2022 Election
“Firstly nothing is to prove a point, it's the system,..”
I respectfully disagree with you there Indo, it was a deliberate decision. The system has been built around the same premise: “to send a message” is the favoured turn of phrase I believe. I also disagree with your perspective that we are “generous”, we are one of very few nations who think it is okay to refuse the rights of refugees if they come by boat. Again the only argument is to send a message.
I do agree with you in that it should have been dealt with much sooner.
FYI Indo. Family still in Perth. Father now working as a chef. Kids at school.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-06/biloela-family-speaks-on-fourth-…
Dutton flood funds flow to unregistered group with links to office https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/dutton-flood-funds…. Applications for money from an online flood support fundraiser by federal Defence Minister Peter Dutton are being directed through a password protected section of his Liberal National Party-branded website, alongside links to other official government programs.
Mr Dutton, who holds the seat of Dickson in Brisbane’s north, has also named a small community group with close links to him as the beneficiary of the $28,962 raised for his electorate, despite it not being listed with the national register
Optimist wrote:
Unemployment down to 3.7% the lowest in 50 years so it’s looks like beside all the whinging Australia is going very well under the current government and will be in a position to pump cash into more projects to address the challenges of the future….so why risk changing things?…if it aint broke or woke don’t change it.
Right up there with the least informed opinion. Well done, Optimist.
Unemployment rate entirely due to reduced immigration. ENTIRELY.
As a cute little redhead once said to Jon Snow, ‘You know nothing’.
Better to keep quiet and wonder about how stupid you are, than to open your mouth and confirm it.
“If it ain’t broke….”
Optimist, it is as broke as it gets, there is nothing this government has done well. Zero. Zilch, Nada. Instead of looking at accidental happy accidents, happy for you to inform me of any actual POLICY that the LNP has implemented that led to positive outcomes. I’ll grant you JobKeeper, except for the fact that they sent billions of dollars to companies that increased their profits. Even when they accidentally do the right thing, they do it wrong.
You, and Indo, have nothing substantive to add to the conversation.
But don’t think or claim that you’re being cancelled, snowflakes. I’m just disagreeing with you, because ‘you know nothing.’
blackers wrote:
“Firstly nothing is to prove a point, it's the system,..”
I respectfully disagree with you there Indo, it was a deliberate decision. The system has been built around the same premise: “to send a message” is the favoured turn of phrase I believe. I also disagree with your perspective that we are “generous”, we are one of very few nations who think it is okay to refuse the rights of refugees if they come by boat. Again the only argument is to send a message.
I do agree with you in that it should have been dealt with much sooner.
It's got noting to do with what your saying, it doesn't have anything to do with actually entry to Australia or boats, they were already here living in the Australian community on a temporary protection visa with the agreement and understanding when its deemed safe to return home they would.
Once it was deemed safe to return home they are no longer legally classified as refugees.
The real problem is we have a large number of refugee advocates with support of dodgy lawyers etc that intentionally stir up trouble, many most likely with political motives. (although im sure if Labor were in they would do the same)
It does nobody any favours not Australians, not LNP, not Labor and not true refugees.
Whats to stop other refugee advocate groups funding future legal cases and doing the same thing again?
Is it then fair that some people get to stay even though it's deemed safe to return and others dont based on a popularity contest won with refugee advocates that will fund your legal case???
In a sense its a type of corruption, if you have the support and money from refugee advocates you can get a free pass and not play by the rules applied to others.
This case is pretty important in that sense, it sets a real important precedent.
If they are allowed to stay the only thing that would deter others from doing the same if refugee advocates offered to back them is the time it took and all the hassle.
But if Albo gets in and gives them a free pass, then a very different message will be sent, refugee advocates will believe Albo will do the same for every case they put forward.
If that happens which you would expect would, Albo will then have to make a decision to let the courts sort it out as they should or just give another free pass.
And if he gives another free pass, well what's to stop another and another and eventually the system is pointless to have, if you then scrap the system you then hurts true refugees who appreciate the temporary protection given and happily return home,
Interesting space to watch in the future, if they aren't sent home before the election.
batfink wrote:
Unemployment down to 3.7% the lowest in 50 years so it’s looks like beside all the whinging Australia is going very well under the current government and will be in a position to pump cash into more projects to address the challenges of the future….so why risk changing things?…if it aint broke or woke don’t change it.Right up there with the least informed opinion. Well done, Optimist.
