ooh ooh ooh ... this is where @ashsam and @jef can conjoin.. any coffs sners?

Yes. Jeffrey sees the ultimate betrayal of a population by a con artist in Trump, but is an apologist for the one that has been allowed to sit higher than him. It's actually hilarious Jeffrey. Now might be the time to take a break and reflect on that.

Well I’m not actually religious myself,
but if religion gives someone hope and happiness, and meaning
I can’t actually see the benefit of entering into a heated debate, with them , just to ruin their day.
It’s actually hilarious that you think the pope can tank the world economy and dismantle 100s of years of democracy in the US ,
What part of figure head don’t you get
The pope has as much power as King Charles or the Dalai Lama. Why aren’t we hating on them ,philosophically?

Because MAGA have feelings too and are little old ladies sometimes!!

All in or nothing Jeffrey! You're contradicting your beliefs. Reflect.

Might just throw in a musical interlude for subtle devotion
& spiritual guidance …

Triple chin bullfrog and mum n dad go alright ;)

Well, if you believe in that stuff then the Pope is in a 'much better place'.
Probably didn't even have to go through a wormhole or get on a dodgy plane with limited parachutes.
Surely, he has VIP pass and would be waved straight past security at the Pearly Gates and ushered past the purple rope for tea and scones with the big fella.

Loved it JF.

Exactly @TS. He's in a better place and we're stuck here!
Extra wax on the board tomorrow,...don't want any ungodly slips!!!
Anyway..maybe one day...we'll all reach the heights and heavenly status the pope reached today.

Comparing the Pope to Trump is ridiculous
The pope can’t tank the world economy and dismantle hundreds of years of democracy,
He’s a figurehead with as much power as King Charles or the Dalai Lama , none except gives people someone to look up to .
How much good do opshops and homeless services like Father Bob do , a very far cry from Trumps ICE
I know it’s all very trendy to put shit on the religion of your choice, if it makes you feel superior
But a lot of surfers love to say that surfing is their religion, but der it’s still a religion.

Optimist and IB are gonna HATE me tomorrow when they wake up and see this.
Breathe fellas. Invite HIM in.

Confusion wrote:

Comparing the Pope to Trump is ridiculous

The pope can’t tank the world economy and dismantle hundreds of years of democracy,

He’s a figurehead with as much power as King Charles or the Dalai Lama , none except gives people someone to look up to .

How much good do opshops and homeless services like Father Bob do , a very far cry from Trumps ICE

Reflect Jeffrey

@jef mate, it's late. an education on the yips of catholicism? even Opti will join in. This feels like a good old-fashioned @PopDown gather round..
(all respect to your loved ones and their background)

Shit. Forgot about Poppy!!
Anyway.
In the spirit of religion and Trumpy...
USA USA!!

Shit. Forgot about Poppy!!
Anyway.
In the spirit of religion and Trumpy...
USA USA!!

Fuck i didn't post it twice...and god didn't,....so that only leaves one person(ish)......

Okay every Catholic and religious person out there is totally evil,
Not that I’m into one dimensional, shallow generalisations at all.

thanks for the heads up re the football game @sr. it was a fun one. you like the geelong football team? they seemed a really good team. the smith bandana guy made me laugh when he boofed that guy in the head. the eagles team took some spiffy marks. In the third quarter an eagles player made an amazing left foot snap from a very difficult angle. it seemed the correct team won.

Put it this way. Don't fuck with the higher forces....but do call out the cultism(especially with not just decades , but easily observable centuries of incredibly horrific dismeanours).
Humans are too easily misled (as Jeffrey would understand ;-) ).
Believe what you want. Share it all you want. Form a cult and push it as 'the only way for humans' and expect to be met with complete resistance.

Jeffrey, somewhere i think you've missed the point i've made about religion being separate from belief. Believe what you want. I have my own spiritual beliefs. But i don't form a gang to decry other beliefs as being inferior to mine. I think somehow in our convo here that's been missed by you. I posted it earlier. Lets call it a misunderstanding?

But there's definitely still some meat on the bone to chew on regarding MAGA, religion and your disdain for one but not the other. Honestly reckon you need to reflect on that.

Because they are both exactly the same thing....ones on the macro(on world history timeline)...ones on the micro....but you'll support one but not the other.

southernraw wrote:

Because they are both exactly the same thing....ones on the macro(on world history timeline)...ones on the micro....but you'll support one but not the other.

The other point being, it’s not the hating of Trump and MAGA that is the main issue, it’s the love of Democracy that makes people passionate,
I can’t see anyway the Pope threatens democracy or the world’s stability, anywhere near as much as Trumps regime.
Defining either one as a cult or not is a philosophical question and is irrelevant to what is actually happening.
How much damage has the Pope done to the world in the last 3 months.
Reflect on that.

