The source of Covid-19 are we any closer to knowing the truth?
(above meant to read Sars type 2)
Anyway this recent article is also interesting
"In 2018, Diplomats Warned of Risky Coronavirus Experiments in a Wuhan Lab. No One Listened.
After seeing a risky lab, they wrote a cable warning to Washington. But it was ignored."
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/03/08/josh-rogin-chaos-unde…
And link to article on book/author much of is taken from https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/14/chaos-under-heaven-josh…
Another good article from a few days ago (can't be bothered cutting an pasting the whole article)
"Did the coronavirus leak from a lab? These scientists say we shouldn’t rule it out.
For many scientists, challenging the idea that SARS-CoV-2 has natural origins is seen as career suicide. But a vocal few say it shouldn't be disregarded or lumped in with conspiracy theories."
https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/03/18/1021030/coronavirus-leak-wu…
@indo , not sure if you have seen this report before , I posted it in February and it’s hard to believe but who really knows ? https://video.foxnews.com/v/6227902415001 And this is the reporter’s background https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Hilton
Iraq the source of weapons of mass destruction are we any closer to the truth?
Indo,... Todays paper...
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/chinese-defector-viro…
@Supafreak
Didn't see that one but also interesting, but i think easy for many to right off (especially here) as Fox and reporter was a pro Trump reporter, but we are starting to see other media and scientist and even this guy in videos involved with the WHO say the same things.
Like that video says before this narrative was just brushed off as a conspiracy and if Trump says or supports it then many just will instantly say the opposite, but now that factor is fading.
It really makes less sense and HUGE coincidences to say the outbreak just happens to be in Wuhan where there is a major lab studying these viruses.
@Optimist
Article seems to be dated12:01PM SEPTEMBER 17, 2020 and again a Fox source, so many will just right it off, even a few months ago i did the same thing with articles with her, article doesnt gove much detail, but I will have to read her claims published here (that was linked in the article) https://zenodo.org/record/4028830#.YFZlny0RpZ3
Does it matter if we ever find the source?
Yeah i think it's important to know the truth, but yeah immature trolls will troll i guess..
Vlad is was much curious about why good citizen of Wuhan banned from travel in China to stop spread. But many citizen is was allowed travel all round world. Airport internationak flying was very busy
Much generous of great leader to share discovered virus with world.
Yes vladlot , I think there was something like 200,000 Chinese doing a regular commute between Wuhan and Italy .
Remind of old Russian proverb.
Only house in village with pox very lonely.
Anyone else think it odd that the world has gone from a new virus hitting the world to developing an effective vaccine in a little over 12 months. Meanwhile there is a bunch of other (natural) viral infections still waiting for vaccine development.
The Chinese quickly published the COVID 19 genome once it was out???
"Iraq the source of weapons of mass destruction are we any closer to the truth?"
why would anyone even write this?
please tell me the logic
(aside from what it seems...)
Fark, idiots that can't even spell (it's 'write-off') and "research" on youtube, fox news and The Australian.
These viruses exist in great pools in the natural world. They cross over, and will be doing so more frequently as overpopulation and ecosystems collapsing push humans closer to them. The Hendra virus, way more deadly than covid, crossed from a bat to a horse to a man in...'drumroll'...Australia.
"Question is ask must
Who spread not who start.?"
exactly, whether they cooked it up or not, the virus was deliberately ignored and covered up, allowing it to spead throughout the world
at that point at a minimum, the virus was weaponised
why cerrain people cannot accept this, or would go into bat for china to dismiss this point does my fucken head in...
talk about... 'turkeys voting for christmas'
@adambol1
No for a few reasons.
There has been so so many people working on it day and night.
Endless funding and red tape lifted to fast track things.
I also believe there was a lot already know from Sars research that helped them understand and develop vaccines for Covid-19
Source of numpties posting on a surf site about things they haven't a clue other than too incite hate will we know the truth.
@adam12
100% as expected people like you just write off anything to do with Trump, Fox.
Hence why i think now a turning point has been made when other media, scientist and even people involved with the WHO start saying wait a minute.
But yeah of all the places in the world an outbreak could have developed it just happens to be in Wuhan where a major lab is messing with very similar viruses and even concerns had been raised of the dangers.
And you're calling other's idiots?
BTW. If you had actually read some of the articles or watched the videos you would understand that a virus escaping from a lab, does not mean it was created in a lab.
"...The Hendra virus, way more deadly than covid, crossed from a bat to a horse to a man in...'drumroll'...Australia."
...and was the impact that virus shutting down of the whole world economy and millions of deaths?
...was there a lab researching the intimate interelations of said man, horse, and bat, right next to the very obvious outbreak?
just wondering...
"Source of numpties posting on a surf site about things they haven't a clue other than too incite hate will we know the truth."
you seriously have no curiousity whatsoever about the actual source of the virus?
who's inciting hate?
just seems to be some pretty reasonable questions being asked. questions that should have been pursued 14 months ago, but, as indo rightly points out, only now are some media outlets willing to entertain...
if the WHO and media did their job 14 months ago - when they should have done it - (and your assumptions proved to be correct...) then it would all be said and done, and your accusations would have merit...
but it ain't, cos they didn't, so they don't...
