harrycoopr wrote:

"Let’s be clear: the living conditions in Gaza before October 7th were horrific and inhumane – that was before Hamas ignited the latest war. Before this conflict, in Gaza, nearly 80 percent of people lived in poverty, and two-thirds were reliant on humanitarian assistance. Almost half the population, and over 70 percent of young people, were unemployed in Gaza. What kind of life could they look forward to? Electricity was intermittent, with 11- to 12-hour blackouts every day. Water and sanitation systems were inadequate, and there were constant shortages of all basic necessities. Gaza was mostly cut off from the world, with Israel and Egypt severely limiting the number of people and the types of goods that could go in or out. In fact, many observers described Gaza as “an open-air prison.” All of that is before October 7th." B. Sanders https://www.sanders.senate.gov/press-releases/news-amid-humanitarian-di….

harry, whos fault is this?

Palestinian leadership, Hamas? or Israel?

Roadkill wrote:

harrycoopr wrote:

"Let’s be clear: the living conditions in Gaza before October 7th were horrific and inhumane – that was before Hamas ignited the latest war. Before this conflict, in Gaza, nearly 80 percent of people lived in poverty, and two-thirds were reliant on humanitarian assistance. Almost half the population, and over 70 percent of young people, were unemployed in Gaza. What kind of life could they look forward to? Electricity was intermittent, with 11- to 12-hour blackouts every day. Water and sanitation systems were inadequate, and there were constant shortages of all basic necessities. Gaza was mostly cut off from the world, with Israel and Egypt severely limiting the number of people and the types of goods that could go in or out. In fact, many observers described Gaza as “an open-air prison.” All of that is before October 7th." B. Sanders https://www.sanders.senate.gov/press-releases/news-amid-humanitarian-di….

harry, whos fault is this?

Palestinian leadership, Hamas? or Israel?

Israel of course you dope

adam12 wrote:

"@ Adam aka Hamas lover number 5"

Hahaha.

So now you're just a troll as well as an uneducated, smartarsed fuckwit with a big personality disorder.

You didn't comprehend a thing I wrote. How surprising. The quote spelled out that attack cells don't use lawyers and you didn't even understand that.

You are not capable of understanding basic things so I won't bother explaining anything to you.

Keep cheering on Bibi, war criminal, murderer lover number One.

Psychopaths love the work of other psychopaths. You are living proof.

Bet you moved your Jacinta Price poster off your bedroom wall and now toss off to a Bibi one.

You are the most derided and despised person on these threads for a reason, just a fucken sick stupid little boy man with an obsession to try and prove to a bunch of strangers that you are not the dumb arsed king of the dunces you actually deep down fear you are.

I pity your wife and kids, or anyone else forced to interact with you.

I even pity your dog or cat if you have one.

Go bump a Muslim woman at Dandy market to get a reaction again.

Go tell a muslim to their face how much you get off on seeing them slaughtered.

Just like the Dandy market woman, you only have keyboard guts, didn't have the guts to actually do it in real life, just came here to big man yourself where no one gives a fuck and most hate you and your presence here. There's literally thousands of posts saying that. Lack of self awareness another symptom of your personality disorders.

Tell us how people come up and say how great you are on SN again, and other shit you dream of that never happened.

Stupid, racist, disgusting fucking pea brained genocide gaylord.

Dickhead number one, no one comes close.

Keep having a crack. Easy on the keys, you'd shut your mouth in the flesh, I guarantee.

You deliberately try to trigger people, like you did with that little snipe, then lie and say you don't "get involved" in that sort of thing. Another symptom of your childish dullard self delusion.

Well trigger away at me all you want. I actually like it. Gives me a reason to tell you what I think of you.

Fire away keyboard tough guy.

The sad thing adam12 is that these human turds get off on these kinds of reactions as well... very sick puppies indeed

harrycoopr wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

harrycoopr wrote:

"Let’s be clear: the living conditions in Gaza before October 7th were horrific and inhumane – that was before Hamas ignited the latest war. Before this conflict, in Gaza, nearly 80 percent of people lived in poverty, and two-thirds were reliant on humanitarian assistance. Almost half the population, and over 70 percent of young people, were unemployed in Gaza. What kind of life could they look forward to? Electricity was intermittent, with 11- to 12-hour blackouts every day. Water and sanitation systems were inadequate, and there were constant shortages of all basic necessities. Gaza was mostly cut off from the world, with Israel and Egypt severely limiting the number of people and the types of goods that could go in or out. In fact, many observers described Gaza as “an open-air prison.” All of that is before October 7th." B. Sanders https://www.sanders.senate.gov/press-releases/news-amid-humanitarian-di….

harry, whos fault is this?

Palestinian leadership, Hamas? or Israel?

Israel of course you dope

How is it Israel’s fault?

indo-dreaming wrote:

bonza wrote:

GuySmiley wrote:

Gday Bonza, I have another question for you after reflecting on your post ^^^

If it reasonable for the average person to legitimately question the tactics used by the Israeli government and the IDF that has resulted in the death of so many Palestinian civilians as well as the wholesale destruction of critical Gaza infrastructure why aren’t moderate Jewish leaders and peak councils speaking up against the atrocities here and around the world? I ask the question as I seem to remember Islamic leaders did speak out against ISIS and the like as our (western) politicians had demanded, do you remember that?

