stunet wrote:

Slightly OT:

The IPA - conservative think tank not beer - are on a campaign to celebrate Australian values, which I think is a grand thing.

The project was launched by Lachlan Murdoch, whose father renounced Australian citizenship while young Lachie flies the colours of a true globalist, and has recently had Tony Abbott damning our education system for not talking more about our achievements. Abbott, you'll recall, gave a knighthood to Prince Phillip and is an avowed monarchist ("I hope an Australian republic never happens") cos he thinks Australia can't have its own head of state.

It's enough to drive you to drink.

IPA/ LNP agenda in 75 points... They are getting through them... These are taken straight from IPA website, one of authors is James Patterson....

https://www.reddit.com/r/australia/comments/1bz7et/ipas_75_point_list_f…

Roadkill wrote:

andy-mac wrote:

Optimist wrote:

Perhaps Morro is a bit of a top gun. He calls China out on the virus….China cracks a shit…check… When he sees China sneaking around our coasts he does a sub deal with the US and Britain so that they have free reign patrolling our waters for us till we get a couple ourselves..China cracks a shit again……checkmate again….and now when China bribes the Solomon leaders for a military base on our doorstep, Morro orders hypersonic missiles…China cracks a shit again…checkmate again as their ships would be hardly out of port when a missile reached them….it’s funny to watch really …all the positioning by China and then Morrison’s counters…..I don’t think the other parties are ballsy enough to keep China in check personally….but I may be wrong….I hope none of our defences are somehow connected to the net as China now has a quantum and that would be a real issue eventually.

Yeah rightio, China must be shitting themselves..... Those subs we are due to get in 2050 or thereabouts are a game changer!!

What would you do if you were in charge, andy?

I will start with what I wouldn't do. That is making mega phone announcements to dog whistle to local section of Australian society against China rather than using proper diplomatic channels. This started with Scomo big noting himself with Covid investigation. Sure apply diplomatic pressure, but through proper channels in step with major powers.
As far a defence goes, well that is hard. Firstly I don't believe China have really any intention of wishing to invade Australia, now or into future, why would they?( I could be wrong) Taiwan is complex and I definitely do not know ins and outs but from what I gather, it is more of a face saving thing. Main land China and Taiwan have lots of interconnected business interests and they are the same people, so I think war is unlikely. If it was the case I don't believe the USA would intervene much due to nuclear risk, and what would Australia help without USA support? USA cannot claim moral high ground here after Afghanistan and Iraq, plus other poxy wars they have been supporting.
Geez could write major essay here.
Ok if China were planning to invade Australia.
I don't think ADF will have much hope with some subs sometime in the future. I would be spending money and preparing for Guerilla style war, hardware for fighting in Australia and training.It seems most is being spent on things to help in overseas operations. China would outnumber out troops and their military hardware would far exceed ours so I don't think we would have much hope repelling initial invasion. But as the USA has experienced in Iraq and Afghanistan, and not Russia probably going through same scenario, it is one thing to invade a country, another to occupy.
This would be worst case scenario, and I believe very unlikely.
The LNP have been using China dog whistling away trying to stir up fear for reelection purposes. This is both short term thinking and does damage Australia's diplomatic stance and trade.
BTW who leased the Port of Darwin to the Chinese???

Anyway could be totally off mark, but that is my 2 cents worth for your question.

andy-mac wrote:

stunet wrote:

Slightly OT:

The IPA - conservative think tank not beer - are on a campaign to celebrate Australian values, which I think is a grand thing.

The project was launched by Lachlan Murdoch, whose father renounced Australian citizenship while young Lachie flies the colours of a true globalist, and has recently had Tony Abbott damning our education system for not talking more about our achievements. Abbott, you'll recall, gave a knighthood to Prince Phillip and is an avowed monarchist ("I hope an Australian republic never happens") cos he thinks Australia can't have its own head of state.

It's enough to drive you to drink.

