie mate.

Arab Muslims can't claim they're original to that spot. They straight-up snatched it by force from the folks who'd been holding it down for thousands of years. Talk about being some heavy-duty colonizers, dude! Their objective is to get people to join the Islam crew or take 'em out.

We're in some seriously messed-up times, man. People out here are straight-up denying history, confused about who the legit colonizers are, cheering on Islamic terrorism, siding with Osama bin Laden. Even LGBTIQA+ are championing Islam. It's wild!

It's a real sign of how messed up our education system is these days.

https://twitter.com/Heritage/status/1725539922839306412

The Long March™

https://twitter.com/Heritage/status/1725619850968482269

The Long March™

Is Judaism a religion or an ethnicity.
I’ll give you a hint….. it’s a religious ideology NOT an ethnicity.

Judaism is a religion, but Jews as in the ancestor's of the Indigenous people of Israel and Judah are an ethnic group.

While not common and even controversial to some you can follow and practice Judaism without being Jewish as in indigenous to the land of Israel & Judah, and you can also be Jewish as in Indigenous to the land of Israel & Judah and not practice Judaism as in a religion.

We also know ethnicity doesn't vanish or change because you or your ancestors dont live where they are indigenous too.

I think you’ve mixed up being native to Israel, that would be Israeli. A person practicing Judaism or identifying as a follower of the Jewish faith could be from anywhere and be indigenous or ethnic to any other location of the world. Like ‘ol cunty from Melbourne trying to be a settler and all.

The religious Wurzel Gummage above was pretty cool JF.

Jelly Flater Saturday, 18 Nov 2023 at 08:56 pm new

;)

indo-dreaming Saturday, 18 Nov 2023 at 09:44 pm new

soggydog wrote:

Yo, you're all talk, basesix dude, just frontin' like you're some genius but ain't got nothin' smart to say.

Claiming that the Jews are legit indigenous to the area ain't about religion, man. It's just about tracking where the Jewish folks have been rollin' over history. Just straight up facts, Aussie mate.

Arab Muslims can't claim they're original to that spot. They straight-up snatched it by force from the folks who'd been holding it down for thousands of years. Talk about being some heavy-duty colonizers, dude! Their objective is to get people to join the Islam crew or take 'em out.

We're in some seriously messed-up times, man. People out here are straight-up denying history, confused about who the legit colonizers are, cheering on Islamic terrorism, siding with Osama bin Laden. Even LGBTIQA+ are championing Islam. It's wild!

It's a real sign of how messed up our education system is these days.

https://twitter.com/Heritage/status/1725539922839306412

The Long March™

https://twitter.com/Heritage/status/1725619850968482269

The Long March™

Is Judaism a religion or an ethnicity.
I’ll give you a hint….. it’s a religious ideology NOT an ethnicity.

Judaism is a religion, but Jews as in the ancestor's of the Indigenous people of Israel and Judah are an ethnic group.

While not common and even controversial to some you can follow and practice Judaism without being Jewish as in indigenous to the land of Israel & Judah, and you can also be Jewish as in Indigenous to the land of Israel & Judah and not practice Judaism as in a religion.

We also know ethnicity doesn't vanish or change because you or your ancestors dont live where they are indigenous too.

I think you’ve mixed up being native to Israel, that would be Israeli. A person practicing Judaism or identifying as a follower of the Jewish faith could be from anywhere and be indigenous or ethnic to any other location of the world. Like ‘ol cunty from Melbourne trying to be a settler and all.

The religious Wurzel Gummage above was pretty cool JF.

People indigenous to Israel call themselves Jew's after Judah.

Israelis are people who live in Israel but not necessarily always Jewish by ancestry or even follow or practice Judaism for instance there is Israeli Christian's and id expect there is non religious non jewish people that live in Israel(moved for work and stayed etc) and call themselves Israeli.

Just like how people move to Australia and call themselves Australians but aren't indigenous to Australia, you can even be two things at once like my wife she's Indonesian but also an Aussie.

BTW. This narrative that Israel is swamped by Jews that are Jewish by practicing Judaism only and dont have Jewish DNA is pretty fanciful its not very common for people to convert to Judaism id expect it would mostly be through marriage.