I wonder whether this apparent silence by moderate Jewish peak councils is seen by the general public as tacit support for the war’s direction in itself …. anyway looking forward to your reply, cheers

HI Guy - Yes of course it reasonable to ask those questions. As do I. I abhor what is going on -I have no idea what the right strategy is. I certainly empathise with Israel and its citizens that just want to protect their country and loved ones and get on with life. Israel packed up and left Gaza back in what 2005? Since then they have been attacked relentlessly by Hamas.

There are plenty of jewish & israeli leaders, intelligentsia & community members that are asking those questions publicly too- as has been posted by jelly and co since day 1. But once again why should the jewish leaders and councils speak out against the Israel government? That is suggesting or linking blame or guilt to the former for the later, which is an antisemitic position.

Yes I remember the "demands". The two situations are very different. Israel is a secular democratic liberal state for starters as are many of their citizens (edit: as in many of thieir citz are secular). Israel citizens and members of the Jewish diaspora do not represent a global security threat unlike islamic jihadists e.g ISIS and Hamas actors, supporters and sympathisers. Islamists who want to kill every jew and apostate and install a global islamic caliphate under sharia law. Islamists who are happy to undertake horrible acts of rape, murder and violence specifically on innocents to do it. It is reasonable, indeed it is the right thing, to "demand" leaders of a religion that preach in our community, that espouse those values and beliefs to demand their faithful refrain from doing so. Every religion has its extremists but its not the faith of the Christians, or Jews or Hindus as to why we take our shoes of every time we wish to pass airport security.

If you were coming into this war not knowing anything it's a legitimate question, but once you know as we all do that Hamas has intentionally woven military infrastructure throughout the Gaza community, then common sense answers things for most people.

And if you still dont understand at that point, then its very easy to actually go educate yourself about urban warfare and what adding the tunnels to the mix means.

Urban warfare being the most dangerous form of war especially for the attacking force, who have a huge disadvantage of coming from the open, being attacked by the enemy who have cover including snipers and with the enemy having the advantage of knowing the terrain and often set traps or put in place game plans based on an area or just set bobby traps and mines.

Adding in the tunnels, further disadvantage's the attacking forces even more, because tunnels can be used to flee if heavy fire or cornered, and double back on the IDF attacking them from behind, or even used to pop up very close to IDF attacking them before fleeing

To fight in a standard method of man to man combat for IDF without preparation of air strokes first, or tank or air support would be complete suicide, hamas would actually win that advantage would weigh heavily in their favour.

So instead the tactic is:

1. Air strikes: to key know Hamas targets like command centres, rocket launching sites, and known tunnel entrance's to weaken the enemy and break enemy order and communication and disorganize and weaken Hamas (this was done for weeks at the start of the war, and was smart that they didnt rush in like Hamas would have wanted, its been suggested USA was behind the stall )

2. Ground attack, with the support of tanks, which basically means where ever enemy fire comes from, its returned by IDF, if its a mass of fighters tanks strike and collapse buildings

Huge dozers go in before tanks to ensure a clear path and clear mines, they are also used to find tunnel entrances.

3. Air Support for ground forces, which means if IDF are in a situation where they are under heavy fire or know where tunnel entrances are because of the movement of IDF, they call in an air strike for support and end the fight.

4. Satellites and drones are used for surveillance even with special computer program's etc that pick up patterns of movement that point to tunnel entrance's/exit's, which are taken out by air strikes or tanks or if area already cleared, ground troops can use explosive's to blow up

Some of the above, actually needs to signed off first by a legal team to ensure rule of law is followed, for instance if they have intel off a command centre in a building, evidence needs to brought forward of why they think there is a command centre there. (i expect this will all be filed and kept as evidence for case's against Israel)

They dont just carpet bomb as some think, but yes certain bombs are not as advanced in targeting as others, so the correct bomb/misele needs to be used for the correct circumstance, depending on the size of target and whats around it.

The aim of war is to defeat the enemy, both sides try to use the advantages they have, and take away any of enemies advatages, that's what IDF have done and only reason they are having some sort of success and only reason why IDF deaths are only 200+ or so.

Dont forget Hamas has been preparing for this war for 18 years or more, its not a battle field thats ever been seen before and one of the hardest to fight in and literally impossible to avoid civilian deaths, the best strategy was to remove them from the areas under attack like they did, the real problem is now most of the people are where IDF still need to clear (Rafia) and one of the most important areas to clear.

If you dont understand all this, you are either brain dead, or you choose not too because it doesn't suit the view you want to hold.

BTW. Why on earth would any Jewish leader need to speak up about a military operation aiming to destroy the threat of a terrorist group to protect the people of Israel???

Most you think would support its people being protected.

All that tripe is just “ Field Marshall Indo moving around a few plastic soldiers and tanks on his bedroom floor !!!”