"The World Health Organisation’s conclusion about the likely origin of coronavirus was reached via a show of hands among the team of experts, many of whom work for the Chinese government – which had already ruled out the lab leak hypothesis – and have not been publicly identified by Beijing.
Fresh details of the WHO team’s four-week joint study in Wuhan, which concluded last month that it was “extremely unlikely” the virus came from a lab, have been revealed in a Wall Street Journal investigation published on Wednesday.
The lengthy article highlights the extent of the control Chinese authorities exerted over the WHO investigation, including securing veto rights over participants, and calls into question the reliability of the team’s findings ahead of their final report expected to be published next week"
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/w…
so, ...a stacked panel, by a public display of 'hands up', following an orchestrated investigation was conducted... and found it more worthy to investigate imported frozen foods, than a lab that studies the very same viruses, and has had known biosecurity problems, in an authoritarian country (fascist dictatorship?) with 'the lab' right next to the virus out break...
ok
nothing to see here
shut up little minions and swallow your allocated tripe
That was a good article Sypkan , thank god it wasn’t a Fox News report or there would be hell to pay .
fwiw, i dont think we'll ever know the truth, not now, not in the immediate future anyway... the WHO and various others totally fucked any chance of that up...
and I don't really give a fuck what china are up to anyway, its obvious to all, except the most willful of the willfully ignorant perhaps...
what I care about are the UN and the WHO, these are/were the good guys. and whilst the UN have gone off the rails the last decade or so, I still largely believe in the need and good intentions of these institutions
however, it beggars belief that the WHO could release such rubbish, especially following such a scandalous 14 months. one would think they would at least attempt to rebuild some trust and credibility, following some of the shameful work they have peddled throughout this pandemic
but they haven't even tried
it seems they don't care, seems that they have nothing but contempt for the little (but well educated!) people of the western world. ...a reoccuring theme I must say...
it seems there are big people with very nefarious intentions at work here, either colluding with, or pulling the strings in the background, well, Im sorry, but Im not going to blindly swallow 'the narrative'...
you taught me better than that!
Yep , it’s a classic case of shutting the gate after the horse has bolted , Australian and Chinese relations are going to be strained for some time .
100% Sypkan
The scary thing is the truth and knowing what really happened so we can also learn and prevent it from happening again isn't important, only because nobody want's to upset China.
Thats the scary thing.
The CCP wouldn't lie about such a thing , surely ?
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More interested in who killed JFK his brother and Martin Luther king
@Snuffy
Covid-19 has affected every country on earth and impacted on pretty much every person on earth (bar maybe more isolated communities like remote tribes or isolated island communities)
Knowing the source and understanding how and why should be important, so we can ensure it doesn't happen again or even to hold some accountability to those who FKD up.
It seems Morrison is the only one with the balls to stand up to China now...He's worth a vote just for that alone even if you don't like him....and look at us, our current Govt. getting all these new trading markets now elsewhere....Put the bully back in their box, we ain't going to take it anymore...The Anzacs would be proud.
Where d’ya get that little nugget about ScoMo from Optimist? The ‘only’ one with balls? Puhleeze. There’s a very broad awakening of the threats and issues with over-dependence on China. Nationally, regionally and globally.
Does your idolisation of Scott reflect anything in particular?
Optimist stated "The Anzacs would be proud".
Jingoistic claptrap
Tony Abbot made some dumb comments and scumo is doing himself no favours with his foot firmly placed in his mouth
The WHO fucked up. Lied about masks and transmission in confined spaces because they didn't want to panic under-resourced nations.
The CCP lied about the initial outbreak. It is their natural reaction to bad news. But soon after they released the G-nome.
The virus spread itself.
There is no conspiracy.
FoxNews and The Australian are not legitimate news sources. Rupert Murdoch is a mining billionaire that runs a media propaganda front.
Try not to be so gullible boys.
To deny Covid hasn't affected us all by some way would be totally ignorant.Luckily I personally have been affected by not being able to travel overseas and that's it no biggy there compared to others.Europe has still a long way to go. Manning a China witch hunt even if it's as subtle as this threads title is old news regurgitated for what?To find the truth?or hold some accountable?To converse with like minded individuals on a surf website?
#stopasianhate
Ha ha classic and now we care what some priest says??
Scomo is guilty, but only guilty of not thinking ahead on how innocent words can be twisted and used against him.
I started the thread because i thought those two videos were eye openers, an advisor who works with the WHO telling us it's highly likely it did escape from a lab there.
In the last month or two there has been quite a few articles on the issue, the narrative does seem to be changing.
BTW. You do know you can despise a government like China and actually not hate the people?
I personally have lots of respect for chinese people, one of the smartest & hardworking groups of people, every country you go they run successful business.
The Chinese government though probably the worst and most dangerous government in the world.
Agreed Indo, and Facto smith is always trying to twist things to be about race.