Jeffrey, i like you, i've always made that clear, but on this one, i think you're missing the bigger picture. And i mean the BIGGER picture. Think about it bruz.
Noight.

southernraw wrote:

Jeffrey, i like you, i've always made that clear, but on this one, i think you're missing the bigger picture. And i mean the BIGGER picture. Think about it bruz.

Noight.

My previous
The bigger picture isn’t a philosophical question about when is a cult a cult?
Its about comparing how much damage Trump has done to the Worlds economy, security, democracy, stability in the last 3 months, compared to how much damage the Pope has done to the world in that 3 months period ,
The difference should be obvious.

hehe. Come on now Jeffrey.
Take some time my friend.
Think.....biggggger picture. The influence and fallout from 2000 years of the church compared to the miniscule 2 months of Twumpy! Ya reckon old orange face has 'trumped' that yet? R ya fucken serious cunt?
Come on Jeffrey.

We aint comparing Twump and the Pope here....and i made that clear from the start.....we're talking about a 2000 year old institution...or cult(plus all the other instituions...choose your cult/religion)....if you like.....and one man that's somehow fumbled his way into power for 100 days. And you reckon Twumpys the evilest of all dudes. Fark me Jeffrey.

I think we're on the same side but you only read the back page of the book.

Hectic.

Confusion wrote:

southernraw wrote:

Jeffrey, i like you, i've always made that clear, but on this one, i think you're missing the bigger picture. And i mean the BIGGER picture. Think about it bruz.

Noight.

My previous

The bigger picture isn’t a philosophical question about when is a cult a cult?

Its about comparing how much damage Trump has done to the Worlds economy, security, democracy, stability in the last 3 months, compared to how much damage the Pope has done to the world in that 3 months period ,

The difference should be obvious.

Old Jorge couldn’t inflict too much damage lately. The horrid organisation he and others who run the grift for him sure did. Vacuuming money money money.
From little old ladies no less.
Disgusting levels of wealth while giving fuck all back. The Catholics do absolutely nothing unless the taxpayer is stumping up 90%.

southernraw wrote:

hehe. Come on now Jeffrey.

Take some time my friend.

Think.....biggggger picture. The influence and fallout from 2000 years of the church compared to the miniscule 2 months of Twumpy! Ya reckon old orange face has 'trumped' that yet? R ya fucken serious cunt?

Come on Jeffrey.

The real irony is that when the Pope dies , they just replace him with another one,
That’s the funny part, with all the yahooing
Anyway I’m more concerned with the immediate threat of a Trump regime, .
Than pondering on what happened 2000 years ago until now.
I’ve done a lot of driving, probably more than you and most of it was looking forward through the windscreen , not looking backwards through the rear view mirror!

And please don't keep putting little old ladies at the opshop up as your shield for the righteousness of religion.

Speaking of religion.....

Confusion wrote:

southernraw wrote:

hehe. Come on now Jeffrey.

Take some time my friend.

Think.....biggggger picture. The influence and fallout from 2000 years of the church compared to the miniscule 2 months of Twumpy! Ya reckon old orange face has 'trumped' that yet? R ya fucken serious cunt?

Come on Jeffrey.

The real irony is that when the Pope dies , they just replace him with another one,

That’s the funny part, with all the yahooing

Anyway I’m more concerned with the immediate threat of a Trump regime, .

Than pondering on what happened 2000 years ago until now.

Well you say that, but you're not. Because you've been carrying on about it.
And agreed with above @seeds.
Anyway, seems there'll be no stable resolution on this tonight so i'll bid a good night.

Thanks @andymac.
Love that song.
Live is best.
Listened to them today.
Aloha!

Religion and politics......pffft.
Never ends well.
Wishing ya's all the best, regardless of religious or political beliefs.
And just reiterating, i never rejoice or wish harm on a fellow human.....i do wish harm on institutions that harm fellow humans though and their spearheads.

Beware little old ladies.

haha @seeds. A spanner in the works!

southernraw wrote:

And please don't keep putting little old ladies at the opshop up as your shield for the righteousness of religion.

Actually, having spent years in the Philippines and years driving a taxi, I’ve e probably met a whole lot more Catholics than you have,
That’s why I don’t automatically judge the whole lot of them as some evil cult.
What do you base your opinion on
History books?