You love this shit Indo, don’t you ? You are definitely a slow burner. AW

Roadkill wrote:

harrycoopr wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

harrycoopr wrote:

"Let’s be clear: the living conditions in Gaza before October 7th were horrific and inhumane – that was before Hamas ignited the latest war. Before this conflict, in Gaza, nearly 80 percent of people lived in poverty, and two-thirds were reliant on humanitarian assistance. Almost half the population, and over 70 percent of young people, were unemployed in Gaza. What kind of life could they look forward to? Electricity was intermittent, with 11- to 12-hour blackouts every day. Water and sanitation systems were inadequate, and there were constant shortages of all basic necessities. Gaza was mostly cut off from the world, with Israel and Egypt severely limiting the number of people and the types of goods that could go in or out. In fact, many observers described Gaza as “an open-air prison.” All of that is before October 7th." B. Sanders https://www.sanders.senate.gov/press-releases/news-amid-humanitarian-di….

harry, whos fault is this?

Palestinian leadership, Hamas? or Israel?

Israel of course you dope

How is it Israel’s fault?

That question... This is why yr a dope.

harrycoopr wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

harrycoopr wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

harrycoopr wrote:

"Let’s be clear: the living conditions in Gaza before October 7th were horrific and inhumane – that was before Hamas ignited the latest war. Before this conflict, in Gaza, nearly 80 percent of people lived in poverty, and two-thirds were reliant on humanitarian assistance. Almost half the population, and over 70 percent of young people, were unemployed in Gaza. What kind of life could they look forward to? Electricity was intermittent, with 11- to 12-hour blackouts every day. Water and sanitation systems were inadequate, and there were constant shortages of all basic necessities. Gaza was mostly cut off from the world, with Israel and Egypt severely limiting the number of people and the types of goods that could go in or out. In fact, many observers described Gaza as “an open-air prison.” All of that is before October 7th." B. Sanders https://www.sanders.senate.gov/press-releases/news-amid-humanitarian-di….

harry, whos fault is this?

Palestinian leadership, Hamas? or Israel?

Israel of course you dope

How is it Israel’s fault?

That question... This is why yr a dope.

You’re avoiding answering?
Is it too hard an answer for you? You don’t actually have an answer? You’re waiting on someone else to answer so you can hang off their answer?

Roadkill wrote:

harrycoopr wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

harrycoopr wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

harrycoopr wrote:

"Let’s be clear: the living conditions in Gaza before October 7th were horrific and inhumane – that was before Hamas ignited the latest war. Before this conflict, in Gaza, nearly 80 percent of people lived in poverty, and two-thirds were reliant on humanitarian assistance. Almost half the population, and over 70 percent of young people, were unemployed in Gaza. What kind of life could they look forward to? Electricity was intermittent, with 11- to 12-hour blackouts every day. Water and sanitation systems were inadequate, and there were constant shortages of all basic necessities. Gaza was mostly cut off from the world, with Israel and Egypt severely limiting the number of people and the types of goods that could go in or out. In fact, many observers described Gaza as “an open-air prison.” All of that is before October 7th." B. Sanders https://www.sanders.senate.gov/press-releases/news-amid-humanitarian-di….

harry, whos fault is this?

Palestinian leadership, Hamas? or Israel?

Israel of course you dope

How is it Israel’s fault?

That question... This is why yr a dope.

You’re avoiding answering?

Is it too hard an answer for you? You don’t actually have an answer? You’re waiting on someone else to answer so you can hang off their answer?

Dumdumdumdum

harrycoopr wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

harrycoopr wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

harrycoopr wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

harrycoopr wrote:

"Let’s be clear: the living conditions in Gaza before October 7th were horrific and inhumane – that was before Hamas ignited the latest war. Before this conflict, in Gaza, nearly 80 percent of people lived in poverty, and two-thirds were reliant on humanitarian assistance. Almost half the population, and over 70 percent of young people, were unemployed in Gaza. What kind of life could they look forward to? Electricity was intermittent, with 11- to 12-hour blackouts every day. Water and sanitation systems were inadequate, and there were constant shortages of all basic necessities. Gaza was mostly cut off from the world, with Israel and Egypt severely limiting the number of people and the types of goods that could go in or out. In fact, many observers described Gaza as “an open-air prison.” All of that is before October 7th." B. Sanders https://www.sanders.senate.gov/press-releases/news-amid-humanitarian-di….

harry, whos fault is this?

Palestinian leadership, Hamas? or Israel?

Israel of course you dope

How is it Israel’s fault?

That question... This is why yr a dope.

You’re avoiding answering?

Is it too hard an answer for you? You don’t actually have an answer? You’re waiting on someone else to answer so you can hang off their answer?

Dumdumdumdum

Got ya, well thanks, Harry.
Will definitely call on you when we need a complex situation clearly enunciated.

Roadkill wrote:

harrycoopr wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

harrycoopr wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

harrycoopr wrote:

"Let’s be clear: the living conditions in Gaza before October 7th were horrific and inhumane – that was before Hamas ignited the latest war. Before this conflict, in Gaza, nearly 80 percent of people lived in poverty, and two-thirds were reliant on humanitarian assistance. Almost half the population, and over 70 percent of young people, were unemployed in Gaza. What kind of life could they look forward to? Electricity was intermittent, with 11- to 12-hour blackouts every day. Water and sanitation systems were inadequate, and there were constant shortages of all basic necessities. Gaza was mostly cut off from the world, with Israel and Egypt severely limiting the number of people and the types of goods that could go in or out. In fact, many observers described Gaza as “an open-air prison.” All of that is before October 7th." B. Sanders https://www.sanders.senate.gov/press-releases/news-amid-humanitarian-di….

harry, whos fault is this?