Unemployment rate entirely due to reduced immigration. ENTIRELY.
As a cute little redhead once said to Jon Snow, ‘You know nothing’.
Better to keep quiet and wonder about how stupid you are, than to open your mouth and confirm it.
“If it ain’t broke….”
Optimist, it is as broke as it gets, there is nothing this government has done well. Zero. Zilch, Nada. Instead of looking at accidental happy accidents, happy for you to inform me of any actual POLICY that the LNP has implemented that led to positive outcomes. I’ll grant you JobKeeper, except for the fact that they sent billions of dollars to companies that increased their profits. Even when they accidentally do the right thing, they do it wrong.
You, and Indo, have nothing substantive to add to the conversation.
But don’t think or claim that you’re being cancelled, snowflakes. I’m just disagreeing with you, because ‘you know nothing.’
100% reduced immigration has had a big effect.(the big spike) but you can clearly see things were also very good before Covid.
For the third time i will post this (as no on this page) this is very relevant to unemployment rates, these are the facts that dont care about your feelings.
See the clear trend between Labor and LNP too Mr Batfink?
Indo, your straw man arguments are as tedious as they are misinformed.
Indo and opti, it's no point arguing with these morons. If the sky was blue and the surf was pumping they'd still find reason to be miserable. Let it go.
Shows over after that budget delivery , smirko didn’t even appear that interested.
The self implosion is coming , not happy jan .
Liberal senator Concetta Fierravanti-Wells just launched an incredible attack on PM Scott Morrison and Alex Hawke in the Senate - says Morrison is “not fit to be Prime Minister” and claims he and Hawke “destroyed the Liberal Party in NSW” pic.twitter.com/P1JGVSC1Kv
— Josh Butler (@JoshButler) March 29, 2022
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/mar/29/scott-morrison-l…
The Beetroot spoke highly of Scomo as well...
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.abc.net.au/article/100807836
Geez Scomo must be a piece of work....
A great summary from Annabel Crabb.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-30/2022-budget-is-the-yin-to-2014s-…
Annabels was a well paid inner city person point of view summary…..regional people see things differently especially electric cars etc…the budget seems fair and without obvious bribery, just the usual cost of living top ups for battlers. He does pretty well for the cards he has been dealt.
Optimist wrote:
the budget seems fair and without obvious bribery
40% of NSW's infrastructure spending going to a marginal seat that's held by Labor.
Is that not obvious enough for you..?
stunet wrote:
the budget seems fair and without obvious bribery40% of NSW's infrastructure spending going to a marginal seat that's held by Labor.
Is that not obvious enough for you..?
Maybe a baptism is needed ? And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.
Acts 9:18 (KJV)
I think you’ll find nearly all the money is to fix the train lines. They need a serious revamp in that area and had to be done no matter who was in.
Cockee wrote:
Indo and opti, it's no point arguing with these morons. If the sky was blue and the surf was pumping they'd still find reason to be miserable. Let it go.
100% you can point out things with independent real life graphs and figures, black and white facts on things that really matter like the heath of the economy and unemployment rates, but they will come back with things like
"Indo, your straw man arguments are as tedious as they are misinformed."
Like Optimist said yesterday.
"If it aint broke and it aint woke, dont fix it"
But hey lets flip a coin to see if Labor can do half as good job, even if history shows us odds are against it.
indo-dreaming wrote:
Indo and opti, it's no point arguing with these morons. If the sky was blue and the surf was pumping they'd still find reason to be miserable. Let it go.100% you can point out things with independent real life graphs and figures, black and white facts on things that really matter like the heath of the economy and unemployment rates, but they will come back with things like
"Indo, your straw man arguments are as tedious as they are misinformed."
Like Optimist said yesterday.
"If it aint broke and it aint woke, dont fix it"
But hey lets flip a coin to see if Labor can do half as good job, even if history shows us odds are against it.
If the LNP are doing such a good job then they will be voted back in . People won’t vote them out just because they want change for changes sake or to see how labor would go. Cost of living is going up further, interest rates will be increasing and wages aren’t really going anywhere. Again if the LNP are doing such a fantastic job then they will be voted back in .
"If it aint broke dont fix it"
But that's the thing isn't it? That a great many people, and seemingly on both sides of politics, perceive that something IS wrong, if not with the federal govt then with Australian politics in general.
That you've got sober politicians such as John Alexander bemoaning rampant pork barreling is telling. And all that wasted money comes at the cost of real nation building - long term projects planned over many election cycles. No federal govt in history has been as shameless with appropriating public money to hold onto power as the current LNP.
