This is one of the biggest surprises of the election.

Hispanics make up about 20% of the USA population and they are said to have voted for Trump mostly over the border control issue.

I saw it come up quite a few times with Hispanic's/Latinos in those street interview's saying they were voting for Trump over the border control issue.

Often an attitude of we came here legally so get pissed off when others arrive illegally

Indo, you know i completely disagree on pretty much everything you post.
But at least you're willing to stand on your own two feet and say it like you see it.
Right or wrong, i respect that.
Same as a few other posters....rainbow cupcakes etc.
We'll fire up at each other again on pretty much everything no doubt, but i like that you show some humanity and humility.

southernraw wrote:

AndyM wrote:

southernraw wrote:

AndyM wrote:

Yeah there're some pretty emotional people around at the moment.

Went out to the local bowlsie last night and for shits and gigs, a few mates turned up with little American flags, trucker hats and tactical vests.

A fella at a different table had a Make Lennox Great Again hat, which I thought was hilarious.

We were having Iwo Jima moments with the American flag when a young chick at the next table starts mouthing off with calls of "racists" etc etc.

I dare say she had zero sense of humour and wouldn't know what irony or a piss-take was.

I've seen her around before and she seems quite nice, it's just a shame that she's gone full basic.

And I hope when it comes to Australian politics she's equally as passionate but maybe a bit less inclined to latch onto hysterical false dichotomies.

Nice perspective AndyM.....from a male.

btw i hope you noted the sarcasm.

I thought you were smarter than that and more aware....but then remembered you're from Byron/Lennox. Birds of a feather eh.

edit.: oh...she was from Byron too. Doh!

Haha, damn those privileged white males eh??

You know me, hanging out in Lennox in my 3 million dollar house, standing over females, people of colour, neuro-diverse people and trans-people.

You've get me pegged.

A bro with his bros ...of Byron...baggin a chick....without ever knowing how it feels to be her at the moment.

You're my hero too Andy M.

You're so all over the place it's actually concerning.
Anyway, I find conversations like this fascinating - I've heard quite a few political scientists say that although there is of course the "left" vs "right" culture wars, the real conflict is between elements of the left.
Southernraw you know we're on the same team regarding a lot of stuff but here we are with you wanting to crucify me because, well, I'm just not sanctimonious enough for you, or I'm not hardcore enough with my bone fides.
It seems like you haven't realised it yet, but that schtick is counter productive.
You're pushing allies away.

I think you’re barking up the wrong tree there Southern.

southernraw wrote:

Indo, you know i completely disagree on pretty much everything you post.

But at least you're willing to stand on your own two feet and say it like you see it.

Right or wrong, i respect that.

Same as a few other posters....rainbow cupcakes etc.

We'll fire up at each other again on pretty much everything no doubt, but i like that you show some humanity and humility.

Oh okay thanks.

Roker wrote:

“We were having Iwo Jima moments with the American flag when a young chick at the next table starts mouthing off with calls of "racists" etc etc.

I dare say she had zero sense of humour and wouldn't know what irony or a piss-take was.”

Are you sure it wasn’t Jimmy Kimmel?

Haha, what's up with these emotional haemophiliacs??
The hysteria is unbelievable, the social division is ridiculous.

AndyM wrote:

southernraw wrote:

AndyM wrote:

southernraw wrote:

AndyM wrote:

Yeah there're some pretty emotional people around at the moment.

Went out to the local bowlsie last night and for shits and gigs, a few mates turned up with little American flags, trucker hats and tactical vests.

A fella at a different table had a Make Lennox Great Again hat, which I thought was hilarious.

We were having Iwo Jima moments with the American flag when a young chick at the next table starts mouthing off with calls of "racists" etc etc.

I dare say she had zero sense of humour and wouldn't know what irony or a piss-take was.

I've seen her around before and she seems quite nice, it's just a shame that she's gone full basic.

And I hope when it comes to Australian politics she's equally as passionate but maybe a bit less inclined to latch onto hysterical false dichotomies.

Nice perspective AndyM.....from a male.

btw i hope you noted the sarcasm.

I thought you were smarter than that and more aware....but then remembered you're from Byron/Lennox. Birds of a feather eh.

edit.: oh...she was from Byron too. Doh!

Haha, damn those privileged white males eh??

