The Israel Palestine problem solving thread
This explains some things
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indo-dreaming wrote:
https://twitter.com/michaelshermer/status/1720814908999401796Dropping truth bombs left right and centre.
I agree with most of what he is saying except what he is basing the start of his spiel on is a false premise.
Israel is not really democratic western state based on western values but a Religious state. Not going to get into debate about what was written in some book thousands of years ago, but many of its citizens are not indigenous to area but of European descent and have migrated to Israel. Many who have dual citizenship to other countries such as USA.
It cannot be disputed that they have been continuing to occupy land that is not theirs under international law. Even USA acknowledges this
Besides this does not excuse their response to the horrendous attack in them that has now allegedly killed over 10,000 people, 4000 of which are innocent children.
From international relations perspective, Israel have seen to have pushed boundaries too far and world opinion is starting to turn against them and USA. Below video demonstrates that point.
In regards to above post, I am for an Israel State as it has been established. For its own security though and of region and world, this scenario cannot continue.
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… no bombs necessary
- just truth ;);)
6:30 mins on… facts… free of ignorance.
- ‘no matter how smart you are, you can always learn’… ;)
Woke awkwardness just escalated.
The Democrats decided that against Trump, woke politics are winning politics.
The Israel aligned deep state and senior state officials such as Victoria Nuland and Blinken went along for the ride.
Woke sure was great for cancelling people and inconvenient views. Social justice was like apple pie, almost everyone liked it and few could argue against it. You are with us or against us was a simple message and it brought a wide range of disparate groups into the Democrat fold.
The war enthusiasts loved using the cloak of virtuousity as they went about their job of making more war. Democrats as the pro war party was just was the ultimate bait and switch gaslighting success for the narrative writers. Laugh? they nearly pissed themselves.
They accepted all sorts of wierd spinoffs such as fiery but "peaceful" riots and ANTIFA "antics" as woke went down various rabbit holes.
As they looked down from their grand DC castle on the hill at the little people they chuckled and smirked. A little cultural revolution might be chaotic at times and even just plain embarrassing, but it kept the sheeple busy and in the Democrate fold. Changing pronouns on their email signature was a small price to pay they would say over a cigar and whisky at the club.
Anything but that uncontrollable orange man.
But now the chickens have come home to roost. Somehow those groovy young wokesters have gone feral and are protesting for Palestine and against Israel in large numbers across the country. Momentum is growing as the Gaza body count grows.
For the elites this must be hugely concerning. An alignment with Israel decades in the making and, at the core of almost every every DC "lawmaker" political DNA, is now under threat from those damn wokesters. Anti semitism has leapt out from the shadows.
Could this be peak woke?
Might the elites stop blowing the social pendulum ever leftwards and turn the state 3 letter agency apparatuses actively against the far left who have been tolerated and even encouraged for years.
Maybe. A side issue to the conflict.... but quite consequential for society.
frog wrote:
Momentum is growing as the Gaza body count grows.
Would seem to be a pertinent point glossed over in that overreach of an article.
basesix wrote:
nah, bonza, when there's everyone and their dog offering a wide range of opinions, someone being a cock makes for an easy pass. It's not the 80s, being on the telly doesn't make someone relevant.
So even if he is a cock, what he says is true, wouldn’t you agree?
So easy to shoot the messenger and ignore the message.
andy-mac wrote:
https://twitter.com/michaelshermer/status/1720814908999401796Dropping truth bombs left right and centre.
I agree with most of what he is saying except what he is basing the start of his spiel on is a false premise.
Israel is not really democratic western state based on western values but a Religious state. Not going to get into debate about what was written in some book thousands of years ago, but many of its citizens are not indigenous to area but of European descent and have migrated to Israel. Many who have dual citizenship to other countries such as USA.
It cannot be disputed that they have been continuing to occupy land that is not theirs under international law. Even USA acknowledges this
Besides this does not excuse their response to the horrendous attack in them that has now allegedly killed over 10,000 people, 4000 of which are innocent children.From international relations perspective, Israel have seen to have pushed boundaries too far and world opinion is starting to turn against them and USA. Below video demonstrates that point.