Palestinian leadership, Hamas? or Israel?

Israel of course you dope

How is it Israel’s fault?

That question... This is why yr a dope.

You’re avoiding answering?

Is it too hard an answer for you? You don’t actually have an answer? You’re waiting on someone else to answer so you can hang off their answer?

Looks like i gotta spell it out for you again... esp as yr the same dope who didn't support Aboriginal people's Voice... Read yr F%^&N HISTORY dope... not yr youtubers or whatever. Whenever people are unfairly invaded and dispossessed they resist, rebel and revolt. It's that F%^&N SIMPLE dope. Cook claimed Australia as terra nullius when he knew the people already there had sociopolitical systems in place, in which case he was meant to deal with them according to laws at the time. The Poms sold out the Palestinians.... Nothing happens in a vacuum, for no reason... People don't forget being fucked over. Cmon Roadthrill, yr really not that stoopid are you?

harrycoopr wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

harrycoopr wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

harrycoopr wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

harrycoopr wrote:

"Let’s be clear: the living conditions in Gaza before October 7th were horrific and inhumane – that was before Hamas ignited the latest war. Before this conflict, in Gaza, nearly 80 percent of people lived in poverty, and two-thirds were reliant on humanitarian assistance. Almost half the population, and over 70 percent of young people, were unemployed in Gaza. What kind of life could they look forward to? Electricity was intermittent, with 11- to 12-hour blackouts every day. Water and sanitation systems were inadequate, and there were constant shortages of all basic necessities. Gaza was mostly cut off from the world, with Israel and Egypt severely limiting the number of people and the types of goods that could go in or out. In fact, many observers described Gaza as “an open-air prison.” All of that is before October 7th." B. Sanders https://www.sanders.senate.gov/press-releases/news-amid-humanitarian-di….

harry, whos fault is this?

Palestinian leadership, Hamas? or Israel?

Israel of course you dope

How is it Israel’s fault?

That question... This is why yr a dope.

You’re avoiding answering?

Is it too hard an answer for you? You don’t actually have an answer? You’re waiting on someone else to answer so you can hang off their answer?

Looks like i gotta spell it out for you again... esp as yr the same dope who didn't support Aboriginal people's Voice... Read yr F%^&N HISTORY dope... not yr youtubers or whatever. Whenever people are unfairly invaded and dispossessed they resist, rebel and revolt. It's that F%^&N SIMPLE dope. Cook claimed Australia as terra nullius when he knew the people already there had sociopolitical systems in place, in which case he was meant to deal with them according to laws at the time. The Poms sold out the Palestinians.... Nothing happens in a vacuum, for no reason... People don't forget being fucked over. Cmon Roadthrill, yr really not that stoopid are you?

Harry, I never participated in the voice debate. I stayed well clear of the SN threads. You’re hating for the wrong reasons.

Hate me for this thread if you want, no big deal..but at least get your hate facts. correct.

Roadkill wrote:

harrycoopr wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

harrycoopr wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

harrycoopr wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

harrycoopr wrote:

"Let’s be clear: the living conditions in Gaza before October 7th were horrific and inhumane – that was before Hamas ignited the latest war. Before this conflict, in Gaza, nearly 80 percent of people lived in poverty, and two-thirds were reliant on humanitarian assistance. Almost half the population, and over 70 percent of young people, were unemployed in Gaza. What kind of life could they look forward to? Electricity was intermittent, with 11- to 12-hour blackouts every day. Water and sanitation systems were inadequate, and there were constant shortages of all basic necessities. Gaza was mostly cut off from the world, with Israel and Egypt severely limiting the number of people and the types of goods that could go in or out. In fact, many observers described Gaza as “an open-air prison.” All of that is before October 7th." B. Sanders https://www.sanders.senate.gov/press-releases/news-amid-humanitarian-di….

harry, whos fault is this?

Palestinian leadership, Hamas? or Israel?

Israel of course you dope

How is it Israel’s fault?

That question... This is why yr a dope.

You’re avoiding answering?

Is it too hard an answer for you? You don’t actually have an answer? You’re waiting on someone else to answer so you can hang off their answer?

Looks like i gotta spell it out for you again... esp as yr the same dope who didn't support Aboriginal people's Voice... Read yr F%^&N HISTORY dope... not yr youtubers or whatever. Whenever people are unfairly invaded and dispossessed they resist, rebel and revolt. It's that F%^&N SIMPLE dope. Cook claimed Australia as terra nullius when he knew the people already there had sociopolitical systems in place, in which case he was meant to deal with them according to laws at the time. The Poms sold out the Palestinians.... Nothing happens in a vacuum, for no reason... People don't forget being fucked over. Cmon Roadthrill, yr really not that stoopid are you?

Harry, I never participated in the voice debate. I stayed well clear of the SN threads. You’re hating for the wrong reasons.

Hate me for this thread if you want, no big deal..but at least get your hate facts. correct.

If you get yr actual facts right (btw u sound a lot like burleigh)

Ps, the only comment I have made re Aborigines is…

If a % of your population is effected and traumatised by a date that (Australia day) others celebrate. And changing the date will bring less pain..change the date, don’t cause pain when a simple action can show respect.

