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Barnard
said:
250620 Iranians on the move
…I got a picture of Iranians moving...
…the enriched uranium…
… before the US air stri
I got a "top secret photo" of the war... on who's Terror?
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Barnard
said:
250620 Iranians on the move
…I got a picture of Iranians moving...
…the enriched uranium…
… before the US air stri
I got a "top secret photo" of the war... on who's Terror?
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cutty1957
said:
Food for thought across the ditch. https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12322560
No surfing in Aotearoa (NZ) durning Rona
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Breaking news,
Can some one please find the meme of Putin and Kim watching the parade I have seen it and cannot find it again.
;)
i reckon that sorts it...
hahahah
Yeah that is funny and I’d guess pretty much on the money.
That's the one cheers gents
We are laughing with comrades Vlad and Kim.
What an embarrassment that march was. Pretty funny that a bunch of TikTok kids reserved multiple seats they were never going to use.
No laughing matter here .
Trump’s first statement about Tulsi is unbelievable, doesn’t care what his own intelligence team says, so who’s he listening too and believing ?
“ I’ve never been terribly interested in why people give, because their motivation is rarely what it seems to be, and it’s almost never true altruism.”
Cruzie doing a good job of making Tucker Carlson look like the least unhinged person in the room. No mean feat.
HA ! I was thinking the same thing .
Funny watching The Dump In Chief watching his lame parade. I bet he just thought all armies goose stepped in abosolute precision.
Haha that was funny.
Trump taking the piss .
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false."
- William J. Casey, CIA Director (1981)
…the further a society drifts from truth the more it will hate those who speak it.
WMD take 2 , worked the first time .
;)
“ I discovered, for the first time but not the last, that politicians don’t care too much what things cost. It’s not their money.”
― Donald J. Trump, Trump: The Art of the Deal
Joe Rogan interview with Kash Patel.
Gawd Rogan is becoming a gullible clown.
Every piece of unsubstantiated bs and every claim and every story was eagerly believed and never questioned.
Rogan is becoming a joke.
peddling conspiracies again frownyguy...
and antisemitism to boot!
sorry, couldn't help myself
There is absolutely no doubt Netanyahu has played Trump perfectly so far the blank faces behind Trump reinforce that fact how it continues and what next is the really big question.
;)
- butcher bibi got some epstein tapes starring the don ;)
… and who would’ve thunk he was all talk as the ‘no new wars’ saviour prez
… even after he ended the ukraine stuff in just 24 hrs. Oh …hang on hahaha
Old Uncle Sam is getting pretty hot....
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Iran threatening to close the straight in Persian gulf, could be one of Twumps most monumental FUs if it happens?...get ready for fuel prices to skyrocket if it does happen.
“ I was saved by God to make America great again “ ;)
… ummmmm
“ These countries are calling us up, kissing my ass “ ;);)
… hmmmmm
…the pawn prez has played the game / sealed the deal
& at least been faithful to the ‘greater’ cause
- just gotta trust in peace through war (strength)
…didn’t work for the romans, nor for ron, but surely will for the don ;)
“It won’t happen overnight, but it will happen” ;);)
Epic thought provoking post as always TBB, and most likely resembles the truth. Always how i viewed things over there. Thankgoodness there's no one left on these threads to thow the anti semitic barbs at anyone that just points out the obvious.
Honestly, there are a lot of anti-semitic "Jews run the word" tropes in tbb's post, tropes that are unrelated to calling out Zionism, lean into crass bigotry, and undermine the anti-Zionist cause. Do better.
All that aside, why has Australia come out in support of strike?
Illegal and no basis for them.
Iran member of NPT, had inspectors, US intelligence stated not producing bomb.
Were in negotiations when Israel bombed and killed their main negotiator.
Then US bomb them whilst in discussion with euors.
Another country in ME not signed up for NPT, no inspectors, and has a number of nuclear weapons who are presently committing a genocide.
Yeah but the mullahs are the baddies.
Jesus wept.
No subs
“ I can’t believe it’s not terror “ ;)
Australia is the dork at school that gives the bully their lunch money and tells them they're tough and cool so they won't get beat up.
