COVID-19 Health System Overload Forecaster
blindboy wrote:
How about you acknowledge the incredible achievements of the scientists who have worked their arses off to create effective vaccines and saved tens of millions of lives in the process? But nah over privileged fuckwits with no life experience but getting whatever the fuck they wanted when they fucking wanted it would rather whinge about the dreadful
Inconveniences they have suffered.
Don't discount the giant sacrifices people have made by wearing a mask in Bunnings for 5 minutes BD.
blindboy wrote:
How about you acknowledge the incredible achievements of the scientists who have worked their arses off to create effective vaccines and saved tens of millions of lives in the process? But nah over privileged fuckwits with no life experience but getting whatever the fuck they wanted when they fucking wanted it would rather whinge about the dreadful
Inconveniences they have suffered.
Nice.
Predictable, superficial, shallow, and all assuming response.
And Vic local, I was telling you two, specifically you two, to go fuck yourselves. You've both earned it.
Now that's all cleared up, I'll leave this with others that have more mental stamina and patience to read and respond to your daily bs.
VicMoron & blindboy have really stepped it up a notch lately. Their little covid bubble is popping, restrictions easing slowly. Don't you little men feel safe anymore? As the PM said today, if you're worried stay inside or wear a mask. The country is opening up.
monkeyboy wrote:
Blood Clot Morrison finally speaking some sense today. Your health is your responsibility."At the end of the day, our own health is our own responsibility and that's why I'd say — you know, Omicron will be here in this country, it is already here, so do the right thing by your own health and get vaccinated and get your booster shot. If you feel uncomfortable about going out in other public spaces, well, you can choose to stay home, you can choose to wear a mask, you can choose many things to protect your own health, but they're your choices and we have to be careful on imposing our choices on others," he says.
I have said that governments have done a lot in interfering in people's live it is last couple of years and that's been necessary, but the time has come for people to take responsibility also and not have the government being able to tell them what to do and looking after their own health. That's what living with this virus looks like."
WOW ! Never ever thought I'd agree with a politican.
I like this direction, I like how we havent gone overboard trying to keep this new variant out and jumped back into the old panic mode.
burleigh I support the opening up. I do not support scumbags posting bullshit in an attempt to undermine the vaccination programme that will continue to be necessary to save lives, including those of children.
This could get messy. Booster now called "experimental".
Einstein once something about this.
So their is only one small trial by Pfizer and based on that ATAGI have given the green light for 5 -11 year olds . This is their link and their statement Vaccine effectiveness data from real world experience are not yet available for children aged 5-11 years but are expected in coming months. As of 6 December 2021, over 4.8 million children aged 5-11 years have received at least one dose of the paediatric Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine in the United States, and over 1.4 million have received two doses.11 https://www.health.gov.au/sites/default/files/documents/2021/12/atagi-r…. Edit it hasn’t been trialed against omicron, which is supposed to be less virulent , so how does the risk and benefit stack up if its a weaker strain ?
Typical Scumo saying "we have to be careful on imposing our choices on others" at the end of his rant. It only works one way with this flog. Dog whistling to the anti-vax anti lockdown mob. Looking at Scumo's speech, It's clear he thinks only one side shouldn't impose their choices on others. What about the flog who was supposed to be isolating but went clubbing in Newcastle instead. His choices had massive consequences but you won't hear scumo saying we should make choices that consider other people's welfare. It's a nod and a wink to self centred fuckwits who only care about themselves. I fucking loathe that corrupt morally bankrupt dog. He's a middle management arsehole at best. I true fuckwit who would gladly sell the country down the tubes for personal advancement.
Vic Local wrote:
Typical Scumo saying "we have to be careful on imposing our choices on others" at the end of his rant. It only works one way with this flog. Dog whistling to the anti-vax anti lockdown mob. Looking at Scumo's speech, It's clear he thinks only one side shouldn't impose their choices on others. What about the flog who was supposed to be isolating but went clubbing in Newcastle instead. His choices had massive consequences but you won't hear scumo saying we should make choices that consider other people's welfare. It's a nod and a wink to self centred fuckwits who only care about themselves. I fucking loathe that corrupt morally bankrupt dog. He's a middle management arsehole at best. I true fuckwit who would gladly sell the country down the tubes for personal advancement.
I wonder who hand picked ATAGI and the federal CMO ?
From the horse's mouth.
The original isn't even fully approved.
Mix n match ?
Boosters?
Kids?
"However, as there are limited safety data, full registration of the vaccine will only be given after extended safety monitoring, which will take several years".
https://www.ncirs.org.au/phases-clinical-trials.
