All Things Religion Thread
suchas wrote:
Stand by- the second coming is nigh-
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/08/donald-trump-king-of-israel
MAGA in 2024
basesix wrote:
haha, yeh, feels swampy and dank conceptually don't it? Lots went on though.. lest we forget.. and whatever the high-art commissions trend was, reflects the thoughts of the time..
they would have loved plumbing, Darwin, vaccinations, cars, internet, and weis mango bars.. it makes you feel like you're living in the future, when you bog into our near-past.
Watched 2/3rds of it last night lots of it is quite interesting and educational it only started getting a bit slummy and depressing when the artwork gets more classic like detailed paintings of Jesus on crosses and shot in Europe, much rather those desert blue skys.
Religions of peace dropping more bombs of peace in the Middle East.
Wonder it these peaceful religions will begin a peaceful WW3
burleigh wrote:
Religions of peace dropping more bombs of peace in the Middle East.
Wonder it these peaceful religions will begin a peaceful WW3
The burleigh hypocrisy knows no limits. Lol
I have a type of theory perhaps even conspiracy theory on this.
While Bidens initial response to Oct 7th and supporting Israel was very good, in the last few months its done a 360 turn and he has really been letting Israel down, because of course it's an election year and he is clearly trying to keep his voters happy and Arab voters happy.
This has made Israel realize that they cant trust Biden and would be much better off with USA being under Trump.
Israel of course want to take out Iran figures when possible as they are the main funder of Hamas and other proxies so there is a motivation there, but normally they wouldn't want to trigger an Iran response but right now triggering Iran into retaliation isnt such a bad thing, it works politically for Israel, because Biden/USA has no choice now but to help Israel and in effect will piss off many democrat voters and Arab voters.
Hence this incident works against Biden and favours Trump, Trump can also say this would never happen under him as Biden has been very weak in dealing with Iran and almost even funding them.
Sorry probably isn't really the thread for this, but topic has gone that way.
Roadkill wrote:
I’m looking forward to the usual suspects blaming Israel.
Dropping bombs for peace is like fucking for virginity.
Hey Opti, the Catholics have confession as a means of getting their sins forgiven what do you and your Pentecostal counterparts have or do? Direct prayer to your god?
What do U DO after being a P..k , Smiley , snicker , laugh , or Smile .
Have U NOT seen a person PRAY , or U asking 4 some hints ?
Unless it's a legit Question , WHY are U HERE ?
Are U trying to Waste a Persons time 4 your fn FUN , ffs ?
I suppose its not Sunday .
GuySmiley wrote:
Hey Opti, the Catholics have confession as a means of getting their sins forgiven what do you and your Pentecostal counterparts have or do? Direct prayer to your god?
you can't use google? or just looking for amo?
ashsam wrote:
Hey Opti, the Catholics have confession as a means of getting their sins forgiven what do you and your Pentecostal counterparts have or do? Direct prayer to your god?you can't use google? or just looking for amo?
GuySmiley. Simple answer, they check into Swellnet forums !!!!. AW
Well well I’ve been thinking about that question since Opti posted his 10 commandments information last week … geez
What about it Opti?
GS
I hope this helps in your discovery 4 The Meaning Of Life .
Taoism : Shit happens .
Hinduism : This Shit happened before .
Islam : If Shit happens , take a hostage .
Buddism : When Shit really happens , is it really shit ?
Sikhism - Don't seek shit , it will find U ( or , don't let your nose lead U astray ) .
7th Day Adventist : Shit happens on a Saturday .
Protestantism : Shit only happens if U work harder .
Catholicism : If Shit happens , I probably deserve it .
Jehovah's Witness : Knock , knock , Shit happens .
Judaism : Why does Shit always happen 2 me ?
Hare Krishna ; Shit happens Rama Rama Ding Dong .
Atheism : No Shit .
TV Evangelism : Send more shit .
Rastafarianism : Let's smoke this Shit .
Pop Down wrote:
GS
I hope this helps in your discovery 4 The Meaning Of Life .
Taoism : Shit happens .
Hinduism : This Shit happened before .
Islam : If Shit happens , take a hostage .
Buddism : When Shit really happens , is it really shit ?
Sikhism - Don't seek shit , it will find U ( or , don't let your nose lead U astray ) .