And there is also only 15 to 20 million Jews in the world, and only 7 million live in Israel and i dont expect these days those living elsewhere are really that keen to move to a country where their neighbours all want to kill them.

green room Saturday, 18 Nov 2023 at 09:46 pm new

Yo, Jelly Flater and Aussie crew throwing shade at Israel, riding the pro-Hamas vibe, you gotta check your facts, man.

Jewish folks been holding it down in that area since like the 5th century BC. Islam came rollin' in, about 6,000 years later, all through war and conquest. Arab Muslims are like the OG colonial settlers. Straight facts, dude.

Judaism
"Judaism ... originated as an organized religion in the Middle East during the Bronze Age. Contemporary Judaism evolved from Yahwism, the cultic religious movement of ancient Israel and Judah, around the 6th/5th century BCE..."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism

"The Kingdom of Judah ... was a Semitic-speaking kingdom of the Southern Levant during the Iron Age. Centered in the highlands of Judea, the landlocked kingdom's capital was Jerusalem. Jews are named after Judah and are primarily descended from it."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Judah

Islam
"The religion of Islam originated in Mecca about 610 CE. Muslims believe this is when Muhammad began receiving revelation. By the time of his death, most of the Arabian Peninsula had converted to Islam. Muslim rule expanded outside Arabia under the Rashidun Caliphate ... The expansion of the Muslim world involved various states and caliphates as well as extensive trade and religious conversion as a result of Islamic missionary activities (dawah), and through conquests."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam

Jelly Flater Saturday, 18 Nov 2023 at 10:20 pm new

… u can go wiki all u want ;)

& yo, y’all, dude, blah, blah… farkn get farked ;);)
…typical seppo pretend know it all ignorance.

- stick to your land of the free and all that fakery…

burleigh Saturday, 18 Nov 2023 at 10:32 pm new

Surely this greenroom guy is taking this piss.

southernraw Saturday, 18 Nov 2023 at 11:42 pm new

burleigh wrote:

Surely this greenroom guy is taking this piss.

Can be the only explanation @burleigh.

green room Sunday, 19 Nov 2023 at 06:55 am new

yo, downunder dudes, I ain't messing around, just laying down the real deal on historical facts that those Islamic terrorists won't own up to.

Gotta call out this stuff 'cause it exposes the false foundation that Islamic terrorists and the extreme left use to justify and support terrorism and slaughter. Terrorists are all about historical lies, Aussie mates!

basesix Sunday, 19 Nov 2023 at 07:07 am new

southernraw wrote:

Surely this greenroom guy is taking this piss.

Can be the only explanation @burleigh.

mm, one of opti's kids.. next shatner alter-ego.. jelly creating an adversary.. gsco freestylin.. the mind boggles. like the masked singer when maga-trump covers flo rida.

Jelly Flater Sunday, 19 Nov 2023 at 08:40 am new

Haha ;)

- ‘ just laying down the real deal on historical facts…’
& ‘ Terrorists are all about historical lies…’

Well… ;)
The US leads the world on the front of denial of accountability, is guilty of peddling historical falsities, is the greatest proponent of violence / military intervention and also endorses state sanctioned genocide ;);)

But yeah… let’s try call others out on ‘historical lies’ ;)
- hypocrisy, hasbara… and historical hubris.

old-dog Sunday, 19 Nov 2023 at 09:21 am new

Call me naive but look what happened in Afghanistan when the Yanks pulled out and the Taliban declared Sharia law. If you think the west are the bad guys and are going in to bat for the A-rabs perhaps you should take your daughters and go and live over there. They believe the whole World belongs to Islam and the way things are heading it probably eventually will. However, Israels response to the terror attacks is way over the top and should be condemned. This is more than an eye for an eye.

Jelly Flater Sunday, 19 Nov 2023 at 09:47 am new

Aaaaaah…
Afghanistan- averaged out at a cost of $300 million per day, and achieved nothing ;)

Total cost of ‘war on terror’ is over 8 trillion dollars for over a 20 year period of death and destruction… money well spent ? ;);)

Millions of ppl killed and displaced…
- further loss of safety and security, no concrete results.
… freedom, democracy ?