Not sure if Alexander's suggestion to take infrastructure spending away from politicians is a good thing or not, however something has to change.
Alexander also decried the continuing lack of federal ICAC and that's a blight upon our federal politics. The lack of accountability is so rampant that the public seems to have given up caring, and that's a dangerous shift.
If a wave of independents get in, as some predict, it'll be a profound message to the major parties and hopefully we can shut the door on this chapter of Australian politics.
Watching LNP voters bemoan the 'stupidity' of Australians voting in a Labor Govt. is almost as much fun as watching Morrison's government imploding.
Good times.
" If it ain't broke, why fix it?"
Reckon if we get a proper ICAC up and running those words will ring pretty hollow. Unless you are happy with the blatant corruption, and I would guess criminal activity taking place with the current LNP?
Yup, clearly there are differing expectations of our governments, including ethical and moral considerations. To dismiss such concerns as simply being "woke" is as pathetic as thinking some cherry-picked data or some you-tube warrior's video tells a black and white story. Plenty of contrary opinions can be found and the people will get their say soon enough.
thermalben, thanks for linking the Annabel Crabb article. Enjoyed it.
Sorry and apologise for the kick in the groin,
Like Optimist said yesterday.
"If it aint broke and it aint woke, dont fix it"
Isn't this latest budget looking more like a Labor one and totally "woke".
stunet wrote:
"If it aint broke dont fix it"
But that's the thing isn't it? That a great many people, and seemingly on both sides of politics, perceive that something IS wrong, if not with the federal govt then with Australian politics in general.
That you've got sober politicians such as John Alexander bemoaning rampant pork barreling is telling. And all that wasted money comes at the cost of real nation building - long term projects planned over many election cycles. No federal govt in history has been as shameless with appropriating public money to hold onto power as the current LNP.
Not sure if Alexander's suggestion to take infrastructure spending away from politicians is a good thing or not, however something has to change.
Alexander also decried the continuing lack of federal ICAC and that's a blight upon our federal politics. The lack of accountability is so rampant that the public seems to have given up caring, and that's a dangerous shift.
If a wave of independents get in, as some predict, it'll be a profound message to the major parties and hopefully we can shut the door on this chapter of Australian politics.
I guess it's a matter of opinion on whats important?
Do you vote on these side issues or whats really important like the economy and jobs?
Personally I vote on the economy and jobs this is the cake its the substance..
Im not interested some much in the icing, which always looks pretty to begin with but often melts in time.
Budget papers clearly indicate that this government intends to run deficits for the remainder of the decade. I wish I was in such a privileged position with my personal finances.
https://budget.gov.au/2022-23/content/bp1/download/bp1_bs-3.pdf
indo-dreaming wrote:
"If it aint broke dont fix it"But that's the thing isn't it? That a great many people, and seemingly on both sides of politics, perceive that something IS wrong, if not with the federal govt then with Australian politics in general.
That you've got sou ber politicians such as John Alexander bemoaning rampant pork barreling is telling. And all that wasted money comes at the cost of real nation building - long term projects planned over many election cycles. No federal govt in history has been as shameless with appropriating public money to hold onto power as the current LNP.
Not sure if Alexander's suggestion to take infrastructure spending away from politicians is a good thing or not, however something has to change.
Alexander also decried the continuing lack of federal ICAC and that's a blight upon our federal politics. The lack of accountability is so rampant that the public seems to have given up caring, and that's a dangerous shift.
If a wave of independents get in, as some predict, it'll be a profound message to the major parties and hopefully we can shut the door on this chapter of Australian politics.
I guess it's a matter of opinion on whats important?
Do you vote on these side issues or whats really important like the economy and jobs?
Personally I vote on the economy and jobs this is the cake its the substance..
Im not interested some much in the icing, which always looks pretty to begin with but often melts in time.
.... all paid for on the national credit card - debt now est. at $1.2 trillion. You run your house on a debt laden credit card @info??
Here's the latest
https://www.roymorgan.com/findings/8927-federal-voting-intention-final-…
GuySmiley wrote:
"If it aint broke dont fix it"But that's the thing isn't it? That a great many people, and seemingly on both sides of politics, perceive that something IS wrong, if not with the federal govt then with Australian politics in general.
