Interesting stuff
Hatred is people marching and yelling “gas the Jews” at the opera house several nights ago.
Jeeez hows the rabid mob with pitchforks in that vid JF
Mob mentality, them against us. Some real Rhodes scholars and possible Nobel peace prize recipients there.
It seems to be the way of the world these days, or maybe it always has been and it's just more observable with social media now.
Yep sr…
And bonza, that’s farked.
- maybe we’re not so lucky after all… or maybe they weren’t actually aussie ;)
But still, maybe we dodged a bullet.
Not sure what you are insinuating jelly if anything. The colony has always attempted to be fair and reasonable in distributing our fear and intolerance.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/20thcentury-terror…
Maybe you think that I or other Australians should remain mute, Not pass judgement on others who support god bothering murdering rapist terrorist scum because in the past our ancestors were racist or implemented what we now know as racist policies?
Also did you notice that previous video you posted had the jews interviewed conveniently standing clearly behind a Pfizer signage.
Coincidence? Maybe Alana can spell it out for us.
That was a great story Bonza, aussie history has a bit of everything…
- and yes I did notice the pfizer coincidence.
Maybe alana can serve a sermon from the mount ;)
Bonza both sides are despicable. JF posted plenty of Jewish bad behavior vids. The West created this modern mess. What about the Akbah? People just gunna lay down. The West create’s it’s enemies.
This reporter asks the hard questions of both sides as to the atrocities being committed against civilians.
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Either way, it's going to be a shit fight.
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It’s going to be a shit fight alright with this type of mindset.
VIDEO excerpt: An elder statesman of Hamas goes on TV and describes PERFECTLY the battle facing Israel. These forces YEARN for death (he smiles). They train their children up as martyrs. I've dubbed it into English so you can better get a sense of the depravity. pic.twitter.com/XdWM8EGKHq
— Justin Hart (@justin_hart) October 13, 2023
bonza wrote:
Hatred is people marching and yelling “gas the Jews” at the opera house several nights ago.
That was full on and it got press and attention internationally, its such a hard one on how to deal with these sorts of things and difference's of opinion, on one hand people should be able to have a view and go public at a rally, but then on the flipside people like Jews or Muslims should also be able to feel safe to leave their home.
Wanna be Nazis suck but id be far more worried about people on the street chanting "gas the jews" than some losers doing silly Nazi salutes.
Jelly Flater wrote:
That was a great story Bonza, aussie history has a bit of everything…
- and yes I did notice the pfizer coincidence.
I didn’t watch it but it sounds like Pfizer are taking a stand on what’s right and wrong aye? That’s a bit cheeky coming from those pricks!
It’s hard to get through all of the vids everybody are posting. They’re all great ( not the subject matter), Swellnet’s great ( for all it’s subject matter)
How’s everyone’s screen time going?
Blowins first post in this thread cracks me up. Blowin knows.
Maybe alana can serve a sermon from the mount ;)
Screen time - too much in evenings trying to catch up (mix of trolly immature humour vids too)
Did find this:
https://mwi.westpoint.edu/the-eight-rules-of-urban-warfare-and-why-we-m…
It is hard to keep up with everyone's good links - if you don't have time for this link, just scroll and takeaway the 8 points. Sounds impossible. I can't believe they look like they will go in, wouldn't wish this on anyone. In morning news the Israelis gave the hospital 2 hours to leave, and before this Hamas has advised civilians to stay in place.
Alana_a wrote:
That was a great story Bonza, aussie history has a bit of everything…- and yes I did notice the pfizer coincidence.
I didn’t watch it but it sounds like Pfizer are taking a stand on what’s right and wrong aye? That’s a bit cheeky coming from those pricks!
It’s hard to get through all of the vids everybody are posting. They’re all great ( not the subject matter), Swellnet’s great ( for all it’s subject matter)
How’s everyone’s screen time going?
Blowins first post in this thread cracks me up. Blowin knows.
Maybe alana can serve a sermon from the mount ;)
Unless I was way off the mark Alana and if so I apologise but your original comment was another attempt to fuel the anti Semitic hatred conspiracy involvement of Jews behind 911.
Then jelly posted a link with angry Jews demonstrating with clear signs of Pfizer in the background which if you are familar with conspiracies is another one that attempts to link Jews behind the Covid-19 pandemic and vaccines.
Anyway apologies if I’m off track. Let’s be extra kind today. Community needs it.
bonza wrote:
That was a great story Bonza, aussie history has a bit of everything…- and yes I did notice the pfizer coincidence.
