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Im still waiting for you to answer my question about PNG.
Why does PNG have very similar problems to Indigenous Australian communities???
It can't be racism it cant be colonialism(not affected like Aust) so what is it?
Poverty?....why aren't the same problems seen elsewhere to same levels in similar countries over run by poverty?
Oh and as I've said I'm not suggesting at all that it has anything to do with skin colour, pigmentation, DNA or even race.
Ive answered a number of your questions but you won't (or should i say CANT) answer just one of mine.
hey @andym I see @info has asked you several times " Why does PNG have very similar problems to Indigenous Australian communities??? ...."
Just wondering whether our resident numbnuts has provided more than ill-informed opinion to back up his comparing PNG and AU like that? Links maybe?
Couldn't give a fuck what name someone posts under Stuart. Unless of course they accuse and disrespect a real person using their real name and make completely false and misleading comments about them to put them down.....without using their real name. On a public forum. On your forum. The one that Blowin used to try to spout untrue shit about me....urgh...that should have seen him immediately banned (again) under the rules that you have layed out.
If it's two anonymous' going at it.....who cares.
But you'll happily delete my comments whenever i ask why 3 margs cams...with names. Nice censorship there. I'm sure this one will get deleted too.
What is it with you and names?
I mean, how does anyone even know it's your real name anyway..?
Jesus...
I've got my money on that it is "bluediamond".
Didn't you throw the toys out of the cot and say you're out a few weeks ago?
It seems you have been living under a rock but most people know that PNG has extremely high levels of domestic violence especially towards women and children, which is also one of the main problems seen in indigenous community's in particular remote communities .
In Australian indigenous communities, people often explain these high rates of violence with catch phrases like colonisation, intergenerational trauma, even racism.
Obviously in PNG you cant do this, so what's the explanation of these high rates of violence in PNG????
Just imagine this for a minute.
That the English decided PNG was the better place to settle and not Australia and history unfolded in PNG in the same way it did Australia with the majority of the population being non Papuan.
Now of course if this happened everyone would be explaining the violence seen in PNG papuan communities as a result of colonisation, intergenerational trauma, racism.
Which would obviously be incorrect.
And if Australia had only seen colonisation in a similar way to what PNG has, who's to say things would be any different in regards to levels of violence in indigenous communities.
The reason why Andy wont tackle this question is because he cant explain the cause's of violence in PNG and would have to admit it's cultural based, which then becomes problematic because if its cultural based in PNG whats to say its not culture based in Australia.
Nothing.
Nothing factual about issues in remote communities, nothing comparing remote to town communities, and nothing at all about the supposed similarities between PNG and Australia.
Just a thin, watery blurt so as to assert that black people are bad.
Waiter, more milk if you please!
Still waiting Andy or Guy, do you want to tackle the question?
First thing I found.
“ weak enforcement of laws criminalizing corruption and violence against women and children continued to foster a culture of impunity and lawlessness. Although a resource-rich country, almost 40 percent of its population lives in poverty, which, together with poor health care, barriers to education, corruption, and economic mismanagement, stunts PNG’s progress.”
https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2020/country-chapters/papua-new-guinea
I thought as much @andym, numbnuts probably hasn't been further west than the Newell and most certainly never to PNG, unfortunately for him I have and given his insipid attempt immediately above some darn good sport at his expense is about to be had... standby
@indo-dreaming "...because if its cultural based in PNG whats to say its not culture based in Australia." At a guess, Aboriginal people.
I can hear you ask so why isn’t it the same in other countries that have poverty.
Well you need to show me that it’s not the case because it’s your assertion.
Oh please what tripe.
Countless countries have exactly the same issues including Indonesia but dont have he problems with violence seen in PNG.
Poverty doesn't cause people to be violent.
At the risk of stepping into a boot 'n' all shitfight, has anybody read any Thomas Sowell? I found his work very helpful in the area of race, culture and migration. I started with Black Rednecks and White Liberals, which was a real eye opener for me. Not so much a different point of view but an evidence based approach that is extremely well argued on a range of topics, several of which have been argued here. I'm getting through Race and Culture now. It's more detailed and a heavier read but also well worth the effort.
And no, I haven't read the whole thread. That would be like wanking with a cheese grater...slightly amusing but mostly painful!