7th Day Adventist : Shit happens on a Saturday .
Protestantism : Shit only happens if U work harder .
Catholicism : If Shit happens , I probably deserve it .
Jehovah's Witness : Knock , knock , Shit happens .
Judaism : Why does Shit always happen 2 me ?
Hare Krishna ; Shit happens Rama Rama Ding Dong .
Atheism : No Shit .
TV Evangelism : Send more shit .
Rastafarianism : Let's smoke this Shit .
PopDown.
Brilliant mate, some of your finest work ever.
Nearly choked on my post surf brekkie.
Still pissing myself laughing at some of them.
Great stuff. AW
Sorry I’ve been mowing…normally surfing at this time of day.
Guys question is a good and genuine one…
The only way to have your sins forgiven is to ask God directly.
A Catholic priest could guide you but not forgive you….and Mary can’t help you.
There is no mediator between God and man but Jesus Christ.
I’m pleased you’re thinking this way Guy good on ya.
If your serious , pray this prayer…on your own ,.in a quiet place and deep from your heart….I went out under a starry sky ….all alone and …..never looked back.
Heavenly Father, I’m sorry for all I’ve done wrong.
In the name of Jesus your son please forgive me of all my sins …
….and I will forgive everyone who has sinned against me.
I know Jesus died in my place and took the blame for me.
Thank you for loving me and giving me a new life….amen.
That simple prayer gets Gods attention if it’s genuine and a new life begins.
After this read the New Testament and be baptised in a nice church or in the sea or river with some new friends.
After that ask God to infill you with His spirit and He will fill the holes that will be left in you from the cleanse.
This is important as Jesus once said “ you can’t put new wine into old wine skins or they will burst”.
We see some Christian’s bursting as they hold onto old ungodly ways like love of money ,wrong sex stuff ,anger , unforgiveness….etc etc.
The hard part for me from experience was feeling a bit corny and uncomfortable with being nice all the time no matter what people did to me.
But…practise and continually going back to Jesus and new Christian friends for some prayer helps a lot….
It’s a journey…..from rebel to a son of God…..and God is building something new and wants new minded people in it.
Hey AW
The Religions Of The World , was not My Stuff but from A " Bloods Letter " and I only just added in the Seek Religion this morning , after find this Issue today haha .
My last footy club had a News Letter , published Whenever the 2 Guys had some time 2 think of some Stuff worthwhile reading .
These guys are very funny .
A "I'm Confused - Things just aren't what they seem anymore ......" Regular Section , had the Whole Club informed of All the Big ( like Religion Issues ) .
eg
Comments - was an unwanted explanation of your thought .
# - never saw one on a 'Buddha Stick " .
Instagram - something u read at a wedding .
Blog - something u create a "kanga " with .
Yahoo - won another Premiership .
Desktop - where U put your feet up ( Launch - large boat ) .
Xbox - something your googies come in .
Web - the restriction your wife wraps around you .
Internet - as opposed to the other side that doesn't catch fish .
Crashed - sleep over after a big night out .
As ALL this Stuff was in the 26/2/16 Issue Vol 14 ( the Last Blood Letter ), we often had NFI what they were talking about ( no google ) .
They were ahead of their time imho .
The Bloods - We Do It For Kicks .
Girls were bigger Legends and called themselves The Blood Clots .
Rama Rama Ding Dong , like .
Our team song summed us up , just 4 words - We Are The Bloods ( to Auld Lang Syne :) .
Thanks Opti, my question was genuine and so is this too. In light of Justice Lee’s ruling(s) yesterday and including his finding that Brittany Higgins was raped in the minister’s office have you had cause to reflect on your previous repeated statements here questioning her motives?
Pops, your post ^^ very funny
Guy a predictable and unfortunate reply.
Bruce is a very naughty boy and tells lots of lies.
Brittany is a very naughty girl and tells lots of lies.
The media is full of very naughty people who tell lots of lies.
And Albo and his team are also very cunning but very naughty as well.
But you already knew all that and are obviously bored again today…
burleigh wrote:
Another stabbing in the name of religion and peace.
you mean in the name of Alla
https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/chilling-vision-of-grinning-al…
Optimist wrote:
Guy a predictable and unfortunate reply.