Before Covid, the norm.
After collecting data, regulatory bodies assess vaccine safety and effectiveness before the vaccine is licensed. The whole process of vaccine development to licensure takes around 10 years.
How many children participated in the trial?
The initial part of Pfizer’s trial in children 5-11 years old included more than 2,200 individuals. About 1,500 children received the vaccine. About 700 children received the placebo. This pediatric trial was a little different from the adult’s trial in that this was not a one-to-one ratio. More kids received the vaccine than the placebo because Pfizer needed to test dosage. According to the company, its 10-microgram dosage worked best compared to its 20 and 30-microgram amounts. For perspective, adults received 30 micrograms in each of their shots.
How did the trial work?
Each of the children received two shots about three weeks apart. Clinicians followed most of the participants for two months after they received their second dose; some were followed longer.
“We don’t follow children for years after, but this was a good amount of time because from what we know from adults and adolescents 12-17 receiving the Pfizer vaccine, most adverse events are going to happen – usually – within the first week or within the first couple of months,” Dr. Vernon explained.
According to her, the FDA requested additional data from Pfizer. The company tested its vaccine on another 2,200 patients. Of that, about 1,600 children received the vaccine. They were followed for two weeks after their second dose.
Did anyone experience adverse side effects after receiving the vaccine?
“ CBS4 spoke with a Pfizer representative and confirmed there were few instances of side effects after children received the vaccine. The most common adverse reactions included fatigue, injection site reactions (swelling), and pain at the injection site. Another common side effect included headache.
“These resolved within a couple of days. Interestingly, fever was actually less in the adolescent group than what we see among adolescents and adults that received the Pfizer vaccine,” Dr. Vernon pointed out. “I always say, fever is not a bad thing. It means your immune system is working.”
According to the paperwork, there were 13 instances where children reported lymph node swelling. Each of the cases lasted less than two weeks. There was one case of elbow pain that resolved the next day. There was one case of tingling that lasted three days.
“Adverse events were very minimal,” Dr. Vernon explained. “That’s likely because we’re using a much smaller dose, which is pretty standard for pediatric populations. We use smaller doses than what we would give to our adults in our adolescents.”
Pfizer said there were no cases of anaphylaxis, severe allergic reaction, myocarditis or blood clots.
“When you open this up to everyone, we could start to see that, but I am very optimistic after reviewing the data and listening to the discussion,” Dr. Vernon said.”
https://cbs4indy.com/news/coronavirus/cbs4-digs-deeper-into-pfizers-cli…
The trial is smaller than ideal but in total, over the two trials, over 3000 children received two doses without a single serious side effect
4 monthly boosters coming to an arm near you.
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/scott-morrison-says…
With transmission in NSW & VIC through the roof surely people are questioning these jabs now.
Remember when they said it stops transmission and you only need 2 jabs?
You will have 4 in one year then 3 per year moving forward (if it doesn't get reduced to 3 months)
Burleigh,
Not a problem.
Should be ok.
The kids clinical trials only went for two months.
So far, so good ...
aaron61 wrote:
Burleigh,
Not a problem.
Should be ok.
The kids clinical trials only went for two months.
So far, so good ...
Leave the kids alone. You scared little men want to get ALL your jabs, fucking do it. You do what's best for you. But to recommend kids get an experimental vaccine to keep you safe is insane,
Views like yours, VicMorons & co are so far outdated. As the PM & NSW Deputy said, if you're scared wear a mask and don't go outside. Take responsibility for YOUR own health & don't EVER reply on big pharma injecting kids.
A cynic would say something about a new market appearing.
https://www.pharmtech.com/view/pfizer-acquires-arena-pharmaceuticals-fo…
Burleigh,
Settle down big fella.
I didn't think a "Sarc" tag was necessary.
I'm used to a higher class of internet forum brawl...
VL, does spittle come out of your mouth as you type? I fully imagine in your rage that spittle comes out.
aaron61 wrote:
Burleigh,
Settle down big fella.
I didn't think a "Sarc" tag was necessary.
I'm used to a higher class of internet forum brawl...
Im a bit slow. My bad
burleigh big pharma has been injecting children with their products for a long time now which is why we don't have measles, diphtheria etc etc etc epidemics killing large numbers of them anymore. You should just shut the fuck up about things you know nothing about when they have real world consequences.....like children dying.