I didn’t watch it but it sounds like Pfizer are taking a stand on what’s right and wrong aye? That’s a bit cheeky coming from those pricks!
It’s hard to get through all of the vids everybody are posting. They’re all great ( not the subject matter), Swellnet’s great ( for all it’s subject matter)
How’s everyone’s screen time going?
Blowins first post in this thread cracks me up. Blowin knows.
Maybe alana can serve a sermon from the mount ;)
Unless I was way off the mark Alana and if so I apologise but your original comment was another attempt to fuel the anti Semitic hatred conspiracy involvement of Jews behind 911.
Then jelly posted a link with angry Jews demonstrating with clear signs of Pfizer in the background which if you are familar with conspiracies is another one that attempts to link Jews behind the Covid-19 pandemic and vaccines.
Anyway apologies if I’m off track. Let’s be extra kind today. Community needs it.
Yeah sorry, no there wasn’t any intention to link the Jews with 9/11 or Pfizer
There are some theories out there that the 9/11 was a inside job and there are some theories out there that the original rocket job a few days ago was not a surprise attack at all. Both have consequences and both would eventually favour the ‘attacked’
Like I said , just theories, not mine but they’re out there.
It’s hard to know what to trust these days. Judging off udo ‘s vid above, we can’t even trust humanity. Farrrk me. And the sun comes up.
Time for an onshore surf.
velocityjohnno wrote:
Screen time - too much in evenings trying to catch up (mix of trolly immature humour vids too)
Did find this:
https://mwi.westpoint.edu/the-eight-rules-of-urban-warfare-and-why-we-m…
It is hard to keep up with everyone's good links - if you don't have time for this link, just scroll and takeaway the 8 points. Sounds impossible. I can't believe they look like they will go in, wouldn't wish this on anyone. In morning news the Israelis gave the hospital 2 hours to leave, and before this Hamas has advised civilians to stay in place.
Thats what i thought when i heard about the ground troops going in, it kind of seems like Israel would be at a huge disadvantage this article just confirms that.
seeds wrote:
Oops obviously..Nakba.
Wasn’t Hamas formed in’88 in response to Nakba. Which was an ethnic cleansing exercise by the Israeli’s.
Not taking sides just discovering a few of the back stories. This one’s best observed from the sidelines..
That’s a good watch andy-mac
as ye sow, so shall ye reap
Wonder if the recently resurrected (forums) biblical boofhead will watch it.
Edit. Hey Soggy have a watch of andy-macs clip. Explanation in there plus a whole lot more
bonza wrote:
That was a great story Bonza, aussie history has a bit of everything…- and yes I did notice the pfizer coincidence.
I didn’t watch it but it sounds like Pfizer are taking a stand on what’s right and wrong aye? That’s a bit cheeky coming from those pricks!
It’s hard to get through all of the vids everybody are posting. They’re all great ( not the subject matter), Swellnet’s great ( for all it’s subject matter)
How’s everyone’s screen time going?
Blowins first post in this thread cracks me up. Blowin knows.
Maybe alana can serve a sermon from the mount ;)
Unless I was way off the mark Alana and if so I apologise but your original comment was another attempt to fuel the anti Semitic hatred conspiracy involvement of Jews behind 911.
Then jelly posted a link with angry Jews demonstrating with clear signs of Pfizer in the background which if you are familar with conspiracies is another one that attempts to link Jews behind the Covid-19 pandemic and vaccines.
Anyway apologies if I’m off track. Let’s be extra kind today. Community needs it.
I’m pretty sure the fact they where in front of the Pfizer building is a coincidence.
seeds wrote:
That’s a good watch andy-mac
as ye sow, so shall ye reap
Wonder if the recently resurrected (forums) biblical boofhead will watch it.
Edit. Hey Soggy have a watch of andy-macs clip. Explanation in there plus a whole lot more
Found the video to be very moving.
Dr Gabor a very deep thinker and sensitive compassionate human.
Such a sad tragic situation from any angle you view it.
Just watched the video andy-Mac posted.
Worth a watch for everyone.
I’d like to know if Bonza, ID and Opti watched the Gabor Mate clip above and weather it has had any influence over how they consider the conflict.
Wonder if Opti mite temper his ultra religious pomposity for an understanding humanitarian take on the current events.
Indo reconsider some of the comments he made on who became the “Nazi’s”
And Bonza…. sorry mate can’t remember what angry shit you wrote.
Feel free to respond gents.
Yes soggydog JF has the gear you need. Shame Indo never watches them. Dogma, dogmatic etc.