Bruce is a very naughty boy and tells lots of lies.
Brittany is a very naughty girl and tells lots of lies.
The media is full of very naughty people who tell lots of lies.
And Albo and his team are also very cunning but very naughty as well.
But you already knew all that and are obviously bored again today…
Genuinely curious about your thoughts opti given justice lee’s findings.
Optimist wrote:
Guy a predictable and unfortunate reply.
Bruce is a very naughty boy and tells lots of lies.
Brittany is a very naughty girl and tells lots of lies.
The media is full of very naughty people who tell lots of lies.
And Albo and his team are also very cunning but very naughty as well.
But you already knew all that and are obviously bored again today…
that's about the extent of it
I can't remember which part the abc legal expert said, and which part the judge said, but the general summary was...
'no one hear is vindicated'
and
'there are no winners here'
yet the political operatives are having the most gleeful (vindictive) of celebrations...
it's like they listened to nothing the judge said...
another gem from the judge...
' nothing good happens after 2am'
Hey Guy Smiley
I was wrong again , very good at that , and loved Reading Opti's response , to your Bloody GOOD question about Forgiveness .
My Posts , now look a bit like Cheap bread , with a lovely filling in between .
I feel forgiveness is a Very personal issue , am stilled filled with Anger , so need 2 make some space for some goodness and find it hard work , trying to be bloody good all the time .
I would love to have more days off , where I can be a really Slack Prick and give all the feeling Stuff a break as feel a bit 2 old ( fashioned ) .
If do more Good Stuff 4 others , I know I somehow , feel better about Myself .
If I do BAD Stuff ......
So , thanks Opti , u are a legend .
As the guy that I want to fight, is a Triple Olympic Rower , 30 years younger and 10k heavier than I am , I don't feel that Bad about it .
For those questioning Ms Higgins
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-16/bruce-lehrmann-defamation-case-c…
GuySmiley wrote:
For those questioning Ms Higgins
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-16/bruce-lehrmann-defamation-case-c…
Wrong thread dude
GuySmiley wrote:
For those questioning Ms Higgins
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-16/bruce-lehrmann-defamation-case-c…
Go away with that rubbish in here.
AlfredWallace wrote:
GSI hope this helps in your discovery 4 The Meaning Of Life .
Taoism : Shit happens .
Hinduism : This Shit happened before .
Islam : If Shit happens , take a hostage .
Buddism : When Shit really happens , is it really shit ?
Sikhism - Don't seek shit , it will find U ( or , don't let your nose lead U astray ) .
7th Day Adventist : Shit happens on a Saturday .
Protestantism : Shit only happens if U work harder .
Catholicism : If Shit happens , I probably deserve it .
Jehovah's Witness : Knock , knock , Shit happens .
Judaism : Why does Shit always happen 2 me ?
Hare Krishna ; Shit happens Rama Rama Ding Dong .
Atheism : No Shit .
TV Evangelism : Send more shit .
Rastafarianism : Let's smoke this Shit .
PopDown.
Brilliant mate, some of your finest work ever.
Nearly choked on my post surf brekkie.
Still pissing myself laughing at some of them.
Great stuff. AW
Easily amused lol
AS.
ashsam wrote:
GSI hope this helps in your discovery 4 The Meaning Of Life .
Taoism : Shit happens .
Hinduism : This Shit happened before .
Islam : If Shit happens , take a hostage .
Buddism : When Shit really happens , is it really shit ?
Sikhism - Don't seek shit , it will find U ( or , don't let your nose lead U astray ) .
7th Day Adventist : Shit happens on a Saturday .
Protestantism : Shit only happens if U work harder .
Catholicism : If Shit happens , I probably deserve it .
Jehovah's Witness : Knock , knock , Shit happens .
Judaism : Why does Shit always happen 2 me ?
Hare Krishna ; Shit happens Rama Rama Ding Dong .
Atheism : No Shit .
TV Evangelism : Send more shit .
Rastafarianism : Let's smoke this Shit .
PopDown.
Brilliant mate, some of your finest work ever.
Nearly choked on my post surf brekkie.
Still pissing myself laughing at some of them.
Great stuff. AW
Easily amused lol
AS.
Ashsam. AS. Hi, hope ya well.
Well, I’m easily amused, must be my pea sized brain.