That you've got sou ber politicians such as John Alexander bemoaning rampant pork barreling is telling. And all that wasted money comes at the cost of real nation building - long term projects planned over many election cycles. No federal govt in history has been as shameless with appropriating public money to hold onto power as the current LNP.
Not sure if Alexander's suggestion to take infrastructure spending away from politicians is a good thing or not, however something has to change.
Alexander also decried the continuing lack of federal ICAC and that's a blight upon our federal politics. The lack of accountability is so rampant that the public seems to have given up caring, and that's a dangerous shift.
If a wave of independents get in, as some predict, it'll be a profound message to the major parties and hopefully we can shut the door on this chapter of Australian politics.
I guess it's a matter of opinion on whats important?
Do you vote on these side issues or whats really important like the economy and jobs?
Personally I vote on the economy and jobs this is the cake its the substance..
Im not interested some much in the icing, which always looks pretty to begin with but often melts in time.
.... all paid for on the national credit card - debt now est. at $1.2 trillion. You run your house on a debt laden credit card @info??
Not completely true more a combination of factors like immigration, policy, and yeah spending.
But if your going to spend money on something its not a bad area to spend it on especially in a period of low interest rates, the whole MMT thing has been discussed here a few times, it's hard to wrap your head around it all and im not 100% convinced but it does seem like the rules have changed a little bit and most are accepting that countries aren't run like a household as we have traditional viewed things.
As we all know what is really important is debt to GDP and If you compare us to the rest of the world there is about 120 countries ahead of us with a higher debt to GDP ratio.
We are at 41% for perspective here is a few relevant countries Japan tops the list.
Japan=247%
Singapore=109%
USA= 106%
Canada=88%
UK=85%
Most European countries are above us and only a few below us as is NZ.
So it's not like we are being reckless in our approach.
Source of figures https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/countries-by-national-debt
And China 300% debt to GDP….it costs a lot to buy the world and its politicians.
So having so much debt is a good thing now?? What complete and utter claptrap. What happened to Abott’s “Debt and Deficit Disaster” ??
GuySmiley wrote:
So having so much debt is a good thing now?? What complete and utter claptrap. What happened to Abott’s “Debt and Deficit Disaster” ??
Nobody is suggesting debts a good thing, more that how economies and debt is managed and viewed is different to how it traditionally once was.
And off course there is times when its a good thing to borrow, like when interest rates are low and the economy needs a little help, and times when it wouldn't be such a good time to borrow like if interest rates are high and the need to borrow wasn't as great.
BTW. Optimist, Chinas debt to GDP ratio is surprising only a bit over 55%
Start at 2min if ya don't want Jordies intro...
She is meant to be on Scomo's team...
Pit of vipers....
indo-dreaming wrote:
"If it aint broke dont fix it"But that's the thing isn't it? That a great many people, and seemingly on both sides of politics, perceive that something IS wrong, if not with the federal govt then with Australian politics in general.
That you've got sou ber politicians such as John Alexander bemoaning rampant pork barreling is telling. And all that wasted money comes at the cost of real nation building - long term projects planned over many election cycles. No federal govt in history has been as shameless with appropriating public money to hold onto power as the current LNP.
Not sure if Alexander's suggestion to take infrastructure spending away from politicians is a good thing or not, however something has to change.
Alexander also decried the continuing lack of federal ICAC and that's a blight upon our federal politics. The lack of accountability is so rampant that the public seems to have given up caring, and that's a dangerous shift.
If a wave of independents get in, as some predict, it'll be a profound message to the major parties and hopefully we can shut the door on this chapter of Australian politics.
I guess it's a matter of opinion on whats important?
Do you vote on these side issues or whats really important like the economy and jobs?
Personally I vote on the economy and jobs this is the cake its the substance..
Im not interested some much in the icing, which always looks pretty to begin with but often melts in time.
.... all paid for on the national credit card - debt now est. at $1.2 trillion. You run your house on a debt laden credit card @info??
Not completely true more a combination of factors like immigration, policy, and yeah spending.
But if your going to spend money on something its not a bad area to spend it on especially in a period of low interest rates, the whole MMT thing has been discussed here a few times, it's hard to wrap your head around it all and im not 100% convinced but it does seem like the rules have changed a little bit and most are accepting that countries aren't run like a household as we have traditional viewed things.
As we all know what is really important is debt to GDP and If you compare us to the rest of the world there is about 120 countries ahead of us with a higher debt to GDP ratio.
We are at 41% for perspective here is a few relevant countries Japan tops the list.