Dr Gabor Mates vid on addiction is also very good. Trauma one good also. Maybe some relevance to our FNP experience generationally.
I watched it, basically a Jew with too much heart for his own good.
But what does it change? He doesn't offer up solution's?
What do you expect Israel and Jews to do?
The reality is the Jews are the the true indigenous people who then lost control of their land, and are only reclaiming what was theirs.
The obvious common sense solution is a two state solution and two state solutions have been thrown up in the past more than once but always rejected by Palestines because they don't want to share they want it all, so as a result they end up with far less now than they otherwise would.
Then they are both left having to live with each other (in Israel) and as neighbors.
The problem is the radical Palestine arabs like Hamas will never be happy until every Jew is either gone or dead (from the land to the sea) and every bit of land be it Israel, West Bank, Gaza is theirs so Israelis have to live with the risk of rockets every day, even if they do their best with the dome to prevent them. (and in normal times not attack unless needed)
Then occasionally you get major attacks where Israel have no choice to fight back, and this time it seems like Israels patience has been broken and want to end it for good with Gaza.
You cant blame Israel they have agreed to two state solution's, i wouldn't be surprised if they regain control of Gaza after pretty much flattening it as if they dont it will all just happen again and again and again.
And then of course no matter what happens with Gaza they will always have to live with the risk of attacks from other borders.
BTW. regard to seeds comment in regard to FNP trauma and intergenerational trauma relating to this, the Jews have experienced more persecution and trauma then pretty much any group in the world, but it hasn't magically made them have the issues FNP have, actually quite the opposite Jewish people are one of the most successful groups of people in the world.
@ Seeds
Please tell me what you think the Jews/Israeli's should do?
just to bump that, seeds!
thank you @indo for your wise, considered summary.
Basically, a COLOSSAL nuclear bomb went off in the world,
bringing the amazing migration period (400s) to an end,
consolidating trade, real estate, wealth, power, control,
through the great monotheisms being created, negotiated and chosen
from 600 - 1100; slow-burn for the biggest ideological bomb in human history.
Trying to make sense of a bomb's carnage and its effects at the epicentre?
And what it means to the people that live there? Nah. It will never happen.
It is a forever topic, hope people can find deeper meaning in it all.
indo-dreaming wrote:
I watched it, basically a Jew with too much heart for his own good.
But what does it change? He doesn't offer up solution's?
What do you expect Israel and Jews to do?
The reality is the Jews are the the true indigenous people who then lost control of their land, and are only reclaiming what was theirs.
The obvious common sense solution is a two state solution and two state solutions have been thrown up in the past more than once but always rejected by Palestines because they don't want to share they want it all, so as a result they end up with far less now than they otherwise would.
Then they are both left having to live with each other (in Israel) and as neighbors.
The problem is the radical Palestine arabs like Hamas will never be happy until every Jew is either gone or dead (from the land to the sea) and every bit of land be it Israel, West Bank, Gaza is theirs so Israelis have to live with the risk of rockets every day, even if they do their best with the dome to prevent them. (and in normal times not attack unless needed)
Then occasionally you get major attacks where Israel have no choice to fight back, and this time it seems like Israels patience has been broken and want to end it for good with Gaza.
You cant blame Israel they have agreed to two state solution's, i wouldn't be surprised if they regain control of Gaza after pretty much flattening it as if they dont it will all just happen again and again and again.
And then of course no matter what happens with Gaza they will always have to live with the risk of attacks from other borders.
BTW. regard to seeds comment in regard to FNP trauma and intergenerational trauma relating to this, the Jews have experienced more persecution and trauma then pretty much any group in the world, but it hasn't magically made them have the issues FNP have, actually quite the opposite Jewish people are one of the most successful groups of people in the world.
So the Nakba was justified, did you miss the part of Gabors video where he stated they’re all descendants of the original inhabitants. Some remained Jewish and others converted to Islam. Yet all indigenous to the land.
I’m not sure you really watched Indo. If you did it was with underlying prejudice.
And who ended up becoming the Nazi’s.
@ seeds
Honestly please try to answer?
I dont know about others but i cant see a solution other than the two state solution but you cant force one party into it if they dont want it.
And you also realistically cant expect Israel to just absorb attacks forever especially large ones with large numbers of civilians kidnapped there has to become a time when you say enough is enough.
Of course the real victims in it all of are the innocent people on both sides, many of which most likely dont agree with those in power or those carrying out attacks and just happen to be born in the wrong place, 100% my heart goes out to those people especially those Palestines in Gaza, the very best case scenario for many will be if they can flee alive and be refugees worst case dead.