Pops is out there, that’s for sure. But it’s all good fun, and as we all say , it’s just an opinion.
Recently, I was amused by your desire to have Blowin and Brutus back on forum threads.
You weren’t one of their sycophants by any chance ?
Well your wish came true for one, Blowin is undoubtedly back, Brutus, I doubt he will be back, I spoke to him in person recently and he’s not been too well.
I now know the connection between you and him. All the best AW
AlfredWallace wrote:
GSI hope this helps in your discovery 4 The Meaning Of Life .
Taoism : Shit happens .
Hinduism : This Shit happened before .
Islam : If Shit happens , take a hostage .
Buddism : When Shit really happens , is it really shit ?
Sikhism - Don't seek shit , it will find U ( or , don't let your nose lead U astray ) .
7th Day Adventist : Shit happens on a Saturday .
Protestantism : Shit only happens if U work harder .
Catholicism : If Shit happens , I probably deserve it .
Jehovah's Witness : Knock , knock , Shit happens .
Judaism : Why does Shit always happen 2 me ?
Hare Krishna ; Shit happens Rama Rama Ding Dong .
Atheism : No Shit .
TV Evangelism : Send more shit .
Rastafarianism : Let's smoke this Shit .
PopDown.
Brilliant mate, some of your finest work ever.
Nearly choked on my post surf brekkie.
Still pissing myself laughing at some of them.
Great stuff. AW
Easily amused lol
AS.Ashsam. AS. Hi, hope ya well.
Well, I’m easily amused, must be my pea sized brain.
Pops is out there, that’s for sure. But it’s all good fun, and as we all say , it’s just an opinion.
Recently, I was amused by your desire to have Blowin and Brutus back on forum threads.
You weren’t one of their sycophants by any chance ?Well your wish came true for one, Blowin is undoubtedly back, Brutus, I doubt he will be back, I spoke to him in person recently and he’s not been too well.
I now know the connection between you and him. All the best AW
Yes going well thanks for asking. No connections lol, was probably just joking. You know what they say about opinions.
It can get weird on here some topics you agree with someone but another topic polar opposites.
ashsam wrote:
GSI hope this helps in your discovery 4 The Meaning Of Life .
Taoism : Shit happens .
Hinduism : This Shit happened before .
Islam : If Shit happens , take a hostage .
Buddism : When Shit really happens , is it really shit ?
Sikhism - Don't seek shit , it will find U ( or , don't let your nose lead U astray ) .
7th Day Adventist : Shit happens on a Saturday .
Protestantism : Shit only happens if U work harder .
Catholicism : If Shit happens , I probably deserve it .
Jehovah's Witness : Knock , knock , Shit happens .
Judaism : Why does Shit always happen 2 me ?
Hare Krishna ; Shit happens Rama Rama Ding Dong .
Atheism : No Shit .
TV Evangelism : Send more shit .
Rastafarianism : Let's smoke this Shit .
PopDown.
Brilliant mate, some of your finest work ever.
Nearly choked on my post surf brekkie.
Still pissing myself laughing at some of them.
Great stuff. AW
Easily amused lol
AS.Ashsam. AS. Hi, hope ya well.
Well, I’m easily amused, must be my pea sized brain.
Pops is out there, that’s for sure. But it’s all good fun, and as we all say , it’s just an opinion.
Recently, I was amused by your desire to have Blowin and Brutus back on forum threads.
You weren’t one of their sycophants by any chance ?Well your wish came true for one, Blowin is undoubtedly back, Brutus, I doubt he will be back, I spoke to him in person recently and he’s not been too well.
I now know the connection between you and him. All the best AWYes going well thanks for asking. No connections lol, was probably just joking. You know what they say about opinions.
It can get weird on here some topics you agree with someone but another topic polar opposites.
Ashsam. True. I think we can all be kinder to each other, including myself. Keep well.
You know how it goes, an idea or thought fills your head , urgency kicks in but you forget to engage the brain before opening the mouth.
I’ve certainly been guilty of that over the years.
My very late grandmother use to have a small ceramic tile hanging over her ancient cast iron stove, oven and heater in her kitchen,
As a kid I clearly remember the words . ‘Ensure your brain is engaged before putting mouth into gear ‘. Salient advice. AW
AlfredWallace wrote:
GSI hope this helps in your discovery 4 The Meaning Of Life .