@adam12 , I find most msm news sources bias in some way , what in your opinion is a legitimate news source ? @ indo , totally agree, nothing wrong with the Chinese people in general but the CCP have an atrocious human rights record and what they get away with in this day and age against their own people is a crime against humanity. The western world seems to turn a blind eye when it comes to the CCP and human rights.
"The WHO fucked up. Lied about masks and transmission in confined spaces because they didn't want to panic under-resourced nations."
they also lied about human to human transmission, and a whole heap of other things it seems. they called stopping international flights uneccesary, and, ...sigh... racist..
they've spewed mindless chinese propaganda and praise from day one, they are a fucking disgrace
they also shut taiwan out of the conversation. taiwan, who were the first to acknowledge human to human transmission, and have been incredibly successful fighting the virus without all the over the top draconian bullshit that came out of china... why is that? ...seriously... why?
"The CCP lied about the initial outbreak. It is their natural reaction to bad news."
so its all just 'culture' then hey?
...yeh, ok ...no problem... joe...
they fucken lied about everything, and disappeared doctors to cover their tracks ffs
'But soon after they released the G-nome."
what about the data? it was at best bullshit, at worst intentionally withheld and manipulated, still is...
"The virus spread itself."
yeh, with the help of continuing international flights from wuhan, all whilst china shut its internal borders to wuhan, ...explain that one to me?
"There is no conspiracy."
no conspiracy, just a heap of dog arsed corruption, collusion and maliciousness
"FoxNews and The Australian are not legitimate news sources. Rupert Murdoch is a mining billionaire that runs a media propaganda front."
please ...please! ...inform me of these legitimate news sources that are telling the real story... im honestly pleading, ..legitimately, wholeheatedly pleading with you... share some sources
"Try not to be so gullible boys."
right back at ya big fella
"To deny Covid hasn't affected us all by some way would be totally ignorant.Luckily I personally have been affected by not being able to travel overseas and that's it no biggy"
half the world shut down, poor countries desperately trying to follow suit, resulting in immense suffering, people legitimately starving as a result of ill thought out lockdowns, much of world economy in ruins...
but...
'Luckily I personally have been affected by not being able to travel overseas and that's it no biggy...'
so all's sweet then? ...no big issue, the biggest world event since WW11 is all a bit of a storm in a tea cup, or so it would seem...
"there compared to others.Europe has still a long way to go. Manning a China witch hunt even if it's as subtle as this threads title is old news regurgitated for what?To find the truth?or hold some accountable?To converse with like minded individuals on a surf website?"
yeh to fund the truth!
yeh to hold some accountable!
(and not just the chinese!)
your nochalance and dismisiveness is just astounding, disturbingly so...
"#stopasianhate"
yeh ok, no problem with that...
(though I do have a problem with tacky, juvenile, seemingly pointless, fleeting moment hashtags...)
...the CCP and the UN sorting their shit would go a long way to fixing your supposed 'asian hate' problem...
@adam 12 , would you consider the news reports ( in the beginning from all msm sources ) that Iraq had WOMD a conspiracy theory ? Or just fake news ?
Sypkan, I'm home for lunch, no time to get into it now, but will later if you are up for it. I actually agree with some of what you say. And there's plenty of legit news, BBC World News has a podcast on all this at the moment, have a listen.
Supafreak, WMD was obvious bullshit at the time, a confected excuse to hit Saddam perpetrated by Bush/Cheney, and John Howard. They all should have ended up in the Hague. It was beyond fake news or conspiracy although it was both of them. It was a war crime.
Snuffy, JFK was killed by the Dulles brothers working with the Chicago outfit and Momo Giancana. It was a CIA black ops/mafia hit, a payback. Sirhan Sirhan and James Earl Ray remain two of the most confusing yet interesting assassins in modern history. Those are a mystery wrapped in a riddle.
does factless lamemo like memes?
or is it just that his ideological position is so pathetic and compromised he cannot engage in dialogue?
no. 2, so he uses lame memos to try and delegitimise people, to try to deplatform people...
its a tired and well worn tactic, a well known and well used tactic, well well past its used by date
but carry on....
'winning'
bbc, have been all over this shit
somewhat out of their contemporary character some might say...
which is probably why the ccp try to ban them, ...try to delegitimise them... try and deplatform them...
hmmmm, reoccuring patterns....
they even went down the 'G of F' research road...
if only more media were willing to actually do their job!
A year ago the media and (so called) experts were saying it didn't escape from a lab, but the narrative in a lot of media does seem to be changing and many have ruled out the wet market theory.
This guy (in vids) is an advisor to the WHO and on face value seems fairly credible https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Metzl
He seems to believe that Covid did escape from a lab, which off course China would never admit even if it did, and any investigation they have allowed has basically been as you expect very controlled.
BTW. Just because it appears to have come together naturally doesn't mean it didn't escape from a lab, it could have been a virus they collected in wild and were studying.
Really what are the chances that of all areas of China it has sprung up in the area where there just happens to be the Institute of Virology laboratory that studies say 2 type viruses.
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