I'm not a fan of that Copenhagen development. And it's just one of many ott developments that have no relationship to the Danish architectural tradition and vernacular.

Don't mean to piss on anyone's parade, but I grew up in CPH and it was a beautiful city. Now it's full of wanky monstrosities.

What?!! Wonderful wonderful Copenhagen, friendly old girl of a town.

I can hear Danny Kaye warbling away through the mists of time :-)

Cheers, Zen.

It does have an element of UAE cringe doesn’t it. I wouldn’t want it over the road from my palace. Got to look at it how a women sees a short, fat, bald wealthy man though. Not pretty but functional and will get you where you need to be. There’s a genuine attractiveness in that, and I’ve had this explained to me directly from a women who liked the aforementioned men

Managed retreat.
Robe obelisk replica recommended as Limestone Coast faces erosion battle - ABC News https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-09/robe-obelisk-replica-recommended…

blackers wrote:

Managed retreat.

Robe obelisk replica recommended as Limestone Coast faces erosion battle - ABC News https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-09/robe-obelisk-replica-recommended…

Let if fall. It's closed anyway, you can't walk to it. They fenced it off with the ugliest looking wire so the whole setup is quite depressing.

flollo wrote:

blackers wrote:

Managed retreat.

Robe obelisk replica recommended as Limestone Coast faces erosion battle - ABC News https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-12-09/robe-obelisk-replica-recommended…

Let if fall. It's closed anyway, you can't walk to it. They fenced it off with the ugliest looking wire so the whole setup is quite depressing.

Can't disagree with you there, it's a fairly underwhelming monument, but has its moments in the late afternoon sun. Let the sea take it back.

BP to scrap renewable generation target

"Too far, too fast:” bp details renewables backtrack, puts Australian green hydrogen mega-projects on ice"

Global oil and gas major bp has set out its strategy for a fundamental reset, including slashing its spend on “low carbon energy” from a planned $US30 billion out to 2030, to around $4 billion, and redirecting investment to fossil fuels, which it says are its “highest return opportunities.”

The major scale-back on renewables will mean no new investments in “transition” projects over the coming three years, an exit from onshore wind, and a major hydrogen and carbon capture and storage (CCS) cull from around 30 projects to between just five and seven “prioritised projects” – none of which appear to be in Australia."

https://reneweconomy.com.au/too-far-too-fast-bp-details-renewables-back…

This is kind of surprising, but also not surprising at the same time.

I dont think the political and media narrative on all this fit's reality.

I think its going to take a lot longer than people say/think to go carbon free, especially in Australia a country that won't have the advantage of large amounts of Hydro energy or any Nuclear to support wind and solar.

It's also why Adani went through in QLD because that demand for coal elsewhere is still going to be there for sometime.

There's no magic switch you just switch, it's going to take a lot of time to transition fully, and what makes things harder is just the every growing increase in demand for energy not just in Australia but globally especially in developing countries with fast growing middle classes.

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/19962/climate-emergency-hoax

AlfredWallace wrote:

indo-dreaming wrote:

Distracted wrote:

indo-dreaming wrote:

I was surprised to learn the other day that UK are currently building a new Nuclear power station

(from Dec)

"Reactor installed at UK's newest nuclear power station

Workers have fitted a reactor into the first nuclear power station to be built in Britain for 30 years."

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvg725xpxleo

And look to be be building more

Although it is now at twice the estimated cost and several years behind schedule.

https://www.thechemicalengineer.com/news/hinkley-point-welcomes-uk-s-fi…

Yeah thats the problem cost, but its still interesting that UK are building some nuclear as are other countries .

I think its much more realistic that we will just have to go with more gas peaking plants to support renewable's to provide that energy safety net.

"Energy tsar: Australia needs 26 gas power plants

Monday 1 July 2024

Both the AEMO and MB keep saying it: gas is the only way to stabilise and decarbonise the grid so that we don’t bankrupt ourselves trying to meet meet Paris Agreement targets.

The east coast of Australia will need 13 gigawatts of new gas fired electricity generation – the equivalent of building 26 new gas plants – within the next 25 years to back up the rollout of renewables."

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2024/07/energy-tsar-australia-needs-26…

While If you wanted to do what AW wants and not have that safety net of gas, you would need a crazy amount of batteries in reserve that you wouldn't need or use 95% of the time, the cost would be insane.

I heard the other day 3 months worth of storage would be needed without a fuel based energy security net.

So if true, if we end up with 48 hours of storage across Australia by 2050 for the energy security safety net needed in storage we would need roughly another 2,112 hours of energy storage (90 days x24hr = 2,160 minus 48hrs of storage = 2,112hrs extra needed)

There is probably a good argument that green hydrogen can replace gas (at least in time), but there must be a good reason for now why it currently isn't in the equation?

That said they also say gas peaking plants can be converted to run on green hydrogen, so if the green hydrogen thing becomes more realistic than all those gas peaking plants are not a waste

IndoDreaming. Hi mate and others.