Taoism : Shit happens .
Hinduism : This Shit happened before .
Islam : If Shit happens , take a hostage .
Buddism : When Shit really happens , is it really shit ?
Sikhism - Don't seek shit , it will find U ( or , don't let your nose lead U astray ) .
7th Day Adventist : Shit happens on a Saturday .
Protestantism : Shit only happens if U work harder .
Catholicism : If Shit happens , I probably deserve it .
Jehovah's Witness : Knock , knock , Shit happens .
Judaism : Why does Shit always happen 2 me ?
Hare Krishna ; Shit happens Rama Rama Ding Dong .
Atheism : No Shit .
TV Evangelism : Send more shit .
Rastafarianism : Let's smoke this Shit .
PopDown.
Brilliant mate, some of your finest work ever.
Nearly choked on my post surf brekkie.
Still pissing myself laughing at some of them.
Great stuff. AW
Easily amused lol
AS.Ashsam. AS. Hi, hope ya well.
Well, I’m easily amused, must be my pea sized brain.
Pops is out there, that’s for sure. But it’s all good fun, and as we all say , it’s just an opinion.
Recently, I was amused by your desire to have Blowin and Brutus back on forum threads.
You weren’t one of their sycophants by any chance ?Well your wish came true for one, Blowin is undoubtedly back, Brutus, I doubt he will be back, I spoke to him in person recently and he’s not been too well.
I now know the connection between you and him. All the best AWYes going well thanks for asking. No connections lol, was probably just joking. You know what they say about opinions.
It can get weird on here some topics you agree with someone but another topic polar opposites.Ashsam. True. I think we can all be kinder to each other, including myself. Keep well.
You know how it goes, an idea or thought fills your head , urgency kicks in but you forget to engage the brain before opening the mouth.I’ve certainly been guilty of that over the years.
My very late grandmother use to have a small ceramic tile hanging over her ancient cast iron stove, oven and heater in her kitchen,As a kid I clearly remember the words . ‘Ensure your brain is engaged before putting mouth into gear ‘. Salient advice. AW
Haha
Think before you speak was a good one
Or up here for thinking down here for you know what
Easy to type something and hit send that you wouldn’t say face to face.
What does penance mean to you? Anyone?
Okay I’ll go first; to me it’s logging onto SN and having to read daily dose of triple strength tripe from the usual suspects … Oh Lord grant me thy penance here on earth”.
Good morning IB, hoping to get back to your beautiful country later in the year. South Island again.
The thing about penance is it’s to be welcomed because the more you get on this earth, the more you suffer, the quicker you get to the pearly gates. Hope I’ve clarified that, cheers
GuySmiley wrote:
What does penance mean to you? Anyone?
Okay I’ll go first; to me it’s logging onto SN and having to read daily dose of triple strength tripe from the usual suspects … Oh Lord grant me thy penance here on earth”.
The irony is strong from noideaGuy.
Thanks RK, I’m grateful for every lil bit even from a twerp such as yourself so here’s some back at ya, cheers
Hey Smiley
As U don't HAVE to read any comments on SN , U are Doing Daily penance , by Choice .
Thats called Self Flagellation , I think , and guessing it hurts .
Mate , give it up , maybe , U might go blind ?
GuySmiley wrote:
For those questioning Ms Higgins
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-16/bruce-lehrmann-defamation-case-c…
For those too stupid to not think Ms Higgins should be questioned.
The judgment also found that an allegation pushed by Ms Higgins and her partner, David Sharaz, claiming there had been a cover-up of the rape allegation, was “objectively short on facts, but long on speculation and internal inconsistencies”.
Good morning popsicles, Yes and no, you clearly are on the right tram but you seem to confusing the desired penance with sinning!
Roadkill wrote:
For those questioning Ms Higginshttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-16/bruce-lehrmann-defamation-case-c…
For those too stupid to not think Ms Higgins should be questioned.
The judgment also found that an allegation pushed by Ms Higgins and her partner, David Sharaz, claiming there had been a cover-up of the rape allegation, was “objectively short on facts, but long on speculation and internal inconsistencies”.