Ive listened to many of his interviews and talks/thoughts on things, is been a little while so I cant remember exactly what he had to say other than what he said generally made a lot of sense and remember thinking he was a super smart wise guy.
Stu i'll pay you the respect you deserve and not get into a tit for tat on this issue. Happy to let it go. My point has been made. I really do hope one day i track blowin down. Fella can't hide forever like he does.
As for the comments i posted earlier....i did it precisely knowing it would be provocative to a very certain few. And viola! Like magic, they appeared...being real strong blokes!!
And as for the same crew (the three stooges i believe they're also known as?)....firstly, i'm happy these crew despise me on here. I'd be very dissappointed with my life if people like this liked and agreed with me.
Secondly, well, i do live over here in WA, i do travel extensively, i have lived in alot of remote towns over here, and i've met alot of different graziers and land owners.. the 'respected' townsfolk you might say. I think it's important that those sheltered on the East Coast from the reality of Black and White Australia should have some insight into that.
Plenty more to add to the topic but no more picking on Swellnets pet.
Just jumping in here. Contrary to your opinions household financial stress is known to be one of the strongest factors contributing to domestic violence. So is poverty a driver of domestic violence. Most definitely yes. Regardless of where your from or what colour your skin may be
Just to clarify Indo. Do you think, given your previous posts elude that, aboriginal men and PNG men have a culture that is more predisposed to physical and sexual violence toward women.
And that any reference to 200+ year’s of marginalisation is, and I’m quoting you, lazy, cliche and or irrelevant.
Yes or no will suffice.
Then I might have another one for you.
I think Eugenics Dreaming’s views have been made very clear.
Before I deal with @info-numbnuts later on his PNG/AU theorising does anybody else see the parallels in what he is proposing and the way Bush treated the black neighbourhoods and residents of New Orleans during and after Hurricane Katrina? Get dem out of the burbs and solve dat problem?
“ I really do hope one day i track blowin down. Fella can't hide forever like he does”
All well and good to make these comments in the heat of the moment when you’re all fired up, but honestly what would you actually do?
Say you’re having a chat to a bloke in a beach car park somewhere and it came to be that you were chatting to blowin… what next? Punch him? Over stuff said on an Internet forum??
haha. Come on now Goofy. Tea and biscuits and a leisurely mal ride at his favourite beachie. Just a couple of 'blokes' having a good laugh. Alllll gooooood.
You’d hate it if blowin was a real goer :-0
Not gonna add any more fuel to this one Goofy. Thanks for trying though ;-)
Back to the topic...
A good read re. Papua and it's colonial ties with Australia.
Might interest a few.
https://theconversation.com/png-marks-40-years-of-independence-still-fe…
Another good one regarding how colonialism and domestic abuse against women around the world are tied in together...
https://theconversation.com/how-colonialism-is-a-major-cause-of-domesti…
Ha, topic was forgotten about on these pages long ago. At least you’re trying but..
True that!! Good on ya Goofy. Hope you're surviving the cold over there. My granny said it's bloody freezing!!
Hey man, don’t confuse Indo’s opinions and hypothesis with the presentation of facts.
And for the record, I did answer the PNG question.
Can’t wait for what GS has in store
There’s something like 20 women (google it mate) already killed by partners this year in Australia. Most perpetrators are not from PNG or isolated aboriginal communities. Seems us whities have a cultural problem also Indo.
Yes all society's around the world have these issues but what do you think the levels are in Indgenious communities compared to non indigenous?(2023 non indigenous includes anyone else not just whites)
Double? triple? Ten times the rate?
Go google it mate and get back to me.
Are you suggesting that death from domestic violence is somehow double to ten times the rate in indigenous communities than in non indigenous communities in Australia with no supporting evidence.
Seems the Indo dreaming house has a bit of a Racism problem. You’ve already exposed that your wife when with other Indonesians likes to engage in a bit of racial vilification. And you quite freely engage in a bit publicly within this small surfing community.
You really can’t be taken too seriously.
Long-term readers of these forums would know we (Swellnet) have all been here before.
Andrew Bolt's 18c court case (2011), Adam Goodes calling out racism (2013), the Urulu Statemnet of the Heart (2017) and this topic of Aboriginals living on country first visited by PM Tony Abbott (2015) and periodically discussed here since.