No gas or nuclear for me as you already know.

Victoria currently derives 38% of its power from renewables, this has occurred at quite a rapid rate.

Soon it will near 50% and by 2030 100%.

If it’s doable for our state. Why not others ?

The only thing holding back progress is the historical mindset of the provision of fossil fuel , we just can’t seem to let it go.

Before we had gas and electricity derived from fossil fuels, we burnt wood and coke.

We were capable of moving away from those two polluters at some stage so there’s no reason why we can’t move away from gas and coal fired power stations.

Society has to want to change, I think they do , just need a little kick up the arse.

It doesn’t matter what energy amounts are required to run Australia, just build very large systems to manufacture the energy, it’ll still be way cheaper than nuclear reactors.

I will never change my view whilst we reside in a society that’s capable of building anything, just do it and showcase to the world how it’s done. I’m choking on all this talk of gas . AW

This is a more relevant thread.

Sorry but you are dreaming if you think we are going to anywhere near 100% by 2030 even experts say we will still be using gas peaking plants by at least 2050

During the day with some sun and wind yes, but this is the reality during the night.

Building up wind and solar is the easy and cheapest part, but building up storage is the hard bit and its where the real cost comes into things and the return on investment is not there because you are storing something not producing it (storing something already produced)

And then as pointed out building up enough storage to provide that energy security safety net needed is a bigger mission that maybe will never happen or not for a very very long time

This is current reality outside of daylight hours and remember between 4p to 9pm is peak energy demand times, which will only get worse as people come and plug their EV's in to recharge.

Just before sun comes up low energy need time..

BTW As you can see Tasmania is playing a totally different game, they dont need much storage at all as have that Hydro as energy security, they could be 100% carbon free vey easily they only have that tiny bit of gas holding them back.

And the irony is if the green lobby had their way in the 70s -80s they would not be in this great position they are now.

And look at Victoria, we are the worst not the best look at that brown coal

Energy egg-spurt

Birch Glacier in the Swiss Alps collapsed overnight and with it, it buried 90% of the town below. They evacuated 10 days ago which resulted in minimal loss of life but the town looks to be gone along with a new natural damning of the river.

Before and after, as well as an incredible video..

https://bsky.app/profile/subfossilguy.bsky.social/post/3lqaicnhugs2d

Wow , that’s insane .

^ holy crap.. brave filmer..

Here’s a good description. There’s a greater collapse possible.

jeez, how was the zurich geology expert on the ABC getting the reflux..?

The state of coal in 2025:

https://globalenergymonitor.org/report/boom-and-bust-coal-2025/

Background to this research...
All this wasted Hot Air from [LNP] is enough to Power whole Nation + Aukus Subs
These Climate Change Deniers have alone sucked Parliament House Solar Panels Dry!
Every fuckin' night they gotta run the Lights and A/C 24/7 melting our Oz Grid.
Wotz Electricity? Dunno! Just keep the lights on will ya...( Like we're paying for yer Fuckin Melt Down )
Like we could pipe LNP Hot Air into Tankers & export it to power Musk's Rockets & Trumps Nukes!
Trump be like fuck yer Oz Uranium give us some more of that [LNP] Meltdown Hot Air @ Zoom Zoom
Well why not just light one of Barnaby's Farts to Power the Mission to Mars...Emissions drop 99%

NP / Country Libs were always world leaders #1 Oz Wind / Solar Power Rollout Champions

Never once did NP bitch about 250k Iconic Rusted out Southern Cross windmills littering the bush?
Quite the opposite > NP Farmers love their Rusty Windmills more than City Slickers.

More Barbed wire & even more Electric Barbed Wire strung out over OZ than Renewable grid

Man removes 18km of barbed wire +4km electric fencing from Victorian property to save wildlife
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-10-31/man-removes-18km-of-barbed-wire-…

Farmers have polluted 20x longer + 20x more Wind towers & 20x more Wires than Renewables.
Just open yer fuckin' eyes ...Barbed Wire as far as yer eyes can see..go for a run..(Help Me! I'm stuck!)
Every Aussie gotta wrestle some #%@* Barbed Wire ...all say nuthin' about it...Huh! So STFU!

Here's yer Aussie Weet-Bix Kid's Homework!
Q : How much Oz Farmers Barbed wire rolled out > Manufactured > Sold
(Go on > Break the Internet!)
There is no number high enough nor enough Computers or time to measure Oz #1 Killer FU Pollution
So as a result! > Schools Kids say Fuck It > Lets never mention that fuckin' shit ever again...taboo!
Bullies Win...No one has the guts to make these fuckers accountable for Killing off Oz Environment

1980 NT CLP Solar Power Rebate Scheme / CO2 reduced Emissions< > responding fuel savings
https://dpsc.nt.gov.au/media/docs/nt-archive-service/nt-cabinet-records…

Today tbb tripped over yet another massive [L] Party World Beating Enviro Champions Puff Piece.