IPA/ LNP agenda in 75 points... They are getting through them... These are taken straight from IPA website, one of authors is James Patterson....

https://www.reddit.com/r/australia/comments/1bz7et/ipas_75_point_list_f…

The gross irony of the IPA calling for the celebration of Australian values when everything they stand for is the Americanisation (user-pays) of Australian politics, public policy and daily life .... Murdoch a cancer on democracy everywhere his media/influence exists.

flollo wrote:

Jeez, not sure if I want to get involved in this socialism discussion. It's ridiculous to call Norway a socialist state. There are some elements of that for sure but overall, the system is a mixed economy, driven by free markets and private asset ownership, combined with state ownership in strategic industries like oil. These public companies openly participate in free markets domestically and internationally. Entrepreneurship is really strong and homeownership really high (~80%).

Having more welfare doesn't make one directly a socialist state. If Norway is what people think socialism is then bring it on. I have no problems with that. A good example of this is what was discussed today with Greens proposing to include dental under Medicare and funding it through additional taxation on billionaires. To me, this is not socialism. At fundamental level socialism is nationalising those billionaires' assets and forbidding them to exist under private ownership. That's not what anyone is proposing here. Paying more tax on certain things doesn't make the economy a socialist economy. If everyone is free to own assets (houses, shares, patents etc...) and then trade those assets in a free market you are not in a socialist economy. Taxing those transactions higher than average and distributing them through a strong welfare system might create a welfare state (quality depends on implementation) but certainly not a socialist state.

Exactly, its like calling a meat pie, sauce because you add a little sauce on top.

A Capitalist based economy with free markets with some socialist aspects like generous wealthfare system and some state opened business doesn't equal socialism.

stunet wrote:

flollo wrote:

Jeez, not sure if I want to get involved in this socialism discussion. It's ridiculous to call Norway a socialist state. There are some elements of that for sure but overall, the system is a mixed economy, driven by free markets and private asset ownership, combined with state ownership in strategic industries like oil. These public companies openly participate in free markets domestically and internationally. Entrepreneurship is really strong and homeownership really high (~80%).

Having more welfare doesn't make one directly a socialist state. If Norway is what people think socialism is then bring it on. I have no problems with that. A good example of this is what was discussed today with Greens proposing to include dental under Medicare and funding it through additional taxation on billionaires. To me, this is not socialism. At fundamental level socialism is nationalising those billionaires' assets and forbidding them to exist under private ownership. That's not what anyone is proposing here. Paying more tax on certain things doesn't make the economy a socialist economy. If everyone is free to own assets (houses, shares, patents etc...) and then trade those assets in a free market you are not in a socialist economy. Taxing those transactions higher than average and distributing them through a strong welfare system might create a welfare state (quality depends on implementation) but certainly not a socialist state.

When moderate policies such as equitable tax redistribution or increasing public education spending get howled down as "socialist" then I think it's fair to call Norway the same.

Just using the modern definition, sire.

Haha, fair enough. True, opponents of public investment (I refuse to call it expenditure) into public education and health (+ others) love to label these policies as 'socialist', trying to give it some sort of negative connotation (I reckon it's working on many, especially in the US). However, it seems to be sticking across the board so let's just call it like that if it suits everyone.

T.Edds wrote:

It it pretty concerning seeing all the sky news headlines peddled out in this thread. If you people actually believe the LNP are sound economic managers we are well and truly fucked. Get rid of this moron.

Sorry buddy but the we just went through over 27+ years of prosperity, the majority under LNP government, and just went through a once in 100 year pandemic predicted by most to see us in a deep dark recession but have come out pretty good.

Facts don't care about your feelings.

Constance B Gibson wrote:

Anyhoo...

Check your head:

https://theyvoteforyou.org.au/

This is really good. I do a bit of research like this through the parliament website but this summary is way better. Thank you for sharing.

Great site.

“ Bragg and Sharma claim the website misrepresents them on issues they are personally passionate about, simply because they didn’t vote to support those personal passion issues, holding them to the impossible standard of being accountable for the difference between the things they have said and the things they have done.”