The commonalities of all these debates are the right wing media and their commentate and here in SN forums Indo-Dreaming (ID) stridently holding the ideological line not once backing down notwithstanding thousands of words / perhaps 100s of comments mostly written in good faith highlighting that his simplistic approach to complex social issues is not helpful and potentially harmful. Along the way some of these debates have become heated causing several people to be either banned from the forums or to walk away in disgust because of utter frustration at ID's intransigent positioning.
ID's latest theorising links the living standards of Aboriginal mobs living on country and domestic violence to similar issues with PNG communities. Of course these aren't his original ideas at all they belong to 2-3 disaffected Aboriginals with political leanings to the right who represent no-one other then themselves because their mobs have disowned them.
ID's view is if only these mobs would leave their country life would be better. I've discussed this above so I'm not repeating myself again but 200 years of dispossession tells these mobs to stay put.
ID has linked this issue to violence against women and children in PNG but when asked for real evidence has none. NONE.
There is no doubt PNG can be a violent place to live and even visit. Westerners need to be careful where they go and how they act. A culturally strong country where land is still held tightly by traditional owners. As a tourist this was all explained, the notion of retribution remains despite western laws and courts for all who live there. ID's theory is nonsense - you do wrong either cultural or western law will catch up with you.
Thinking about this I last night I remembered many of the wonderfully kindhearted people I've worked with and known in the past (RIP) and how generous and humble they were in the face of a lifetime of bigotry. In particular I remembered their sense of humour and laughter and how positive they were for the future.
I don't intend to waste more time here on IDs nonsense and if the SNs archives are any guide none of us should. The future ..........
https://ulurustatement.org/the-statement/
Epic comment Guysmiley. Put into words what i struggle to. Thanks.
"In Australia, Aboriginal women are 17 times more likely to die from homicide compared to non-Indigenous women
."https://www.sbs.com.au/nitv/nitv-news/article/2020/02/05/why-isnt-natio…
"Mortality
Between 2000 and 2004, there were 150 deaths due to assault among Indigenous Australians in the four jurisdictions.
Indigenous females and males were nearly ten and nine times more likely to die due to assault as non-Indigenous females and males, respectively.
The death rate was highest among people aged 35–44 years."
https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/indigenous-australians/family-violence-…
In regard to domestic violence:
"FactCheck Q&A: are Indigenous women 34-80 times more likely than average to experience violence?"
"Aboriginal women here are 37 times more likely to be hospitalised than non-Aboriginal women for non-fatal family violence-related assaults. In the Northern Territory the rate of hospitalisation is up to 86 times higher for Aboriginal women. In central Australia, this figure is 95 times more likely for Aboriginal women"
"Verdict
The available evidence on domestic and family violence suggest Marcia Langton is broadly correct. There is evidence for the higher end of the claim, including anecdotal evidence and media reports."
https://theconversation.com/factcheck-qanda-are-indigenous-women-34-80-…
Might reply latter to you Guy, but many of the things ive said are not just supported by those three, there has even been books written about the subject of the cultural roots of indigenous violence, many of the things i believe in (not all) are also things Peter Sutton believes in like policy based on need not race, i recall reading him even talking about the high levels of violence pre colonisation. (of which there is much evidence)
17 x
a staggering statistic
well they did ask for it...
Nationally Domestic violence affects 1 in 3 non indigenous women and 1 in 2 indigenous women. That’s nation wide not specific states or communities.
I call bullshit on those statistics.
You really expect me to believe that 33% of all Australian women are getting beat up by their partners ? Ridiculous.
Dammit, have to agree with DSDS.
But domestic violence is much more widespread than is easily quantified.
But these statistics defy rational analysis. I suspect I know why these figures are so high, and it’s not because they are credible.
I’ve asked friends of mine in recent years. - “have you ever hit a woman, ever, in any circumstances, or do you know any man who you reasonably suspect of hitting a woman.” Not one of them has.
Now I recognise that my circumstances and friends are very different to other parts of Australia and even other parts of Sydney or Central Coast. But 1 in 3, and 1 in 2 for indigenous women?