1972 Australian [L] PM William McMahon
Appointed Peter Howson Minister for the Environment, Aborigines and the Arts.
Peter : "The little bastard gave me trees, boongs and pooftas!"
Howson was awarded a Medal for strongly supporting cultural assimilation of boongs while deriding the Stolen Generations as a "silly fairy tale"

Don't get anymore deadshit Aussie than that!
Do we really wanna read any further...fucked if tbb knows...it's a basket case.
Extraordinary Claim that this fuckin' deadshit gets [L] Back on Track and in front of the Pack!
OMG tbb has lost it...What the fuck is this shit...

National Parks Association of the A.C.T. inc Bulletin
Vol. 10 No.X(Typo) 2 Dec, Jan. Feb 1972/73 Price 30c
Registered in Australia for transmission by post as a periodical (Category B)
Subscription Rates : Family and Corp Subs $6.00 Single $4.00
(Sorry! No seniors discounts until [L] Howard Middle Class Welfare era!)

Page 8
[ STATEMENT TO THE U.N. CONFERENCE ON HUMAN ENVIRONMENT, STOCKHOLM 1972 ]
By Environment Minister Mr Peter Howson, Leader of the Australian Delegation.
* In spirit of Cooperation our Delegation
Fed Enviro + Ministers of 2 Largest States + Senior Enviro Officials from all States
+ (Extra Searches > Not Official) revealed 2 women's names : Margaret Whitlam + Susan Ryan

In recognition we formed an Australian Environment Council of 7 Government's Specialist Ministers
Ind Land Use Adv' Council to advise (National Importance Undertakings) in NPs / Enviro Assets
NSW + now Feds have introduced EIS format.

swellnet hodad 2025 Review of 1972 Conference Review!

Key : 1972 Human Environment = 2025 Man Made Climate Change (feel free to dispute that!)

Australia was one of the 1st Countries to support the initiative for this Conference.
22nd Sept 1969 UN assembly Aust. External Affairs Minister devoted his speech to such Conference.
Industry & Wide variety of Aussies are right behind international effort to preserve Human Environment.

Our further development needs safeguards to help us forestall Environmental problems which now face many developed countries...We are already in a worse position than we would like!

Many of World's Enviro Problems have risen because...
'Lack of awareness' of the (Enviro Effects of Human Actions).
Sometimes those making decisions are (Ignorant of Knowledge) already available
(We must strive against both forms of Ignorance!)

No one seriously questions that we need to measure the Impact of our activities on the Environment
Without account of FULL Impact of Project on Environment the economic implications are incomplete!
Economists need to step up and provide more assistance for fruitful international exchange!
Oz is ready to play it's part in Monitoring enviro factors on Global Scale
We believe of course that increased attention must be paid at an international level to Pollution of the seas and of the Atmosphere!
Increasingly obvious that Local Atmospheric emissions contribute to Global Atmospheric Pollution
Draft convention on Ocean Dumping should be Settled at earliest practicable opportunity (1973 IMCO)

I now turn to the Organization of Future International Action & Co-operation on the Environment!
Oz supports UN as far as possible to provide Broad Policy in the Field of Human Environment!

It is not just desirable but essential that S' Hemisphere / Pacific reps attack Global Enviro Problems.
In keeping with all preceding me...
Oz agrees with International Economics & Trade Policy
* Harmonization of Similar Standards to maintain environment for clean world
* Equitable Basis to approach Pollution within general community
* Polluter must Pay Policy
* Accepts Voluntary Fund principle!

2 Opposing Fallacies that we have to steer between!

One is to think there is nothing to worry about, or that there is plenty of time, or that one country's troubles or actions in respect of the Environment are of no relevance to anyone else!

The other Fallacy is to think that Environmental Disaster is so close that programmes of development are bad in themselves...(Shortened to race to the end...Ok!)
Reads : It's not technology itself that is bad: It's the use that man sometimes makes of it!
The goal is higher living standards throughout the world!

This Conference has the Task of Seeing that the conditions will exist for the whole of mankind to take advantage in safety of all the opportunities for Human Benefit that Science and Technology have opened up and will continue to offer in increasing measure!

swellnet crew be stoked to share their 30c periodical but can't promise Das Kommissar will stamp it!

https://www.npaact.org.au/images/Bulletin/1970-1979/Vol%2010%20No%202%2…

Alt : Covert Google search
[ Statement to UN Conference on Human Environment Stockholm 1972 by Peter Howson ]

Trove Copy
https://nla.gov.au/nla.obj-2085075026/view?partId=nla.obj-2088362906#pa…

The White House Effect, on Netflix. 1hr 30mins. (1min trailer below)

(invaluable 70s and 80s archival footage,
political/ / enviro-crisis / deregulation)
.
such a different time, 1980...