;)

https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/#:~:text=An%20estimated%203.6%2D3.8….

Jelly Flater Sunday, 19 Nov 2023 at 09:49 am new
Roadkill Sunday, 19 Nov 2023 at 09:53 am new

green room wrote:

yo, downunder dudes, I ain't messing around, just laying down the real deal on historical facts that those Islamic terrorists won't own up to.

Gotta call out this stuff 'cause it exposes the false foundation that Islamic terrorists and the extreme left use to justify and support terrorism and slaughter. Terrorists are all about historical lies, Aussie mates!

https://twitter.com/noatishby/status/1725724476422152449

green room, the Hamas apologists in here aren’t quite smart enough to understand the wider ramifications. No one wants innocent deaths but for Israel to cease and desist their actions now would just give radical clowns the ok to redo what Hamas did a few weeks back.
Lots of bias and anti-semitism on show.

Western power is the only thing stopping the world to be taken over by hate and greed…these guys just don’t get it.

southernraw Sunday, 19 Nov 2023 at 09:55 am new

Jelly Flater wrote:

Aaaaaah…

Afghanistan- averaged out at a cost of $300 million per day, and achieved nothing ;)

Total cost of ‘war on terror’ is over 8 trillion dollars for over a 20 year period of death and destruction… money well spent ? ;);)

Millions of ppl killed and displaced…

- further loss of safety and security, no concrete results.

… freedom, democracy ?

;)

https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/#:~:text=An%20estimated%203.6%2D3.8….

8trillion dollars eh?
Well somebody, somewhere got very very rich.
You could buy alot of elephants with that!

Roadkill Sunday, 19 Nov 2023 at 10:23 am new
green room Sunday, 19 Nov 2023 at 10:46 am new

Jelly Flater bro, seriously, dude? Is that your only move? You're totally off base on the facts of the Israel and Palestine thing, and instead of owning up to it, you just start throwing insults at the U.S.? Pathetic, man, just pathetic.

Straight from my Uni of Miami history book, just the facts, man...The Real Colonizers and Settlers™
"During the century after Muhammad’s death, Islamic armies ranged well beyond the boundaries of Arabia, carrying their religion and their authority to Byzantine and Sasanian territories and beyond. Between 633 and 637 c.e. Muslim forces seized Byzantine Syria and Palestine and took most of Mesopotamia from the Sasanians. During the 640s they conquered Byzantine Egypt and north. In 651 they toppled the Sasanian dynasty and incorporated Persia into their expanding empire. In 711 they conquered the Hindu kingdom of Sind in northwestern India. Between 711 and 718 they extended their authority to northwest Africa and crossed the Strait of Gibraltar, conquering most of the
Iberian peninsula and threatening the Frankish kingdom in Gaul."
https://www.mheducation.com/highered/product/traditions-encounters-glob…

You won't hear these truth bombs from Islamic terrorists and their far-left buddies in the States and downunder, but these are the real-deal historical facts, Aussie mate.

Arab Muslims straight-up jacked that land not too long ago in history, and now they're acting like they're the OG owners who recently got ‘their’ land stolen off them by the Jews, peoples who have held down the spot for 1,000s of years before them..

It's like, seriously? The hypocrisy is off the charts, man. Shameful.

soggydog Sunday, 19 Nov 2023 at 10:51 am new

green room wrote:

Jelly Flater bro, seriously, dude? Is that your only move? You're totally off base on the facts of the Israel and Palestine thing, and instead of owning up to it, you just start throwing insults at the U.S.? Pathetic, man, just pathetic.