One point, from moral standing. Like operation Iraqi Freedom, like Putin in Ukraine, this one shows we are moving from internationally agreed law to a law of raw power. If you've got the ability and can do it, you do it. Very different world order from that of everyone here's entire lifetime. (In this case Australia needs a strong deterrent).
Point two - geopolitics. No comment on all the -ism's or right or wrong. Just how realpolitik has changed. Israel has disembowelled the 'I' in CRINK, and the US just delivered an extra punch. The Iranian A2AD system is in tatters with Israeli aircraft able to fly and bomb with impunity, the equipment they use is revealed as ineffective. As is the Iron Dome shooting down everything coming into Israel. The Shaheed drone factories are probably burnt out by now. This should take some pressure off the Ukranians. If we go back to MacKinder's 'world island', the conflict at the periphery is expanding, the sides coalescing.
Personal, disappointment the wars seem to be ratcheting higher. You hear my voice here warning of it, it was my degree course so I know how it went in the past; and I show how all the armaments and logistics are building up on both sides - it's still a real bummer to see the conflict ramp higher. I've been singing 'American Idiot' and the Paris scene in 'Team America - world police' in my head getting to the surf and back. But think about it from a raw power, Machiavellian perspective - if you could take out one of your main adversaries, they were on the floor, only you could hit the biggest target, and your estimates of immediate losses were small, would you do it?
I agree with you that Israel seems to have forced the US hand, like the tail wagging the dog.
Now we wait for responses across many spectra, but to be honest, these forms of warfare have been going on for a couple of decades at least.
Bonus challenge for thread: don't become a leftist echo-chamber.
Never mind the state actors, or even the non-state proxies, what's the likelihood of anti-West grievance finding an outlet as domestic terrorism among the Shia population?
Iran may be on its knees, there may even be a progressive population happy that's the case, but what comes out of the hardline mosques now?
I think pretty high. El Sadr channelled this on the ground in Iraq against the US in the 2000s.
Also, I came across some astounding footage from a commercial airliner out of Dubai:
https://x.com/sentdefender/status/1934497912593289650
Hi VJ,
Are you sure that this is the case regarding Iran totally losing air defence capabilities and Israel's iron dome being effective?
Some commentators are saying things are quite different than that narrative.
I don't have a clue, but footage coming to of Israel appears they are taking some pretty big hits with missiles coming in from Iran.
I'm reminded of Bush proudly exclaiming mission accomplished.
Video before strike but covers some of those points.
"One point, from moral standing. Like operation Iraqi Freedom, like Putin in Ukraine, this one shows we are moving from internationally agreed law to a law of raw power. If you've got the ability and can do it, you do it. Very different world order from that of everyone here's entire lifetime. (In this case Australia needs a strong deterrent)."
yep
we grew up in an anomaly
I touched on this the other day, the 'order' is over, sadly... australia needs to wake the fuck up
(and grow up...)
"Point two - geopolitics. No comment on all the -ism's or right or wrong. Just how realpolitik has changed. Israel has disembowelled the 'I' in CRINK, and the US just delivered an extra punch. The Iranian A2AD system is in tatters with Israeli aircraft able to fly and bomb with impunity, the equipment they use is revealed as ineffective. As is the Iron Dome shooting down everything coming into Israel. The Shaheed drone factories are probably burnt out by now. This should take some pressure off the Ukranians. If we go back to MacKinder's 'world island', the conflict at the periphery is expanding, the sides coalescing."
yep, and I'd add the ridiculously quick - and largely unexpected - fall of syria opened up an empty highway so to speak
Iran has - and still is - talking a big game, that now, simply doesn't align with reality... at all..
which is the scary part, as the suicidal righteous nature of the regime, could drag it's larger, not so crazy, population into an absolute hellscape
"Personal, disappointment the wars seem to be ratcheting higher. You hear my voice here warning of it, it was my degree course so I know how it went in the past; and I show how all the armaments and logistics are building up on both sides - it's still a real bummer to see the conflict ramp higher. I've been singing 'American Idiot' and the Paris scene in 'Team America - world police' in my head getting to the surf and back. But think about it from a raw power, Machiavellian perspective - if you could take out one of your main adversaries, they were on the floor, only you could hit the biggest target, and your estimates of immediate losses were small, would you do it?
and yep, sadly...
it appears pure opportunism from an outside perspective - taking out capacity - there's no doubt nuclear intentions exist...
there's also little doubt the closeness of capacity has been grossly exaggerated
gratuitous opportunism is a fraught territory...