10000 people. 4000 children.
Hamas said so, so it must be true?
Zero evidence needed obviously
Roadkill wrote:
https://twitter.com/michaelshermer/status/1720814908999401796Dropping truth bombs left right and centre.
I agree with most of what he is saying except what he is basing the start of his spiel on is a false premise.
Israel is not really democratic western state based on western values but a Religious state. Not going to get into debate about what was written in some book thousands of years ago, but many of its citizens are not indigenous to area but of European descent and have migrated to Israel. Many who have dual citizenship to other countries such as USA.
It cannot be disputed that they have been continuing to occupy land that is not theirs under international law. Even USA acknowledges this
Besides this does not excuse their response to the horrendous attack in them that has now allegedly killed over 10,000 people, 4000 of which are innocent children.From international relations perspective, Israel have seen to have pushed boundaries too far and world opinion is starting to turn against them and USA. Below video demonstrates that point.
10000 people. 4000 children.
Hamas said so, so it must be true?
Zero evidence needed obviously
2 points.
I wrote allegedly.
Second, these figures seem to be backed up by independent organisations.
What, you think the pictures coming out of Gaza are fakes?
Have a look at the pictures of devasted neighbourhoods and let me know your theory how people would survive that.
Anyway, I understand you are just here to troll away and create further division with your anti Islam blah blah so carry on.....
andy-mac wrote:
https://twitter.com/michaelshermer/status/1720814908999401796Dropping truth bombs left right and centre.
I agree with most of what he is saying except what he is basing the start of his spiel on is a false premise.
Israel is not really democratic western state based on western values but a Religious state. Not going to get into debate about what was written in some book thousands of years ago, but many of its citizens are not indigenous to area but of European descent and have migrated to Israel. Many who have dual citizenship to other countries such as USA.
It cannot be disputed that they have been continuing to occupy land that is not theirs under international law. Even USA acknowledges this
Besides this does not excuse their response to the horrendous attack in them that has now allegedly killed over 10,000 people, 4000 of which are innocent children.From international relations perspective, Israel have seen to have pushed boundaries too far and world opinion is starting to turn against them and USA. Below video demonstrates that point.
10000 people. 4000 children.
Hamas said so, so it must be true?
Zero evidence needed obviously2 points.
I wrote allegedly.
Second, these figures seem to be backed up by independent organisations.
What, you think the pictures coming out of Gaza are fakes?
Have a look at the pictures of devasted neighbourhoods and let me know your theory how people would survive that.
Anyway, I understand you are just here to troll away and create further division with your anti Islam blah blah so carry on.....
Show me the international organisations backing up the 10k deaths / 4K kids?
I’m surprised you haven’t posted Hamas claims that they didn’t intend to target innocent people initially… based on you believing all their other BS.
“From international relations perspective, Israel have seen to have pushed boundaries too far and world opinion is starting to turn against them and USA. Below video demonstrates that point.”
More garbage. What rubbish.
Roadkill wrote:
I’m surprised you haven’t posted Hamas claims that they didn’t intend to target innocent people initially… based on you believing all their other BS.
Gees mate, never have supported or defended Hamas whatever you may try to infer.
Secondly, I would guess I have more reason to be concerned regarding Islamic terrorism than you as have been very personally impacted by it.
So yeah keep up the bullshit comments.
https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties
https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/gaza-3195-c…
andy-mac wrote:
I’m surprised you haven’t posted Hamas claims that they didn’t intend to target innocent people initially… based on you believing all their other BS.Gees mate, never have supported or defended Hamas whatever you may try to infer.
Secondly, I would guess I have more reason to be concerned regarding Islamic terrorism than you as have been very personally impacted by it.
So yeah keep up the bullshit comments.https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties
https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/gaza-3195-c…
You have zero knowledge about me. So your assumptions like most of what you post is lacking knowledge.
Israel are our democratic brothers…support them…Islam wants you to submit or else….
Israel will never submit and neither will we…think about it…..
…don’t believe the bullshit as it seems endless….fight or flight.