Straight from my Uni of Miami history book, just the facts, man...The Real Colonizers and Settlers™

"During the century after Muhammad’s death, Islamic armies ranged well beyond the boundaries of Arabia, carrying their religion and their authority to Byzantine and Sasanian territories and beyond. Between 633 and 637 c.e. Muslim forces seized Byzantine Syria and Palestine and took most of Mesopotamia from the Sasanians. During the 640s they conquered Byzantine Egypt and north. In 651 they toppled the Sasanian dynasty and incorporated Persia into their expanding empire. In 711 they conquered the Hindu kingdom of Sind in northwestern India. Between 711 and 718 they extended their authority to northwest Africa and crossed the Strait of Gibraltar, conquering most of the

Iberian peninsula and threatening the Frankish kingdom in Gaul."

https://www.mheducation.com/highered/product/traditions-encounters-glob…

You won't hear these truth bombs from Islamic terrorists and their far-left buddies in the States and downunder, but these are the real-deal historical facts, Aussie mate.

Arab Muslims straight-up jacked that land not too long ago in history, and now they're acting like they're the OG owners who recently got ‘their’ land stolen off them by the Jews, peoples who have held down the spot for 1,000s of years before them..

It's like, seriously? The hypocrisy is off the charts, man. Shameful.

So when are you dickwads handing the US back to the Native Indian population. You know sovereignty and all. And you wanna talk about hypocrisy. LMB mate.

soggydog Sunday, 19 Nov 2023 at 10:51 am new

green room wrote:

Jelly Flater bro, seriously, dude? Is that your only move? You're totally off base on the facts of the Israel and Palestine thing, and instead of owning up to it, you just start throwing insults at the U.S.? Pathetic, man, just pathetic.

Straight from my Uni of Miami history book, just the facts, man...The Real Colonizers and Settlers™

"During the century after Muhammad’s death, Islamic armies ranged well beyond the boundaries of Arabia, carrying their religion and their authority to Byzantine and Sasanian territories and beyond. Between 633 and 637 c.e. Muslim forces seized Byzantine Syria and Palestine and took most of Mesopotamia from the Sasanians. During the 640s they conquered Byzantine Egypt and north. In 651 they toppled the Sasanian dynasty and incorporated Persia into their expanding empire. In 711 they conquered the Hindu kingdom of Sind in northwestern India. Between 711 and 718 they extended their authority to northwest Africa and crossed the Strait of Gibraltar, conquering most of the

Iberian peninsula and threatening the Frankish kingdom in Gaul."

https://www.mheducation.com/highered/product/traditions-encounters-glob…

You won't hear these truth bombs from Islamic terrorists and their far-left buddies in the States and downunder, but these are the real-deal historical facts, Aussie mate.

Arab Muslims straight-up jacked that land not too long ago in history, and now they're acting like they're the OG owners who recently got ‘their’ land stolen off them by the Jews, peoples who have held down the spot for 1,000s of years before them..

It's like, seriously? The hypocrisy is off the charts, man. Shameful.

So when are you dickwads handing the US back to the Native Indian population. You know sovereignty and all. And you wanna talk about hypocrisy. LMB mate.

Roadkill Sunday, 19 Nov 2023 at 10:54 am new

soggydog wrote:

Jelly Flater bro, seriously, dude? Is that your only move? You're totally off base on the facts of the Israel and Palestine thing, and instead of owning up to it, you just start throwing insults at the U.S.? Pathetic, man, just pathetic.

Straight from my Uni of Miami history book, just the facts, man...The Real Colonizers and Settlers™

"During the century after Muhammad’s death, Islamic armies ranged well beyond the boundaries of Arabia, carrying their religion and their authority to Byzantine and Sasanian territories and beyond. Between 633 and 637 c.e. Muslim forces seized Byzantine Syria and Palestine and took most of Mesopotamia from the Sasanians. During the 640s they conquered Byzantine Egypt and north. In 651 they toppled the Sasanian dynasty and incorporated Persia into their expanding empire. In 711 they conquered the Hindu kingdom of Sind in northwestern India. Between 711 and 718 they extended their authority to northwest Africa and crossed the Strait of Gibraltar, conquering most of the

Iberian peninsula and threatening the Frankish kingdom in Gaul."

https://www.mheducation.com/highered/product/traditions-encounters-glob…

You won't hear these truth bombs from Islamic terrorists and their far-left buddies in the States and downunder, but these are the real-deal historical facts, Aussie mate.