Treat those stats with some scepticism.
maybe you guys just need to update your understandings of 'domestic violence' to contemporary 'perspectives'...
self serving, broad sweeping (with a one way brush), all encompassing, agenda driving, contemporary perspectives...
yeh, bullshit basically
2004 survey,, pretty much first thing to come up under a google search I would not make shit up like that. Remember that domestic violence doesn’t always have to be physical by definition.
The main part of the discussion was what factors drive these outcomes for aboriginal women.
Indo has presented this phenomenon as part of aboriginal culture and it would appear to dismiss other factors associated with colonisation and marginalisation of communities. Stronger cultural ties due to isolated environments seems to be one of his arguments that exacerbates the problem.
The stats are pretty confronting
That was my point to Indo. It’s more prevalent in indigenous communities but it is also bad in ours. Therefore it can’t be because of their culture because it exists in our culture. And this bollocks argument that it because of patriarchal society. Our society has been patriarchal for eons and was up until a few decades ago. Still is in many ways.
I just read the link Indo provided.
The scummy little racist failed to highlight one particular paragraph that was most important to this conversation. It was just before the “Verdict”
I’m quoting from the article Indo linked above.
“Many accept that the impact of colonisation, ongoing trauma from displacement of indigenous people from their traditional lands and Kinship Groups. The removal of children from families and ongoing negative relationships between indigenous people and the criminal justice system have all contributed to heightened levels of violence.
For others the low expectations that mainstream society has for indigenous Australians, the high rates of unemployment and poverty and substance misuse are more likely explanations.”
So as we can see, there are many factors that Indo seems to have dismissed even when they are part of articles that he presents as supporting evidence. No where does it state that these rates of violence are associated with indigenous culture in Australia
“
Meanwhile, ol' Eugenics Dreaming wants to attribute Indigenous issues purely to their culture.
Charming.
Obviously the links were to prove that there is high levels of domestic violence and deaths in indigenous women because Seeds was trying to paint non indigenous Australian domestic violence and death rates as high.(or similar to indigenous women rates)
And then this complete and utter tosser (you)
Said "Are you suggesting that death from domestic violence is somehow double to ten times the rate in indigenous communities than in non indigenous communities in Australia with no supporting evidence."
And went on calling me racist for even suggesting rates of violence or deaths were higher.
Which i then showed you with supporting links that yes, Indigenous women have a 34 to 95 times higher chance of hospitalisation and 9 to 17 times higher homicide rate than non indigenous women.
Any normally person would be eating some humble pie and even be apologising, but no the A grade absolute tosser you are is now trying to cling onto another non relevant aspect of the article. that had nothing to do with the point.
Centring settler colonialism in rural Australian
multicultures: race, place and local identities
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/1369183X.2020.1800447
Annnndddd....
Black African nurses battle racism in rural Australian workplaces, study finds
https://anmj.org.au/black-african-nurses-battle-racism-in-rural-austral…
Seems you don't have to be an Indigenous Australian. You just have to be black. Apologies for yesterdays comments not being accurate.
You tied it all to aboriginal culture, dismissing the factors mentioned in the article you presented to support your statistics. I humoured you and read the article, only to find you omitted a very important paragraph relevant to the conversation we where having.
You where strongly presenting the argument that problems of domestic assault, violence all the way to peadophilia where constructs of indigenous culture. The counter argument was these factors where also symptomatic of colonisation and marginalisation. Which you strongly dismissed, even referring to the premise as cliche and lazy.
Again you are now back peddling, trying to cover your arse. But you are a pretty stupid shit cunt. And we see you.
Racism is a learnt behaviour, you’ve got two kids eh’?
Sorry but nowhere have i suggested or mentioned peadophilia.
Anyway it's pretty clear that you dont like being proven completely wrong, so now clutching at straws.
If you didn't want to look like such an ignorant fool and be proven completely wrong, all you had to do first before commenting is spend 5 seconds googling first like i suggested.
I did, your statistics where on point, but like I said before, the conversation was about culture vs external factors such as colonisation and marginalisation.
The article you provided supported your position on statistics. But also supported my original argument on cause.
But it seems you just want to “win” the argument so you zig and zag now statistics are the argument not that aboriginal men have a culture predisposed to rape and violence. Which was your original premise. Remember PNG and the comparisons of violence and sexual assault being culture.
So call me a fool or whatever else, at least I’m not a blatant racist shit cunt….like you.