An article from 10/09/21 on delta and children in Australia. https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/delta-s-impact-on-australian-…
Scomo's recent covid comments are some of the best covid news I've heard in about 2yrs. I know it's opportunistic of him, that a fun Aussie summer of freedom feeds straight into his reelection prospects. But I really hope it works out well for Australia in that we're able to withstand an increase in case numbers with low hospitalisation and death rates, and without taking any steps backwards to the dark ages of lockdowns and restrictions. Really hope these vaccines work.
"burleigh big pharma has been injecting children with their products for a long time now which is why we don't have measles, diphtheria etc etc etc epidemics killing large numbers of them anymore. You should just shut the fuck up about things you know nothing about when they have real world consequences.....like children dying".
Not with immunity from prosecution. PRE Project.
108 day trials
75 years for data release.
Go educate yourself, you bumpkin.
"The Cutter incident".
https://www.boulderweekly.com/opinion/the-cutter-incident-a-cautionary-…
If you won't read this, there is no hope for you.
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/science/articles/needle-points-vacci…
Yep as is well known and reguarly discussed in classes on vaccination, the Cutter incident was a tragedy that resulted in 10 deaths in the US in 1955. There is no justification for the carelessness that caused it, but given the billions of children who have been vaccinated since then, and the millions who would have died without vaccination, the evidence is massively and incontrovertibly in favour of vaccination. And to put that incident in context.
"In 1949, the new polio epidemic appeared and swept through selective population centers, leaving its most tragic sign: children with wheelchairs, crutches, leg braces, and deformed limbs. For children with polio in the late 1940s, the disease caused paralysis in 1 in 1,000 cases of children aged 5 to 9. The rest had only mild symptoms and developed immunities. In the 1952 season, of the 57,628 cases reported, 3,145 died and a shocking 21,269 experienced paralysis."
blindboy wrote:
burleigh big pharma has been injecting children with their products for a long time now which is why we don't have measles, diphtheria etc etc etc epidemics killing large numbers of them anymore. You should just shut the fuck up about things you know nothing about when they have real world consequences.....like children dying.
Serious question, have any kids died from covid?
"In 1949, the new polio epidemic appeared and swept through selective population centers, leaving its most tragic sign: children with wheelchairs, crutches, leg braces, and deformed limbs. For children with polio in the late 1940s, the disease caused paralysis in 1 in 1,000 cases of children aged 5 to 9. The rest had only mild symptoms and developed immunities. In the 1952 season, of the 57,628 cases reported, 3,145 died and a shocking 21,269 experienced paralysis."
Yes, so you are happy to put up the illness and mortality figures for children and Covid?
And you are happy with the Clinical trials?
By the way. " 10 children died".
You forgot this bit:
The mistake produced 120,000 doses of polio vaccine that contained live polio virus. Of children who received the vaccine, 40,000 developed abortive poliomyelitis (a form of the disease that does not involve the central nervous system), 56 developed paralytic poliomyelitis—and of these, five children died from polio.[2] The exposures led to an epidemic of polio in the families and communities of the affected children, resulting in a further 113 people paralyzed and 5 deaths.[3]
goofyfoot some US death data.
https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Deaths-by-Sex-Ages-0-18-years/xa4b-4pzv
@blindboy , do you seriously believe covid is as deadly for 5 -11 year olds as polio ? Or measles ? Or small pox ? I cant see the justification for this age group, especially now with omicron looking less and less virulent as the data comes in . If you believe its to protect the elderly then I’m afraid that your not paying attention to what’s happening around the world, breakthrough cases aren’t rare with omicron. mRNA may become the best thing since penicillin , but at the moment this new type of experimental vaccine is just that , an experiment . Australia is totally invested in mRNA , is that the smartest move ?
Aaron if you are unable to distinguish between an error in vaccine production producing 10 deaths and 56 cases of paralysis and an epidemic that killed over 300 and paralysed over 20,000 you are either exceptionally stupid or posting bullshit for ideological reasons.
@goofyfoot , what that data blindboy put up , fails to show is the health status of those kids . .
Supafreak wrote:
@goofyfoot , what that data blindboy put up , fails to show is the health status of those kids . .
100% that's the big problem and unfortunately i don't think the date is available
Lets put this in perspective 30.3 million known cases in USA (so could easily be a few times that if not ten times that number)
801K Covid deaths in the USA
And 771 deaths are under 18 years old.
You can bet the majority of those who died of Covid (or with Covid) that are under 18 had other more serious underlying health conditions and would have also most likely died if had gotten the flue or another common virus and many would have died of underlying conditions in same year.
https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-nco… The young girl that unfortunately died had many pre existing conditions
On covid origins, I do recall someone in the SN forums strongly of view that research labs were very secure, well managed and high unlikely to have an accidental release in wuhan.