Roadkill wrote:
I’m surprised you haven’t posted Hamas claims that they didn’t intend to target innocent people initially… based on you believing all their other BS.Gees mate, never have supported or defended Hamas whatever you may try to infer.
Secondly, I would guess I have more reason to be concerned regarding Islamic terrorism than you as have been very personally impacted by it.
So yeah keep up the bullshit comments.https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties
https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/gaza-3195-c…
You have zero knowledge about me. So your assumptions like most of what you post is lacking knowledge.
Where’s the laugh out loud emoji?
But seriously roadkill, you can’t be watching any of jelly’s links if you think the Jews Havnt been pushing the boundaries. There are no boundaries it would seem. Tu casa es mi casa.
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Thanks Flate some incredible religious insights there.
I looked up the word Herem.
Herem or cherem (Hebrew: חרם, ḥērem), as used in the Tanakh, means something given over to the Lord, or under a ban, and sometimes refers to things or persons to be utterly destroyed.[2][3] The term has been explained in different and sometimes conflicting ways by different scholars. It has been defined as "a mode of secluding, and rendering harmless, anything imperilling the religious life of the nation",[4] or "the total destruction of the enemy and his goods at the conclusion of a campaign",[5] or "uncompromising consecration of property and dedication of the property to God without possibility of recall or redemption".[3] It is translated into Latin as devotio, a word used for human sacrifice,[6] and into Greek as anathema, which was a sacrifice to the gods (and later to God).[7]
There is a related verb, heḥərîm (החרים), meaning "to treat as ḥērem", or "destroy utterly".
Yes, let’s negotiate peace with Hamas. I am sure they would honour it. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/08/world/middleeast/hamas-israel-gaza-w…
Roadkill wrote:
Great interview with DM.
Good video everything he says is 1000% true.
I saw a Iran social media stand with Israel post and thought it was just some weird one off thing, but as weird as it sounds it seems to be a trend in Iran, cant say i saw this one coming.
indo-dreaming wrote:
Great interview with DM.
Good video everything he says is 1000% true.
That was terrible.
Stating Nazis’s had to get drunk,( I don’t doubt it), every night to deal with their killings. Did any Germans against it all speak up? They had no options under the situation.
But then to state no Palestinians speak up about the abhorrent treatment of the Israeli woman (and all the others) therefore suggesting they’re all complicit. Gleeful killing. No doubt, and abhorrent. But, a lot of these Palestinians are victims of Hamas and Israel. They have no options to speak up either?
I’d imagine 1000% they’re looking on in horror knowing the hell that’s about to be unleashed on them because of the actions of these arseholes that control them, by the other arseholes that oppress them all.
well well well...
Really crazy story:
— Mossad Commentary (@MOSSADil) November 8, 2023
A complete investigation that proves how photographers working for the New York Times, CNN, AP and Reuters moved with the Nohva forces from the first moments of the attack, documenting, among other things, a kidnapping, lynching of the body of an IDF soldier,… pic.twitter.com/3XU3qyzHpS
Im thinking this ain't gonna just go away... no matter how hard they're trying...
seeds wrote:
Great interview with DM.
Good video everything he says is 1000% true.
That was terrible.
Stating Nazis’s had to get drunk,( I don’t doubt it), every night to deal with their killings. Did any Germans against it all speak up? They had no options under the situation.
But then to state no Palestinians speak up about the abhorrent treatment of the Israeli woman (and all the others) therefore suggesting they’re all complicit. Gleeful killing. No doubt, and abhorrent. But, a lot of these Palestinians are victims of Hamas and Israel. They have no options to speak up either?
I’d imagine 1000% they’re looking on in horror knowing the hell that’s about to be unleashed on them because of the actions of these arseholes that control them, by the other arseholes that oppress them all.
It's gleeful because unlike the nazis who murdered millions of jews mostly in secret and who then lied about what they did by covering up their crimes e.g. destroying evidence, Hamas and supporters around the world were celebrating the murders and rapes of jews by filming, posting on social media and marching in the streets.... all before israel had begun to retaliate. At least the nazis had some shame. Hamas because of their sick religion are proud.
“Neither america nor europe seem able or willing to solve their colonial addiction - their civilisational motif… israel is a translation of that failure… a prized western desire… but israel has agency in mechanising this desire.”