The heart bleeds for them.
Needless to say, toeing the party line is a toxic and undemocratic business.

‘We support them’: Albo makes another big campaign mistake
Anthony Albanese has made another big mistake on the campaign trail, exposing himself to criticism over the economy and national security.

https://www.news.com.au/national/federal-election/albanese-recalls-hard…

Albo is like a fish flip flopping all other the place, it is good that has learned that boat turn back's work though and isn't going to go do a Krudd on us.

#LiberalLite

“ Scott Morrison effectively ditches promise to establish anti-corruption commission if re-elected”
Scotty makes another big campaign mistake.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-14/scott-morrison-ditch-election-pr…

indo-dreaming wrote:

‘We support them’: Albo makes another big campaign mistake

Anthony Albanese has made another big mistake on the campaign trail, exposing himself to criticism over the economy and national security.

https://www.news.com.au/national/federal-election/albanese-recalls-hard…

Albo is like a fish flip flopping all other the place, it is good that has learned that boat turn back's work though and isn't going to go do a Krudd on us.

#LiberalLite

Far out Scomo is a brutal political strategist (not to be confused with someone who cares for the community and wants to do the best for the people being represented). I must give him that. He will be well off as a political consultant post-politics, making way more money than he makes now.

With this one sentence, he creates a huge cloud above Albo, he appears unbelievably prepared to spin anything to his advantage (again, not to be confused with anything beneficial to the general public):

“He has supported everything he has opposed, and he has opposed everything that he has supported,” Mr Morrison said.

AndyM wrote:

“ Scott Morrison effectively ditches promise to establish anti-corruption commission if re-elected”

Scotty makes another big campaign mistake.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-14/scott-morrison-ditch-election-pr…

But even here his spins are unbelivable:

"We have put forward our proposal. Everyone knows what our proposal is. It is detailed legislation.

"Labor has a two-page fluff document. It is not a real policy."

I’m travelling with Scott Morrison and we haven’t met a real voter yet
Michael Read
Michael ReadReporter
Apr 14, 2022 – 2.17pm

If you think being on the campaign trail with Prime Minister Scott Morrison means meeting real voters, think again.
Mr Morrison has sewn safety harnesses, thrown basketballs and inspected native timber. But he has so far mostly avoided the activity you would think took precedence in a re-election campaign: meeting voters. We’re up to the fourth full day of campaigning with Mr Morrison, and he has made about a dozen public appearances.
Most have been visits to manufacturing businesses.
The common thread at these venues is that access to the public has been limited, or non-existent. Mr Morrison has so far met very few voters.
The highly stage-managed appearances, which have almost exclusively been in marginal seats, sometimes include funding announcements.
In Corangamite, Victoria, there was $500,000 to upgrade a stadium that was opened only last year. The voters of Gilmore in NSW got $40 million for better roads. The government’s most marginal seat, Bass in northern Tasmania, has been offered a slice of a $219 million package to secure forestry jobs.

Mr Morrison’s reception at the events has been positive, with workers lining up for selfies and expressing their support for the Prime Minister.
One worker at a safety equipment manufacturer, Maria Grima, told The Australian Financial Review people should lay off Mr Morrison.
The highly stage-managed appearances, which have almost exclusively been in marginal seats, sometimes include funding announcements.
In Corangamite, Victoria, there was $500,000 to upgrade a stadium that was opened only last year. The voters of Gilmore in NSW got $40 million for better roads. The government’s most marginal seat, Bass in northern Tasmania, has been offered a slice of a $219 million package to secure forestry jobs.