But now we have a leak that shows how the best laid plans can go wrong:
"Taiwan’s lab leak of COVID-19 took place at a BSL-3 lab, which mandates the use of personal protective equipment, biosafety cabinets, sustained directional airflow without recirculation, as well as self-closing and interlocked doors. By contrast, the gain-of-function experiments being conducted on coronaviruses at the Wuhan Institute of Virology were done at much less secure BSL-2 labs."
And here’s Australian case numbers by age to put the above fatality rates into perspective. Note : It’s counted as a covid death if the person dies within 28 days of a positive covid test. This means that with some of these deaths covid is not the primary or even a contributing cause of death. The numbers are hugely unreliable.
If there’s been one death in an age group and that death was primarily caused by a comorbidity then it can be rightfully stated that 100% of the relevant statistics for that age group are inaccurate.
Also as stated in a German study into Child covid illness, the effects on children are often so mild, often no symptoms at all, that it’s impossible to truly assess how many children have actually had the virus. So case rates could be much, much higher. As they could for all age groups really. Not many get tested if they’ve got no symptoms and it’s hard to determine how many people get the virus without showing symptoms because they don’t get tested….cause they’ve got no symptoms.
You beat me to it blowin , for those that couldn’t be bothered clicking on the link here’s cases and deaths in Australia.
Supafreak wrote:
If thats accurate thats incredible.
Supafreak wrote:
You beat me to it blowin , for those that couldn’t be bothered clicking on the link here’s cases and deaths in Australia.
Truly incredible stats supafreak
I'm just going to sit here with my popcorn, watch and wait for the caped covid crusaders to reply.
fitzroy-21 wrote:
I'm just going to sit here with my popcorn, watch and wait for the caped covid crusaders to reply.
It’s been a rough day in the swellchan sewer for some.
Nothing unusual for the sanctimonious, high and mighty, blinkered caped covid crusader know it all's, looking down from the lofty height at the lowly, so called uneducated, peasants.
As covid spreads rapidly over
the next few months case numbers will rise dramatically and unvaccinated children will have a risk of serious illness and death. With high vaccination rates those numbers will be much lower as will the cases of long covid.
Vaccination will drastically reduce the total number of infections, reduce community transmission and help speed up the end of the pandemic.
Goofy…that’s the official Australian government health covid portal.
https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-nco…
I’ve posted them many times. They are updated daily. Just goes to show how much you were lied to about covid being an indiscriminate killer. It’s a disease of the elderly. If your fat you are susceptible. If you’re extremely ill you are susceptible. If you are young and healthy you may get very sick but it’s extremely unlikely.
Australia has had about 240,000 cases ….that they know of. Could be millions by now?
Blowin wrote:
Goofy…that’s the official Australian government health covid portal.
https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-nco…
I’ve posted them many times. They are updated daily. Just goes to show how much you were lied to about covid being an indiscriminate killer. It’s a disease of the elderly. If your fat you are susceptible. If you’re extremely I’ll you are susceptible. If you are young and healthy you may get very sick but it’s extremely unlikely.
Australia has had about 240,000 cases ….that they know of. Could be millions by now?
Yes I’ve never bought in to the fear mongering, but seeing how low the death numbers are in kids really surprised me.
Edit - any child dying is horrendous, I just didn’t expect them to be so few
blindboy wrote:
As covid spreads rapidly over
the next few months case numbers will rise dramatically and unvaccinated children will have a risk of serious illness and death. With high vaccination rates those numbers will be much lower as will the cases of long covid.
Vaccination will drastically reduce the total number of infections, reduce community transmission and help speed up the end of the pandemic.
If my 5yo was obese or had existing medical problems then I wouldn’t hesitate to get her vaccinated, as she is very healthy and active, I’m extremely hesitant and can not see the point. Kids that get covid and recover ( which the vast majority have ) then become part of herd immunity.
blindboy wrote:
As covid spreads rapidly over
the next few months case numbers will rise dramatically and unvaccinated children will have a risk of serious illness and death. With high vaccination rates those numbers will be much lower as will the cases of long covid.
Vaccination will drastically reduce the total number of infections, reduce community transmission and help speed up the end of the pandemic.
Vaccination will drastically reduce the total number of infections & reduce community transmissions. haha are you serious. You've got some serious blinkers on buddy.
I've created a spreadsheet forecast which I'll update as we go..
There's also a website with live running data.. https://sites.google.com/view/stayhomeaustralia