You are barking up the wrong tree with me there. Other than that..you can fuck off…wanker

harrycoopr wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

harrycoopr wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

harrycoopr wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

harrycoopr wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

harrycoopr wrote:

"Let’s be clear: the living conditions in Gaza before October 7th were horrific and inhumane – that was before Hamas ignited the latest war. Before this conflict, in Gaza, nearly 80 percent of people lived in poverty, and two-thirds were reliant on humanitarian assistance. Almost half the population, and over 70 percent of young people, were unemployed in Gaza. What kind of life could they look forward to? Electricity was intermittent, with 11- to 12-hour blackouts every day. Water and sanitation systems were inadequate, and there were constant shortages of all basic necessities. Gaza was mostly cut off from the world, with Israel and Egypt severely limiting the number of people and the types of goods that could go in or out. In fact, many observers described Gaza as “an open-air prison.” All of that is before October 7th." B. Sanders https://www.sanders.senate.gov/press-releases/news-amid-humanitarian-di….

harry, whos fault is this?

Palestinian leadership, Hamas? or Israel?

Israel of course you dope

How is it Israel’s fault?

That question... This is why yr a dope.

You’re avoiding answering?

Is it too hard an answer for you? You don’t actually have an answer? You’re waiting on someone else to answer so you can hang off their answer?

Looks like i gotta spell it out for you again... esp as yr the same dope who didn't support Aboriginal people's Voice... Read yr F%^&N HISTORY dope... not yr youtubers or whatever. Whenever people are unfairly invaded and dispossessed they resist, rebel and revolt. It's that F%^&N SIMPLE dope. Cook claimed Australia as terra nullius when he knew the people already there had sociopolitical systems in place, in which case he was meant to deal with them according to laws at the time. The Poms sold out the Palestinians.... Nothing happens in a vacuum, for no reason... People don't forget being fucked over. Cmon Roadthrill, yr really not that stoopid are you?

Harry, I never participated in the voice debate. I stayed well clear of the SN threads. You’re hating for the wrong reasons.

Hate me for this thread if you want, no big deal..but at least get your hate facts. correct.

If you get yr actual facts right (btw u sound a lot like burleigh)

Go and fuck yourself…if all else fails…pull the race card. Is all you have.

According to RK Israel is the victim and has never provoked this situation at all even though they are an internationally recognised occupying force in violation of international law. ( you can’t actually wage a defensive conflict over a territory you illegally occupy, but that’s just semantics hey?!) And the Palestinian population should never fight for freedom from oppression because according to the three little war pigs “ might is right” ( I’ve read that phrase in a book about the hells angels. ) Strength and Power. And the best justification for death and destruction , religious ideology, misused to execute a political goal. And these fuckwits blame Hamas wholly and solely. Only recognising symptoms never causation.
Indo might be a cunt but I think RK is more sniveling. And it would appear Harry , yes he is that stoopid/ignorant.

soggydog wrote:

According to RK Israel is the victim and has never provoked this situation at all even though they are an internationally recognised occupying force in violation of international law. ( you can’t actually wage a defensive conflict over a territory you illegally occupy, but that’s just semantics hey?!) And the Palestinian population should never fight for freedom from oppression because according to the three little war pigs “ might is right” ( I’ve read that phrase in a book about the hells angels. ) Strength and Power. And the best justification for death and destruction , religious ideology, misused to execute a political goal. And these fuckwits blame Hamas wholly and solely. Only recognising symptoms never causation.

Indo might be a cunt but I think RK is more sniveling. And it would appear Harry , yes he is that stoopid/ignorant.

Soggybiscuit, still butt hurt about your not being on social media post posted on social media? Stooopid.lol

Roadkill wrote:

soggydog wrote:

According to RK Israel is the victim and has never provoked this situation at all even though they are an internationally recognised occupying force in violation of international law. ( you can’t actually wage a defensive conflict over a territory you illegally occupy, but that’s just semantics hey?!) And the Palestinian population should never fight for freedom from oppression because according to the three little war pigs “ might is right” ( I’ve read that phrase in a book about the hells angels. ) Strength and Power. And the best justification for death and destruction , religious ideology, misused to execute a political goal. And these fuckwits blame Hamas wholly and solely. Only recognising symptoms never causation.

Indo might be a cunt but I think RK is more sniveling. And it would appear Harry , yes he is that stoopid/ignorant.

Soggybiscuit, still butt hurt about your not being on social media post posted on social media? Stooopid.lol

No need for further confirmation pigcunt
As you where.

harrycoopr wrote:

"Let’s be clear: the living conditions in Gaza before October 7th were horrific and inhumane – that was before Hamas ignited the latest war. Before this conflict, in Gaza, nearly 80 percent of people lived in poverty, and two-thirds were reliant on humanitarian assistance. Almost half the population, and over 70 percent of young people, were unemployed in Gaza. What kind of life could they look forward to? Electricity was intermittent, with 11- to 12-hour blackouts every day. Water and sanitation systems were inadequate, and there were constant shortages of all basic necessities. Gaza was mostly cut off from the world, with Israel and Egypt severely limiting the number of people and the types of goods that could go in or out. In fact, many observers described Gaza as “an open-air prison.” All of that is before October 7th." B. Sanders https://www.sanders.senate.gov/press-releases/news-amid-humanitarian-di….