Front page if The Australian calling for RC into Higgins payout, reckon should get one going for the whole debacle to investigate if there was a cover up by any parties including AFP, LNP, and ALP as well as sections of the media and judiciary.
There is more to this case than meets the eye I reckon but saying that at the end of the day it does appear she was raped and Lehrman is a sexual predator. Let's see what happens in Toowoomba case.
Why no mention of maybe a dater rape drug being used as was suspected by AFP?
https://kangaroocourtofaustralia.com/2024/04/11/did-bruce-lehrmann-use-…
Roadkill wrote:
For those questioning Ms Higginshttps://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04-16/bruce-lehrmann-defamation-case-c…
For those too stupid to not think Ms Higgins should be questioned.
The judgment also found that an allegation pushed by Ms Higgins and her partner, David Sharaz, claiming there had been a cover-up of the rape allegation, was “objectively short on facts, but long on speculation and internal inconsistencies”.
Front page if The Australian calling for RC into Higgins payout, reckon should get one going for the whole debacle to investigate if there was a cover up by any parties including AFP, LNP, and ALP as well as sections of the media and judiciary.
There is more to this case than meets the eye I reckon but saying that at the end of the day it does appear she was raped and Lehrman is a sexual predator. Let's see what happens in Toowoomba case.
Why no mention of maybe a dater rape drug being used as was suspected by AFP?
https://kangaroocourtofaustralia.com/2024/04/11/did-bruce-lehrmann-use-…
Sheepdog wrote:
Bondi compared to the church
Yeah nah while we could argue about what terrorism is or isnt, most agree Terrorism is generally regarded as a violent act with a political, ideological or religious motivation. (like the Christchurch mosque shootings that was a terrorist attack by a white guy)
One seems to not have any clear political/religious social motivations more just a mentally ill person thats fucked up in the head and lost the plot.
The other clearly has religious/ideological motivations even yelling Allahu Akbar' as he stabbed the bishop in the head, neck and torso at least eight times.
I know you people think everything in life is about skin colour, but it's really not, skin colour isn't really that important.
“… I know you people think everything in life is about skin colour, but it's really not, skin colour isn't really that important.“
Some penance coming your way it seems Info. Aren’t you the person who occasionally referred to his partner as a woman of colour because of her indo heritage? Aren’t you also the person who offered up the milk and coffee analogy in your defence of Bolt’s infamous 18c court case where he questioned the identity of Aboriginal Australians on the basis of skin colour? Bruce Pascoe criticism ..?
Any person who pretends 2 B a FNP , 2 take advantage of the Goodwill Australia is trying 2 give OUR FNP , sure deserves severe criticism imho .
I don't believe for ONE second , that Bruce Pascoe is a FNP .
IF he was , he would B going Out of His Way , 2 prove it .
IMHO , Bruce is a charlatan and a leech .
He can easily PROVE I am wrong , again .
If he wants the rewards , he sure can Prove , that he deserves them !
indo-dreaming wrote:
Bondi compared to the church
Yeah nah while we could argue about what terrorism is or isnt, most agree Terrorism is generally regarded as a violent act with a political, ideological or religious motivation. (like the Christchurch mosque shootings that was a terrorist attack by a white guy)
One seems to not have any clear political/religious social motivations more just a mentally ill person thats fucked up in the head and lost the plot.
The other clearly has religious/ideological motivations even yelling Allahu Akbar' as he stabbed the bishop in the head, neck and torso at least eight times.
I know you people think everything in life is about skin colour, but it's really not, skin colour isn't really that important.
Here you go optimist
Not sure my motivation...my instinctive need to stick up for the underdog...my secret desire to be one day honoured rightfully with the role of Forum moderator (expecting a call any day)...
But anyway I couldn't help but read your troubles on another thread...unfortunately I found myself siding with everyone's posts...other than your own...except for the part where you were told you can't post here!
So I put my low IQ mind to coming up with a solution that suits all...and here it is...a safe place if you like
You can post anything you like about your beliefs...and no one has to read it unless they want! Easy peasy...
maybe you could even get Jesus, fat Buddha, Mohammed, and friends to converse in adult conversation here
Solving the world problems, one at a time...call it taking a shovel as a way of moving that mountain
All the best...brother
PS...I actually was born again once, but I grew up, and grew a brain of my own...and realised it was all a load of shit!