Mr Morrison’s reception at the events has been positive, with workers lining up for selfies and expressing their support for the Prime Minister.
One worker at a safety equipment manufacturer, Maria Grima, told The Australian Financial Review people should lay off Mr Morrison.
“People give him such a hard time,” she said. For the Prime Minister, limiting his campaign to contained site visits and friendly workers makes sense.
Interactions with members of the public are risky. Real people have strong opinions, and they often aren’t afraid to share them, especially when cameras are rolling.
The Prime Minister saw this firsthand last week when he was berated at the Edgeworth Tavern in Lake Macquarie by a disability pensioner, Ray Drury.
At a private event on Tuesday night, when Mr Morrison hosted drinks for the media, a young Labor activist entered the venue and took the Prime Minister to task for his response to the floods in north-western Sydney. The video went viral on TikTok and made headlines the following day.
For the media, the experience is like being on a chaotic school excursion.
Each appearance follows a similar rhythm. The press pack arrives about 10 minutes before Mr Morrison. The Prime Minister travels separately, joined by his principal private secretary, Yaron Finkelstein, and his confidante, Minister Assisting the Prime Minister Ben Morton. There is a tour of the location, where photos are taken and camera footage collected, Mr Morrison asks questions and has a go at whichever equipment available.
Once a day, there is also a press conference where the Prime Minister delivers his message, introduces the local candidate or MP, and then fields questions.
The media, represented by one person per outlet, generally do not know where they are travelling, or for what purpose, until shortly before arrival.
We move to a new hotel every day. Flight times and destinations are also a mystery, but that won’t stop us from guessing where to next. https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/i-m-travelling-with-scott-morrison…

Fark, boats being used again... Least ya know the Tories are consistent.

“Last night the ABC ran probably the most shameless, savage and bias smear of the prime minister and his government that I have ever seen,” Bolt said.

“It ran for eight minutes claiming to be a review of the government’s last three years. And if you believe the presenter, Laura Tingle, the government in those three years has been a complete and utter failure led by a bungling fraud.”

Political commentator Gerard Henderson told Bolt that Tingle should stand aside during the campaign or be forced out. https://www.news.com.au/national/federal-election/sky-news-host-andrew-…

Supafreak wrote:

“Last night the ABC ran probably the most shameless, savage and bias smear of the prime minister and his government that I have ever seen,” Bolt said.

“It ran for eight minutes claiming to be a review of the government’s last three years. And if you believe the presenter, Laura Tingle, the government in those three years has been a complete and utter failure led by a bungling fraud.”

Political commentator Gerard Henderson told Bolt that Tingle should stand aside during the campaign or be forced out. https://www.news.com.au/national/federal-election/sky-news-host-andrew-…

Haha Andrew Bolt and Gerard Henderson.... Now there are 2 villages missing their idiots.....

Sky news courier mail , can just imagine the audience they pick if a worm is used .

The first leaders debate of the 2022 federal election has been confirmed.https://t.co/Kd7slZPkLc

— News24 Australia (@News24Aust) April 14, 2022

I really wish this lady wins. Parachuting Kristina Keneally and removing a local candidate was a terrible move that’s causing rebellion in the electorate.

https://www.2gb.com/its-an-insult-deputy-mayor-hits-back-at-parachuted-…

“ And if you believe the presenter, Laura Tingle, the government in those three years has been a complete and utter failure led by a bungling fraud.”

Well if the shoe fits…

AndyM wrote:

“ And if you believe the presenter, Laura Tingle, the government in those three years has been a complete and utter failure led by a bungling fraud.”

Well if the shoe fits…

That's being nice... (◠‿◕)

So Andrew Bolt is claiming someone is being bias!

Then doesn't refute a single point... eh.

I can't believe Scomo didn't go to Bells on his way through to try and get someone to notice him.

#ScottyFromMarketing printed 300 BILLION dollars, & chucked it into the economy. There's 13 million workers. 300B divided by 13M= $23000 to every worker! He brags about "economic credentials" and low unemployment? We can all buy a printer, Scott

Constance B Gibson wrote:

"Haha Andrew Bolt and Gerard Henderson.... Now there are 2 villages missing their idiots....."

And then there's id...

Hey, at least those other gronks - even the likes of Southern, Panahi, Yemini, Rushkan, Price etc etc - get paid...what's that fan boi numpty on here's excuse again??