Open air prison?

https://www.memri.org/reports/parts-i-viii-face-suffocating-occupation-…

soggydog wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

soggydog wrote:

According to RK Israel is the victim and has never provoked this situation at all even though they are an internationally recognised occupying force in violation of international law. ( you can’t actually wage a defensive conflict over a territory you illegally occupy, but that’s just semantics hey?!) And the Palestinian population should never fight for freedom from oppression because according to the three little war pigs “ might is right” ( I’ve read that phrase in a book about the hells angels. ) Strength and Power. And the best justification for death and destruction , religious ideology, misused to execute a political goal. And these fuckwits blame Hamas wholly and solely. Only recognising symptoms never causation.

Indo might be a cunt but I think RK is more sniveling. And it would appear Harry , yes he is that stoopid/ignorant.

Soggybiscuit, still butt hurt about your not being on social media post posted on social media? Stooopid.lol

No need for further confirmation pigcunt

As you where.

Oh jeeezes.
Where? Here? There? Where were you? Lmao

Can confirm Roady stayed well out of it,(the Voice etc) and was pretty respectful about it all.

bonza wrote:

harrycoopr wrote:

"Let’s be clear: the living conditions in Gaza before October 7th were horrific and inhumane – that was before Hamas ignited the latest war. Before this conflict, in Gaza, nearly 80 percent of people lived in poverty, and two-thirds were reliant on humanitarian assistance. Almost half the population, and over 70 percent of young people, were unemployed in Gaza. What kind of life could they look forward to? Electricity was intermittent, with 11- to 12-hour blackouts every day. Water and sanitation systems were inadequate, and there were constant shortages of all basic necessities. Gaza was mostly cut off from the world, with Israel and Egypt severely limiting the number of people and the types of goods that could go in or out. In fact, many observers described Gaza as “an open-air prison.” All of that is before October 7th." B. Sanders https://www.sanders.senate.gov/press-releases/news-amid-humanitarian-di….

Open air prison?

https://www.memri.org/reports/parts-i-viii-face-suffocating-occupation-…

When yr freedoms and rights of passage on yr own land are restricted/curtailed what does that sound like u dork. Are u also really that stoooooopid?

Good chat

southernraw wrote:

Can confirm Roady stayed well out of it,(the Voice etc) and was pretty respectful about it all.

Sounds like burleigh to me... ive heard these trolls have several aliases on here to pat themselves on the back. Anyway Roathrill really does come across as a complete idiot.

Roadkill wrote:

harrycoopr wrote:

"Let’s be clear: the living conditions in Gaza before October 7th were horrific and inhumane – that was before Hamas ignited the latest war. Before this conflict, in Gaza, nearly 80 percent of people lived in poverty, and two-thirds were reliant on humanitarian assistance. Almost half the population, and over 70 percent of young people, were unemployed in Gaza. What kind of life could they look forward to? Electricity was intermittent, with 11- to 12-hour blackouts every day. Water and sanitation systems were inadequate, and there were constant shortages of all basic necessities. Gaza was mostly cut off from the world, with Israel and Egypt severely limiting the number of people and the types of goods that could go in or out. In fact, many observers described Gaza as “an open-air prison.” All of that is before October 7th." B. Sanders https://www.sanders.senate.gov/press-releases/news-amid-humanitarian-di….

harry, whos fault is this?

Palestinian leadership, Hamas? or Israel?

meanwhile...

hamas leadership live like millionaires

literally...

billionaires even

priorities...

all about priorities!

and yeh, the 'black arm band' really should get their facts straight too...

"...Cook claimed Australia as terra nullius when he knew the people already there had sociopolitical systems in place..."

pretty sure new information to light shows cook to not be the big bad baddy 'history' has made him out to be...

all that hating on him is totally misplaced

pretty sure recent revelations by way of ship logs showed he actually respected and advocated for aboriginal people. it was crew up the chain of command that ignored him

but yeh, that's a bit inconvenient for the hate machine that has formed around the cook 'story'

ya really wanna update that 'narrative' if you want people to believe the huff and bluff

sypkan wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

harrycoopr wrote:

"Let’s be clear: the living conditions in Gaza before October 7th were horrific and inhumane – that was before Hamas ignited the latest war. Before this conflict, in Gaza, nearly 80 percent of people lived in poverty, and two-thirds were reliant on humanitarian assistance. Almost half the population, and over 70 percent of young people, were unemployed in Gaza. What kind of life could they look forward to? Electricity was intermittent, with 11- to 12-hour blackouts every day. Water and sanitation systems were inadequate, and there were constant shortages of all basic necessities. Gaza was mostly cut off from the world, with Israel and Egypt severely limiting the number of people and the types of goods that could go in or out. In fact, many observers described Gaza as “an open-air prison.” All of that is before October 7th." B. Sanders https://www.sanders.senate.gov/press-releases/news-amid-humanitarian-di….

harry, whos fault is this?

Palestinian leadership, Hamas? or Israel?

meanwhile...

hamas leadership live like millionaires

literally...

billionaires even

Haha. Nah doubt that one harry. Not burlz.
Love your work though.
Roady and i may not see eye to eye on this particular issue, but in the balance of fairness, gotta back him up on the non racist aspect of his positions.
Been enjoying reading yours and others input. Good to see ya back.

sypkan wrote:

and yeh, the 'black arm band' really should get their facts straight too...