"I agree with you that Israel seems to have forced the US hand, like the tail wagging the dog.
Now we wait for responses across many spectra, but to be honest, these forms of warfare have been going on for a couple of decades at least."
this is where the reflexively anti US brigade have a massive blind spot...
iran has been not following that 'order' for decades, through funding terrorism and their proxies on numerous fronts, culminating in oct 7
the 'rules based order' was/is impotent
and is in many current cases... bit of a chicken and egg scenario... but 'the west' can only hobble themselves with idealism so much
whilst major powers run amok...
"Bonus challenge for thread: don't become a leftist echo-chamber."
indeed, it becomes a boring bubble of insulated irrelevance
very hollow, very echo-y
much like the democrst party
look how that's turned out...
talk about impotent!
Good on Trump for his swift action in Iran. I wish he was the same with Russia and pushed them out of Ukraine.
Yep
best picture hosting
Trump going against his own intelligence team and instead listening to his “ gut feeling “ is just plain dumb. If he had any other sources that Iran was building a nuclear bomb then let’s see the evidence and the world might then just thank him . In 20 years the truth will come out but nobody will learn anything from it …..again . Iran now threatening to close a major oil shipping channel and Trump is calling on China to stop them . The guys obviously been taxing Elon’s drug stash .
Our government also supports the Iran attacks. And I trust our government.
as many commenters have said supa
as the IAEA have said...
there is simply no legitimate domestic reason to enrich nuclear material to 60%
it serves one purpose, and one purpose only...
I’m not buying it . Happy to be proven wrong when the evidence is clearly presented. Not just speculation from others, why didn’t his own intelligence team believe Iran was making a bomb ? I would say Tulsi’s days are numbered .
After seeing what the Israeli's have done to Gaza and are starting in West Bank, and now bombing Iran. This after Iraq, Syria Libya etc etc, can you really think why Iran will not now develop a nuclear weapon?
They would be stupid not too.
They have a right to defend themselves.
Here's an idea, make the ME nuclear free and all countries open to inspection, including Israel. Yeah right.
Otherwise, the hypocrisy is astounding.
Hi Andy, the wording was a bit muddled after I cut and pasted the paragraph - what I am trying to say is the Iron Dome, like the Iranian AA, has proven to be less than effective. I read stats that it was only getting about 90% of incoming missiles; and conjecture that at some point they will run out of missiles, with 1000+ Iranian missiles left.
OK, one final link:
https://bsky.app/profile/vcdgf555.bsky.social
This is plane girl, she's an OSINT savant for identify what is flying where. Also 'liberal' or left leaning, so she's spared no roasting of idiot Trump admin explanations for this intervention (Vance roasting was best). After all, they were elected on getting America out of foreign entanglements, right? Also on her threads are current updates and travel advisorys for embassy staff throughout the ME.
I've also seen that Western airlines have cancelled Dubai flights in places, look that up yourselves if traveling.
Edit: the USA is largely independent on energy sources (we discussed this before - grade of oil vs what their refineries are set up to refine) and so closing the Strait of Hormuz affects east Asia (and Australia! how many days reserve do we have?) more than the USA.
It's simply comes down to timing
everyone knows their intentions, they don't even hide them
any genuine argument purely comes down to the timing of bolting the bits together
Cheers VJ, will have a look through your link.
Just read another theory, take it with a grain of salt.
But Trump and the Iranians agreed to this strike, Iran had time to move most of the valuable stuff out of the targets.
They will now do a face-saving reprisal attack pre agreed with the USA to limit damage.
then negos start, Trump claims Nuc program destroyed Iran has stared down great Satan for another day, then Israel back off after US and Iran come up with new deal.
Far fetched, but nothing would surprise me these days.