Gee's what a surprise, old white man doesn't like people of colour that don't think like him,

Maybe you could drop Southern the odd one out and add some more people of colour to your hate list, like Anthony Dillion, Warren Mundine, Candice Owens, Andy Ngo, Lauren Chen, Tim Pool etc or maybe another Jew? what about Ben Sharpiro.

indo-dreaming wrote:

Constance B Gibson wrote:

"Haha Andrew Bolt and Gerard Henderson.... Now there are 2 villages missing their idiots....."

And then there's id...

Hey, at least those other gronks - even the likes of Southern, Panahi, Yemini, Rushkan, Price etc etc - get paid...what's that fan boi numpty on here's excuse again??

Gee's what a surprise, old white man doesn't like people of colour that don't think like him,

Maybe you could drop Southern the odd one out and add some more people of colour to your hate list, like Anthony Dillion, Warren Mundine, Candice Owens, Andy Ngo, Lauren Chen, Tim Pool etc or maybe another Jew? what about Ben Sharpiro.

Huh? where did you get that from or are you trying to goad Constance @info or have you got your jocks all twisted coz someone has questioned the credentials of your professors from the YouTube university? Didn't Viclocal (The Kracken) warn you about those social media algorithms 12-18 mths ago?

Anyways ..... speaking of village idiots and youtoob, you've seen it before but its my favourite depiction of you on film @info

Slomo thanking uncle rupert for making his news station available for debate , I wonder if sbs will get a shot . https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/special-broadcasting-service-sbs/ https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/sky-news-australia/.

What don't you understand Guy??? My post was extremely clear.

Only one person on Facto's hate list is white (Southern, Canadian), the rest are people of colour that hold conservative views.

Panahi= Iranian background X refugee

Yemini= Yemeni mixed race background and proud Jew

Rushkan= Sri Lankan background

Price= Indigenous Australian from Central Aus

Facto is your typical old white leftie guy, that hate's people of colour that hold different views to his as he expect's people of colour should think and act a certain way.

BTW. Ever noticed pretty much every link he shares and people he looks up too like Jello are also old white guys.

I've seen this goading pattern before, it gets people sin-binned all the while you remain on here calling for proper discussion while serving up codswallop. Like the time you goaded uplift, even threatened him before removing it before the SN team got out of bed, Uplift got banned but you remained - all Miss Prissy like. You know exactly what you're doing here @info or am I giving your pea-brain too much credit? Whistle whistle, here boy .....

@Supafreak

Pretty funny you dissing Sky news and Murdoch, while a year or two ago you were sharing links from them anytime they said anything positive about Ivermectin.

GuySmiley wrote:

I've seen this goading pattern before, it gets people sin-binned all the while you remain on here calling for proper discussion while serving up codswallop. Like the time you goaded uplift, even threatened him before removing it before the SN team got out of bed, Uplift got banned but you remained - all Miss Prissy like. You know exactly what you're doing here @info or am I giving your pea-brain too much credit? Whistle whistle, here boy .....

What on earth are you on about??,

Facto's post personally attacking me was totally unprovoked, i generally ignore him because he just babbles complete nonsensical tripe.

But i couldn't help but make an obvious observation off his hate list.

BTW. Anyone with half a brain knowns Uplift didn't get banned over one single incident, he got banned because of years on years of personal abuse towards people under a range of different handles with maybe one post every three months that wasn't aggressive, he had a history of warnings, mods here have explained this, but it goes way over your head.

Basically your a fascist in the sense of the modern word, and cant stand people having views that don't align with yours and believe they should be cancelled if their views differ from yours, you really need to stop worrying about me and following me around like a lost puppy, and just comment on the topic of whatever the thread is instead.

Which i noticed for the first time in forever you did the other day, almost felt like giving you a reward sticker or something, i mean really how hard was it?

indo-dreaming wrote:

@Supafreak

Pretty funny you dissing Sky news and Murdoch, while a year or two ago you were sharing links from them anytime they said anything positive about Ivermectin.

Back to ivermectin again indo , sky news interviewed Professor Borody where as no other channels did . I even put up bolt one time and mentioned that yes it is bolt who I have no time for but on this occasion he pointed out a glaring mistake in that WHO were investigating ivermectin . Your getting a bit desperate indo .