Jelly Flater is a pro Hamas pro terrorism bot or mole planted by Iran, China or Russia?
Jelly Flater wrote:
;)
Gawd you post irrelevant bs by irrelevant nobodies.
Haha ;)
- a former soldier and his honesty has more relevance than anything the dill has tried to offer here…
… and scroll back to hear from rabbis, former idf soldiers, UN officials and holocaust survivors in other vids.
If you are questioning their relevance and whether they are ‘nobodies’ then that says more than enough about your intellectual capacity ;)
And green room… I’ve not once supported nor condoned anything ‘pro Hamas’…
- so yeah, pull ya head outta your arse ;);)
- u couple of warmongering, biased hasbara shrills…
Here’s a vid of a nobody perfectly explaining the dill and the green room ;)
- even an opportunity at the end for u both to attempt to remedy the inflammation currently occupying your cowardly brains ;);)
but you’re just waging your own personal antisemitic war against Israel, Jewish people and it seems the US. And on a surfing website. It’s weird
…but …but ;)
- take a look back at all the examples of jewish commentators I’ve posted…
Check out all the jewish opinions that are anti war ;)
I’m anti war, not anti semitic.
It really shows your ignorance to bypass and ignore these facts…
- and on a surfing website ;) …it’s …ummm …weird ;);)
This thread is about israel / palestine…
U must’ve forgot that bit.
…but …but
…carry on with your confused dribble
- you are just another weasel void of humanity…
It’s weird, sadistic and utterly deplorable to pretend that the continued genocide of non combatants and women and children is ok.
No sides.
No winners.
No war.
- this former british ambassador and historian must be a terrorist ;)
just fyi, in case you don’t realise, the Israel army is not watching your utube vids
;);)
Of course… they’re too busy murdering innocent kids…
- but… but you can’t see that with your head up your arse ;);)
'tolerance'
'anti-fascist'
'anti-racist'
or not...
Why would anyone care if someone else seen the footage readily available online? https://t.co/GK73ntWcrC
— The opinionated Black woman ~ Aunty (@Theblackfemini3) November 10, 2023
Jelly Flater wrote:
Here’s a vid of a nobody perfectly explaining the dill and the green room ;)
- even an opportunity at the end for u both to attempt to remedy the inflammation currently occupying your cowardly brains ;);)
hehe. Brilliant J.F. This vid hits the nail on the head.
Quite obvious that the same msm frothers during the 'pandemic' are regurgitating the same msm dialogue during this conflict.
Jelly Flater wrote:
;);)
Of course… they’re too busy murdering innocent kids…
- but… but you can’t see that with your head up your arse ;);)
And this is why you passively support terrorism, jelly brain. No mention that Hamas puts the population in harms way, won’t allow them to get to safety and wants them dead.
In your defence, I really don’t think you have the ability to recognise where the responsibility lies.
… dill boy ;);)
- what a pathetic nobody you are ;)
A nobody msm frother…
Not sure you have the ability to recognise that you are entirely responsible for you being an absolute fuckwit ;);)
Jelly Flater wrote:
… dill boy ;);)
- what a pathetic nobody you are ;)
A nobody msm frother…
Not sure you have the ability to recognise that you are entirely responsible for you being an absolute fuckwit ;);)
Calling……. burleigh?
Haha ;)
You haven’t quite developed an understanding yet that you are a miserable nobody spewing out false accusations
…and parading an array of impotent knowledge ;)
The responsibility with the dill lies in harbouring lies…
- give it up you pretend covid cafe rules enforcer ;)
Get a fuckn life ;);)
Jelly Flater wrote:
Haha ;)
You haven’t quite developed an understanding yet that you are a miserable nobody spewing out false accusations
…and parading an array of impotent knowledge ;)
The responsibility with the dill lies in harbouring lies…
- give it up you pretend covid cafe rules enforcer ;)
Get a fuckn life ;);)
Jelly brain, a ? makes it a question. No accusations made just a simple question.
You seem very defensive and avoiding answering…. Just like burleigh’s modus operandi.
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