I just gave you the answer. It really is that simple when you break it down.
@soggydog
Yeah in a sense the Palestines many of them (many have ancestry going back elsewhere too) are also indigenous, but there was never a Palestine identity or Islam originally
And yeah you can look back and blame either side for this or that, all that is pretty much irrelevant, what's relevant is now and to the future is what each party is willing to do to find a solution.
Its clear one part wants a solution and ideally get on, the other has no interest in a solution that suits both sides and just wants to get rid of the other.
If you cant see that well i dont know what to say, and that influence isn't likely to be one from the people as a culture but more one from the religious cultural aspect from radical islam and inflamed by others like Iran.
indo-dreaming wrote:
I watched it, basically a Jew with too much heart for his own good.
But what does it change? He doesn't offer up solution's?
What do you expect Israel and Jews to do?
The reality is the Jews are the the true indigenous people who then lost control of their land, and are only reclaiming what was theirs.
The obvious common sense solution is a two state solution and two state solutions have been thrown up in the past more than once but always rejected by Palestines because they don't want to share they want it all, so as a result they end up with far less now than they otherwise would.
Then they are both left having to live with each other (in Israel) and as neighbors.
The problem is the radical Palestine arabs like Hamas will never be happy until every Jew is either gone or dead (from the land to the sea) and every bit of land be it Israel, West Bank, Gaza is theirs so Israelis have to live with the risk of rockets every day, even if they do their best with the dome to prevent them. (and in normal times not attack unless needed)
Then occasionally you get major attacks where Israel have no choice to fight back, and this time it seems like Israels patience has been broken and want to end it for good with Gaza.
You cant blame Israel they have agreed to two state solution's, i wouldn't be surprised if they regain control of Gaza after pretty much flattening it as if they dont it will all just happen again and again and again.
And then of course no matter what happens with Gaza they will always have to live with the risk of attacks from other borders.
BTW. regard to seeds comment in regard to FNP trauma and intergenerational trauma relating to this, the Jews have experienced more persecution and trauma then pretty much any group in the world, but it hasn't magically made them have the issues FNP have, actually quite the opposite Jewish people are one of the most successful groups of people in the world.
You really haven't thought it through ey.
How can a new arrival from Russia who is of Jewish faith claim to be indigenous to a land their parents, grandparents going back generations never knew. Yet a Palestinian whose whole family history is tied to this particular land be an outcast?
This is an example of what's been happening.
The 2 state solution was never fair, and used as a cover for further land grabs by Israel. This is not opinion but documented fact, the settlements are illegal under international law.
What are you now suggesting, that Israel should just commit total genocide?
Do some reading and you'll find there are actually more extreme groups that Hamas waiting in the wings. Guess Israel and USA should have dealt with PLO when they had the chance.
Now Islam extremists are the norm.
seeds wrote:
I just gave you the answer. It really is that simple when you break it down.
Thats not an answer.
So
Where should Palestine arabs live and rule?
Where should Israeli Jews live and rule?
Flee to where, a foreign country as refugees, while settlers, like the the Jewish bloke from Melbourne claims a tenuous ancestral connection whilst being an Australian born citizen. Ousts people from their homes with the full backing of the Israeli state and the might of the IDF.
You three want to overlook a lot of the historical facts. And you want to ask what thE Israeli’s should do, well what the fuck do you think the Palestinian population should do. While some cunt from Melbourne lays claim to your house. The unfounded fear of that very proposition whipped a few of you to vote No to FNP. Fark!
maybe get them all to come and live with and learn from indigenous australians for 6 months, see what tens of thousands of years of a connection to a place really is, till they see there is an altogether different way. Charge them about 20 billion. Cheap solution.
Live and rule? Fuck me! Right where they are now and always have been. Jointly, multiculturally; everyone’s finger in the pie of prosperity.
soggydog wrote:
Flee to where, a foreign country as refugees, while settlers, like the the Jewish bloke from Melbourne claims a tenuous ancestral connection whilst being an Australian born citizen. Ousts people from their homes with the full backing of the Israeli state and the might of the IDF.
You three want to overlook a lot of the historical facts. And you want to ask what thE Israeli’s should do, well what the fuck do you think the Palestinian population should do. While some cunt from Melbourne lays claim to your house. The unfounded fear of that very proposition whipped a few of you to vote No to FNP. Fark!
As mentioned I worked with that bloke years ago.
Absolute arsehole....
Have it cunts