At least you admit it Supafreak, i just thought it was kind of funny.

When’s slomo going to admit he’s broken an election promise with ICAC , now that’s flip flopping and then blames Labor. Would you like to see an ICAC indo ? Or just believe we don’t really need one ?

Obvious observation? Nah, it was within the battle for ideas not race, it was you making that dubious connection.

@Indo
Old white man?
People of colour?

Didn’t realise you’d gone all left-wing woke.
Good for you!
So nice to see you move past wanting to bash protesters, and being an advocate for dictatorships.
Well played Sir!

Soz.
YOLO.

AndyM wrote:

@Indo

Old white man?

People of colour?

Didn’t realise you’d gone all left-wing woke.

Good for you!

So nice to see you move past wanting to bash protesters, and being an advocate for dictatorships.

Well played Sir!

Come on you have to admit its pretty funny and ironic when a knob like Facto make's up a hate list and overlook's the fact 4 out of the 5 people in the list were people of colour even the white one was a women.

Then suggest im racist, of-course thats why i married an Asian women and spend a lot of my time helping Indonesian friends improve their life's, next he will be suggesting im a white supremest and had mixed race kids so people weren't suspicious that secretly i want to keep the white race pure.

BTW. Honest question out of interest is there any notable people of colour left wing type You tubers etc,
all the videos i see you guys post are from white guys like Jordy, that West guy, Tom Tankui etc even women seem to be missing from the picture, while the whole conservative space is so diverse in ethnicity and sex (even religion lots of Jews), which obviously isn't planned but just a result of so many different people around the world including a large number of women wanting to share their views on how fucked up the lefts views of the world are.

I can only assume you think Singapore is a dictatorship?

What kind of government do you think Singapore has Indo?

"Honest question out of interest is there any notable people of colour left wing type You tubers etc"

Ummm..... GOOGLE IT, INDO

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="

title="YouTube video player" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

See... How hard was that.

indo-dreaming wrote:

Yeah Na.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/apr/15/never-mind-the-b…

Indo posts a herald sun meme. Here's an actual respected journos take on it, and not some low brow fake news fan art.

"Never mind the bollocks: Albanese’s non-gaffe on immigration was just media hysteria. Perhaps the Labor leader’s point was confusing to some observers because it was LOGIC, as opposed to a premasticated talking point"
Katharine Murphy.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/apr/15/never-mind-the-b…

Sheepdog wrote:

See... How hard was that.

That wasn't really the question.

I said "notable", off course there is people of colour with leftist youtube channels especially black, there is shit loads of pretty much anything on YouTube.

But i was thinking more actual big dominant youtube type celebrities type channels, that people either know of or actually follow?

Is it a thing?..

For instance conservative wise you have fairly well known ones like

Candice Owens 685K (5.4 million followers on Facebook)

Tim Pool has 1.3 million

Lauren Chen 511k

Or in Australia Avi Yemini has 711K

The Officer Tatum 1.85 million subscribers

Then there is a few real big black conservative YouTube channels at least two 400-600k subscribers.

But from what i can gather its not really a thing in the left wing word?, but it's not a world i take part in hence why asking you lefties

andy-mac wrote:

indo-dreaming wrote:

Yeah Na.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/apr/15/never-mind-the-b…

Offcourse the Guardian are going to put their spin on it, but its pretty clear Labor and Albo dont know their left from right and are giving very mixed confusing messages on the issue..

Plus I think some of the point is offshore centres need to be used in combination with boat turn backs, for the percentage of time where a boat cant be safely turned back.

Basically you dont mess with a system that works, you cant say im going to keep operation sovereign borders, but also close all detention centres.

Well thats my take on things.

Gotta give Indo credit, he’s a persistent bastard.
He’s copped an absolute fucking pasting on this thread from all and sundry and still shows up again day after day.
Response after response.

They breed ‘em tuff on blokes island.

PS. *of course