Japan=247%
Singapore=109%
USA= 106%
Canada=88%
UK=85%Most European countries are above us and only a few below us as is NZ.
So it's not like we are being reckless in our approach.
Source of figures https://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/countries-by-national-debt
MMT works when tax payers money used to invest in projects that have multiplier effect. Not when $40 billion given to profitable companies.....
Swan did well with insulation and school halls not giving money to donors.... Big difference.
Those school facilities still being used today, created employment and injected money into economy quickly. My home warm in winter, cool in summer thanks to those pink bats.
Dividends paid to Harvey Norman shareholders by tax payers really is not MMT.
25,000,000 people in Aust. and we have to choose between Scotty from marketing and Elmer Fudd. Where are the Paul Keatings when you need them.
Stop it Old dog, people speak highly of Keating but under him when I was working 70 hours a week I was paying 51% tax and home loan interest rates were 17%….also he got busted not paying his own income tax for 2 years because he was making a killing ( pardon the pun) selling pork from his piggeries in indo….he must have done something good but I can’t recall what it was.
@ Andy
Really i have to say you have balls to bring up the pick batts scheme, we know what a disaster that was.
"Royal Commission says insulation deaths were fault of the government’s program"
https://theconversation.com/royal-commission-says-insulation-deaths-wer…
old-dog wrote:
25,000,000 people in Aust. and we have to choose between Scotty from marketing and Elmer Fudd. Where are the Paul Keatings when you need them.
Honest to god, id rather vote for Albo than Keating, Keating was the worst PM of our time even worst than Krudd.
Optimist wrote:
Stop it Old dog, people speak highly of Keating but under him when I was working 70 hours a week I was paying 51% tax and home loan interest rates were 17%….also he got busted not paying his own income tax for 2 years because he was making a killing ( pardon the pun) selling pork from his piggeries in indo….he must have done something good but I can’t recall what it was.
Quit politics.
indo-dreaming wrote:
@ Andy
Really i have to say you have balls to bring up the pick batts scheme, we know what a disaster that was.
"Royal Commission says insulation deaths were fault of the government’s program"
https://theconversation.com/royal-commission-says-insulation-deaths-wer…
Ok, so as a boss I hire an inexperienced installer not properly trained and they die. Oh it's the government's fault, not mine....
Abbott's Royal Commission.
Some correct points as program was rushed ( it needed to be to be effective) but blaming govt for dodgy practices by contractors is a bit much.
How many deaths by suicide due to Robo Debt do ya reckon the LNP has clocked up?
andy-mac wrote:
Start at 2min if ya don't want Jordies intro...
She is meant to be on Scomo's team...
Pit of vipers....
Thanks for that andy M , good to watch her whole speech. I love the go to words of this election…… “ a strong economy “…..” a strong future “ scott no friends has always done the right thing according to him , so that makes him always right……apparently.
I had the local plumber's labourer install my batts. Was in the building industry for about 2 months. That was going on everywhere. No qualifications needed. Plumber made a fortune.
Buggered if I know how we got through Covid without massive debt. I don't care who was in government.
My first home loan was when Keating was treasurer. 15.5% and I thought that was good! Oldies were in business, I worked for them. Business overdraft was 21%. Guys on building sites were going on strike for days because the wrong flavoured ice cream wasn`t available. Construction sites were downing tools all the time for petty things and walking off building sites. One high rise site in Scarborough where I lived at the time got bombed because the builder was arcing up against the unions for stopping work all the time. They went broke. I was in charge of quoting for jobs in the building industry. Union job..... Work out the normal price, then double it and add on another 15% and hoped like fuck if we got the job we still made money out of it. Builders labourer's were on an obscene amount of money with no qualifications.
The Hawke/Keating government did some good things but they were far from the pillars of parliamentarians. Would love to know how much money flowed through the unions then. Painters and dockers were beauties. Every year just before Christmas go on strike. Then the breweries would go on strike because they knew everyone wanted beers for Christmas. Held everyone to ransom for more coin.
Blowin’s daily record for the number of individual comments on Swillnet is seriously at risk with Info on here day and night.
Blowinfo lives on
#theresalwaysacomment
Blowouts under Krudd and now Andrews are off the richter. Roads, rail, pipelines, NBN all billions over budget but hey, it's all LNP's fault. At least when Labor gets in it will then be their fault for 'no action on climate change' when the floods, bushfires and cyclones return.
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