Oh fargenhell they’re all shit Confusion! All peddling the same braindead nonsense.
Have a look at Old Jorge. In his robes. On his balcony. And the big fuck off castle of God.
Jesus would be appalled.
He seemed pretty lefty and bitch slapped the money men.
Jesus, if he was the son of the “spaghetti monster” ;) would smite these Jorges and their money and real estate. And their racism and misogyny and……..

Confusion wrote:

southernraw wrote:

And please don't keep putting little old ladies at the opshop up as your shield for the righteousness of religion.

Actually, having spent years in the Philippines and years driving a taxi, I’ve e probably met a whole lot more Catholics than you have,

That’s why I don’t automatically judge the whole lot of them as some evil cult.

What do you base your opinion on

History books?

Well jeez you've put me on the spot Jeffrey.
i mean, in all my human interactions, over the years, have i come across religion??
Hmm.
Ok well no...never, because it's really not universal is it...
but anyhoo..let me go back to a time.
Fijians
Lived amongst them.
Deeply religious.
Just liket the phillipinos in your taxi!!!
Reflect confused jeffrey. Reflect You're missing some key things in this discussion. Now i'm tired so leave me alone.
Good night!!

seeds wrote:

Oh fargenhell they’re all shit Confusion! All peddling the same braindead nonsense.

Have a look at Old Jorge. In his robes. On his balcony. And the big fuck off castle of God.

Jesus would be appalled.

He seemed pretty lefty and bitch slapped the money men.

Jesus, if he was the son of the “spaghetti monster” ;) would smite these Jorges and their money and real estate. And their racism and misogyny and……..

PLUS 1!!!!!

seeds wrote:

Oh fargenhell they’re all shit Confusion! All peddling the same braindead nonsense.

Have a look at Old Jorge. In his robes. On his balcony. And the big fuck off castle of God.

Jesus would be appalled.

He seemed pretty lefty and bitch slapped the money men.

Jesus, if he was the son of the “spaghetti monster” ;) would smite these Jorges and their money and real estate. And their racism and misogyny and……..

Fing hell ,
are you on to your 3rd six pack ?
Don’t worry, I won’t mention the seeds .

'Ok well no...never, because it's really not universal is it?'
This might be sattire. I can't remember, i'm surfed out.

Confusion wrote:

seeds wrote:

Oh fargenhell they’re all shit Confusion! All peddling the same braindead nonsense.

Have a look at Old Jorge. In his robes. On his balcony. And the big fuck off castle of God.

Jesus would be appalled.

He seemed pretty lefty and bitch slapped the money men.

Jesus, if he was the son of the “spaghetti monster” ;) would smite these Jorges and their money and real estate. And their racism and misogyny and……..

Fing hell ,

are you on to your 3rd six pack ?

Thats a lowblow jeffrey and gives me the shits when people resort to that kind of mocking

Anyway, not all Filipina Catholics , are totally religious ,
That’s why I don’t like to generalise !

southernraw wrote:

Confusion wrote:

seeds wrote:

Oh fargenhell they’re all shit Confusion! All peddling the same braindead nonsense.

Have a look at Old Jorge. In his robes. On his balcony. And the big fuck off castle of God.

Jesus would be appalled.

He seemed pretty lefty and bitch slapped the money men.

Jesus, if he was the son of the “spaghetti monster” ;) would smite these Jorges and their money and real estate. And their racism and misogyny and……..

Fing hell ,

are you on to your 3rd six pack ?

Thats a lowblow jeffrey and gives me the shits when people resort to that kind of mocking

Sorry, it’s just that I couldn’t really understand what the fuck you were talking about
That’s just my way of coping with it all !!

Most Fijians have succumbed to Western religion as a way to moderate colonisation of their homeland and culture.
My opinion
Make of that what you will.

Confusion wrote:

southernraw wrote:

Confusion wrote:

seeds wrote:

Oh fargenhell they’re all shit Confusion! All peddling the same braindead nonsense.

Have a look at Old Jorge. In his robes. On his balcony. And the big fuck off castle of God.

Jesus would be appalled.

He seemed pretty lefty and bitch slapped the money men.

Jesus, if he was the son of the “spaghetti monster” ;) would smite these Jorges and their money and real estate. And their racism and misogyny and……..

Fing hell ,

are you on to your 3rd six pack ?

Thats a lowblow jeffrey and gives me the shits when people resort to that kind of mocking

Sorry, it’s just that I couldn’t really understand what the fuck you were talking about

That’s just my way of coping with it all !!

Well now i'm confused. I thought that you posted that to Seeds and was stepping in on that. Fark me Jeffrey, you really live up to your moniker.

The irony being, i've done that to @seeds in the past....which is where i learnt my lesson. Apologies Seeds!! haha. Farken hell, in a vortex. Gotta get out. See yas on the other side.