Arab Muslims straight-up jacked that land not too long ago in history, and now they're acting like they're the OG owners who recently got ‘their’ land stolen off them by the Jews, peoples who have held down the spot for 1,000s of years before them..

It's like, seriously? The hypocrisy is off the charts, man. Shameful.

So when are you dickwads handing the US back to the Native Indian population. You know sovereignty and all. And you wanna talk about hypocrisy. LMB mate.

Soggy dog, are you happy for white Australia to hand back Aus to the Aboriginal people?

soggydog Sunday, 19 Nov 2023 at 11:00 am new

California and New Mexico back to the Mexicans.

soggydog Sunday, 19 Nov 2023 at 11:00 am new

California and New Mexico back to the Mexicans.

Rabbits68 Sunday, 19 Nov 2023 at 11:22 am new

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soggydog Sunday, 19 Nov 2023 at 11:47 am new

Roadkill wrote:

Jelly Flater bro, seriously, dude? Is that your only move? You're totally off base on the facts of the Israel and Palestine thing, and instead of owning up to it, you just start throwing insults at the U.S.? Pathetic, man, just pathetic.

Straight from my Uni of Miami history book, just the facts, man...The Real Colonizers and Settlers™

"During the century after Muhammad’s death, Islamic armies ranged well beyond the boundaries of Arabia, carrying their religion and their authority to Byzantine and Sasanian territories and beyond. Between 633 and 637 c.e. Muslim forces seized Byzantine Syria and Palestine and took most of Mesopotamia from the Sasanians. During the 640s they conquered Byzantine Egypt and north. In 651 they toppled the Sasanian dynasty and incorporated Persia into their expanding empire. In 711 they conquered the Hindu kingdom of Sind in northwestern India. Between 711 and 718 they extended their authority to northwest Africa and crossed the Strait of Gibraltar, conquering most of the

Iberian peninsula and threatening the Frankish kingdom in Gaul."

https://www.mheducation.com/highered/product/traditions-encounters-glob…

You won't hear these truth bombs from Islamic terrorists and their far-left buddies in the States and downunder, but these are the real-deal historical facts, Aussie mate.

Arab Muslims straight-up jacked that land not too long ago in history, and now they're acting like they're the OG owners who recently got ‘their’ land stolen off them by the Jews, peoples who have held down the spot for 1,000s of years before them..

It's like, seriously? The hypocrisy is off the charts, man. Shameful.

So when are you dickwads handing the US back to the Native Indian population. You know sovereignty and all. And you wanna talk about hypocrisy. LMB mate.

Soggy dog, are you happy for white Australia to hand back Aus to the Aboriginal people?

Mate, we couldn’t even give constitutional recognition to Australian First Nations people. Yet there’s people on here that supported the No vote because of various reasons, one of those reasons in parts of our community being the fear of the possibility that land could be re distributed. Yet want to hark on about long lost sovereignty of Jewish people. Hence my rhetorical question of when Green Room was preparing to hand his land back to the North American First Nations people. It’s not going to happen in the US it’s not going to happen here. Why do we condone the slaughter of innocent people so it can happen in the ME?

san Guine Sunday, 19 Nov 2023 at 11:58 am new

"In the Old Testament (Genesis 16:1–16; 17:18–26; 21:1–21), Abraham’s wife Sarah was initially unable to bear children and therefore gave Abraham her maidservant Hagar to conceive an heir. Ishmael was born and brought up in Abraham’s household. Some 13 years later, however, Sarah conceived Isaac, with whom God established his covenant. Isaac became Abraham’s sole heir, and Ishmael and Hagar were banished to the desert, though God promised that Ishmael would raise up a great nation of his own."
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Ishmael-son-of-Abraham

Jelly Flater Sunday, 19 Nov 2023 at 12:44 pm new

Haha ;)
- “ It's like, seriously? The hypocrisy is off the charts, man. Shameful. “ ;);)
… ‘land of the free’ (built on war and slavery).

Jelly Flater Sunday, 19 Nov 2023 at 12:45 pm new
udo Sunday, 19 Nov 2023 at 12:45 pm new