"...Cook claimed Australia as terra nullius when he knew the people already there had sociopolitical systems in place..."

pretty sure new information to light shows cook to not be the big bad baddy 'history' has made him out to be...

all that hating on him is totally misplaced

pretty sure recent revelations by way of ship logs showed he actually respected and advocated for aboriginal people. it was crew up the chain of command that ignored him

but yeh, that's a bit inconvenient for the hate machine that has formed around the cook 'story'

ya really wanna update that 'narrative' if you want people to believe the huff and bluff

Well sickpan, Cook even realised that the blackfellas were much healthier than the poor bastards in slumtown industrial Britain and seemed to enjoy life a lot more... whether Cook had the terra nullius call or it came from higher up (which it did) is basically beside the point... Cookie made the call knowing it was bullshit and planted the flag... booyeh!

As for Palestinian superyachts, sounds very much like internet photoshop conspiracy sleuthing... seems Info and others believe any bullshit they read on there.

It's all very simple ya bunch of clowns... fuck people over and they'll return the favour. See what u guys do when Chy-Na takes over and rapes and pillages yr precious ones and things... no doubt you'll be banding together as Ozmas as would be yr right

harrycoopr wrote:

As for Palestinian superyachts, sounds very much like internet photoshop conspiracy sleuthing... seems Info and others believe any bullshit they read on there.

https://mackenzieinstitute.com/2023/11/hamass-top-leaders-are-worth-bil…

https://nypost.com/2023/11/07/news/hamas-leaders-worth-11bn-live-luxury…

southernraw wrote:

Haha. Nah doubt that one harry. Not burlz.

Love your work though.

Roady and i may not see eye to eye on this particular issue, but in the balance of fairness, gotta back him up on the non racist aspect of his positions.

Been enjoying reading yours and others input. Good to see ya back.

Hey Southern... yeah, I tell myself u cant argue with fools but just like the Voice business I can't help myself when I read the warped and often sick logic that perpetuates injustice, deciet and just plain falsehoods. When sickpan says "black arm band" view of history you just know what's coming next... poor me mr privilege how dare u attack my ancestors and history... well Might aint Right and White ain't Might tho whiteys always seem to think they're right and superior. Whatever Sergeant Info raves on about is usually apologist ranting...

Roadkill wrote:

Ps, the only comment I have made re Aborigines is…

If a % of your population is effected and traumatised by a date that (Australia day) others celebrate. And changing the date will bring less pain..change the date, don’t cause pain when a simple action can show respect.

You are barking up the wrong tree with me there. Other than that..you can fuck off…wanker

Touche douche

gsco mkII wrote:

harrycoopr wrote:

As for Palestinian superyachts, sounds very much like internet photoshop conspiracy sleuthing... seems Info and others believe any bullshit they read on there.

https://mackenzieinstitute.com/2023/11/hamass-top-leaders-are-worth-bil…

https://nypost.com/2023/11/07/news/hamas-leaders-worth-11bn-live-luxury…

"Netanyahu fucks his own mother" https:/It's-the-truth-cos-it's-on-the-internet-udopeswillbelieveanything.html

Propoganda Central bought to you by costco... the cheapest bastard on here

Winny Cooper, i can't believe you though i was the Dill. we are the exact opposite humans. He's a wanker and i'm not.

burleigh wrote:

Winny Cooper, i can't believe you though i was the Dill. we are the exact opposite humans. He's a wanker and i'm not.

Sorry burley... it just sounded so much like yr pitiful white is right bullshit over the Voice bizz

I put 'black arm band' in inverted commas because I don't know what to call you...

what is it?

ally... comrade... advocate... wanker?

you see, from my understanding captain cook - at least now it seems - was more an 'ally' than aspiring overlord...

so I think you need to update your 'narrative' champ

because when I see a bunch of crew celebrating the toppling of a statue in melbourne... i generally think 'wankers'

clueless wankers...

that really really need to update their material

but whatever... its all only about symbolism it seems...

some crew love that shit

and, as to hamas leaders are not living in riches...

bahahahahahahahshahahahaha...

wanker

clueless wanker...

Another dodgy Al Jazeera reporter linked to Hamas.

Media watch - dreaming ^^^

sypkan wrote:

I put 'black arm band' in inverted commas because I don't know what to call you...

what is it?

ally... comrade... advocate... wanker?

you see, from my understanding captain cook - at least now it seems - was more an 'ally' than aspiring overlord...

so I think you need to update your 'narrative' champ

because when I see a bunch of crew celebrating the toppling of a statue in melbourne... i generally think 'wankers'

clueless wankers...

that really really need to update their material

but whatever... its all only about symbolism it seems...

some crew love that shit

and, as to hamas leaders are not living in riches...

bahahahahahahahshahahahaha...

wanker

clueless wanker...

Oh sickpan... u poor thing. You don't read too well huh? Ah well, keep believing your own propaganda driven narrative. Stick with ya dopey mates who reinforce your belief that yr not a clueless wanker, that yr not a fukwit... self-delusion goes a long way for the likes of your type.

"Al Jazeera are Hamas", "Hamas leaders are wealthy",
All good reasons for mass murdering innocent children and women in Gaza., mass displacement of civilian populations, ignoring the rules of war, humanitarian law, UN resolutions.
Excellent defences to the crime of Genocide.
In fact, the 'Genocide' definition in the Genocide Convention Israel participated in establishing and signed on to contains the exceptions "not Genocide if reporters of Genocide are accused of being members of terrorist group", and "not Genocide if terror group leadership has net worth exceeding $X".

The logic of the pea brained sociopaths on this thread is second to none.
Straw clutching is the diversionary tactic of the imbecilic, the witless and the pathetic.
Well done.
If an enemy ever bombs your home and kills your family I'm sure you'll be all good with it, because Albo owns investment properties and Andrew Bolt works for a foreign national.
Fucken idiots.

adam12 wrote:

On the subject of misinformation.

Both Haaretz and the Times of Israel reported the two hostages rescued from Rafah this week had been released in December and again on Feb 2.

https://twitter.com/anontyoine/status/1757385319974887637

https://twitter.com/mellow_elephant/status/1757382861802398040

https://twitter.com/ProTeneb/status/1757372916188991506

No western media is allowed into Gaza by the IDF. Independent verification of facts is difficult and both sides could be accused of misinformation.

I have no idea whether the December and Feb 2 reports were true or mistaken.

Neither were later corrected by the Israeli media outlets.

I don't have the time or inclination to look further into this. Could maybe be a job for TBB to do one of his deep dives into. He's pretty good at that type of thing.

There is some misreporting going on somewhere in relation to what happened to these two men.

This was always obviously fake and just pro hamas misinformation, but here it is busted.

What price info?
How many civilians killed is good in your knucklehead here on end?
What depth of human misery?

When the IDF do this to your colleges, the logical thing to do would be to support them, fuck, even sign on to join them. So they can shoot some more.
https://twitter.com/AJEnglish/status/1757482953968382185.

Fuck off @indo

@Indo'
"This was always obviously fake and just pro hamas misinformation, but here it is busted."

Again, comprehension of a rock.
Read my post fuckhead, I questioned the reports myself.
If you had read it correctly you would see the reports were in Haraatz and The Times of Israel.
Both are Israeli news outlets.
So you are accusing them of pro Hamas misinformation.

Fuck off this thread until you learn to read and understand through your psyhcopathic blindness.
Actually, don't fuck off, keep staying and posting and making a fucking idiot of yourself with your genocidal fan girl displays. It's sick, but kind of amusing to me.

"If you had read it correctly you would see the reports were in Haraatz and The Times of Israel.
Both are Israeli news outlets.
So you are accusing them of pro Hamas misinformation."

You didn't watch the video did you?

It's 2024 it's very easy for anyone with even basic skills to take a screenshot of an article or webpage and change the date or headline (both were done) or even create a complete fake article.

Clearly the 12 stands for brain of a 12 year old.

It’s not genocide Adam.

By inferring Israel’s actions to be genocide it’s not only incorrect, slanderous and dangerous, it’s also anti semitic. That language and other genocidal accusations (harry used the “final solution” earlier - charming) encourages more hate and violence towards the Jewish people. Recent Australian jew list case in point.

Those who do so distract from the actual real genocidal acts and intent Hamas aim to inflict on the Jewish people not just in Israel.

https://holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-definition-antisemit…

“Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis”.

Fk off Bonza.
I have a Law Degree with majors in International Law.
I call it Genocide. It's my qualified legal opinion.
What are you qualified in?
The World Court calls it Genocide. Prima Facie. The final judgement will be conclusive.
Read the Genocide Convention then get back to me.
And don't call me antisemitic either fuckwad. You don't know me.
Accusing Israel's government of war crimes amounting to genocide is not antisemitic., it is my opinion based on my knowledge of International Law. Learn the meaning of that word as well before you start accusing people of it. I don't give a fuck that they are Jews, Muslims, Hindu, Atheist or Agnostic.
Facts are facts, the law is the law.
Religion has no bearing on the crime.
Don't ever call me that here again.

lol. You need to step away from the internet mate. It’s not good for you.

“The crime of genocide was codified by the United Nations in 1946 with the passage of General Assembly Resolution 96, defined as “a denial of the right of existence of entire human groups, as homicide is the denial of the right to live of individual human beings.”

In 1948, the UN General Assembly passed its “Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide,” which refers to five distinct acts, the commission of any one of which constitutes the crime of genocide: (1) killing members of the group in question; (2) causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (3) deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; (4) imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; (5) forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

So yeah it’s just your opinion. Brush up on your major big fella.
it’s not genocide and it’s antisemitic.

Gunna threaten to beat me up too Adam ? Thicken that skin. Drop the bully antics and converse like an adult. Much better for the stress. Along with my lawyering I doctor on the side too.

https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/209873?ln=en&ref=quillette.com

https://www.refworld.org/legal/agreements/unga/1948/en/13495

@Bonza, And if you don't think that the Israeli's and the IDF haven't ticked all those boxes then you need to step away yourself and have a look at the facts on the ground.
But don't take my opinion, take the opinion of the World Court. The most eminent Justices on the planet.
Tell me where Israels actions fall outside the definition?
Be interested to read your thoughts.