You know me, hanging out in Lennox in my 3 million dollar house, standing over females, people of colour, neuro-diverse people and trans-people.

You've get me pegged.

A bro with his bros ...of Byron...baggin a chick....without ever knowing how it feels to be her at the moment.

You're my hero too Andy M.

You're so all over the place it's actually concerning.

Anyway, I find conversations like this fascinating - I've heard quite a few political scientists say that although there is of course the "left" vs "right" culture wars, the real conflict is between elements of the left.

Southernraw you know we're on the same team regarding a lot of stuff but here we are with you wanting to crucify me because, well, I'm just not sanctimonious enough for you, or I'm not hardcore enough with my bone fides.

It seems like you haven't realised it yet, but that schtick is counter productive.

You're pushing allies away.

@andyM did you take the time to go and ask her if she was ok or decide it was better to save it for a bro post on SN?
I know if it was me, i wouldn't be comfortable sharing someone elses darkest moment without at least trying to help first.

indo-dreaming wrote:

southernraw wrote:

Indo, you know i completely disagree on pretty much everything you post.

But at least you're willing to stand on your own two feet and say it like you see it.

Right or wrong, i respect that.

Same as a few other posters....rainbow cupcakes etc.

We'll fire up at each other again on pretty much everything no doubt, but i like that you show some humanity and humility.

Oh okay thanks.

No worries Indo.
We only learn from our differences right?
Hope you're having a good weekend.

seeds wrote:

I think you’re barking up the wrong tree there Southern.

No Seeds. Just staying true.
Will annoy most on here.
Acknowledged.

Leave gender out of it. She didn’t get the pisstake. She unfortunately thought Andy and mates were for real.
Aussies are going woke for sure.

Fuck off info, check out the education stds, or don’t, I don’t care less, but if you do it might add to your knowledge

seeds wrote:

Leave gender out of it. She didn’t get the pisstake. She unfortunately thought Andy and mates were for real.

Aussies are going woke for sure.

Seeds, mate....as are seemingly most males at the moment,....your comment is pointed at her as being wrong and his mates at being right, and not actually showing some humanity and love and asking if she's ok and why.
Do you know, alot of females are feeling completely distraught, scared and helpless at the moment? You might not understand, because you see the world through a males eyes, but if you're a female, every male has suddenly become extremely aggresive, derogatory and domineering, as that's how they voted.
Do you get it?
Do you understand why comments like AndyMs, although i admire him and like him, are just adding fuel to that fire.
When the fuck are you lot going to stand up for women and show some backbone for them, even if it goes against your ingrained beliefs and egos.
And i like you @seeds. But dont' fucken even dare try to dance around the real issue that women are second class citizens and they keep getting shown it again and again.
Go jump on the new forum i made an comment what you really think about women.
Enlighten me.

GuySmiley wrote:

Fuck off info, check out the education stds, or don’t, I don’t care less, but if you do it might add to your knowledge

Like i said your last four post have just been aimed at me. (this is the first i have reacted too)

You clearly dont want to discuss anything with me, so why seek my attention?

You know i have zero interest in discussing anything with you, because you have failed to show any ability to have a proper discussion or debate, so seriously why bother?

This is a big moment, surely you have some thoughts or views about it all???

seeds wrote:

Leave gender out of it. She didn’t get the pisstake. She unfortunately thought Andy and mates were for real.

Aussies are going woke for sure.

Thank you, it had zero to do with gender.
Fuck, the days of Aussie larrikin humour are dead, that's another thing we can thank the U.S. for.

Southern, you seem to be confused. No one voted here. Wrong country.
I don’t see anyone here against women.
You seem to see women as helpless downtrodden part of society.
Mate it’s all equal these days, especially in this country. Obviously there’s a bad element and it needs to improve but it’s not the majority.
The issue is yours. It’s rather perplexing your take on Andy M story.

Andy M wrote 'Went out to the local bowlsie last night and for shits and gigs, a few mates turned up with little American flags, trucker hats and tactical vests.
A fella at a different table had a Make Lennox Great Again hat, which I thought was hilarious.
We were having Iwo Jima moments with the American flag when a young chick at the next table starts mouthing off with calls of "racists" etc etc.'
Straight out provocation in a time of absolute earth shattering sadness for some (women) and you laugh and whinge when you get a response both here and on swellnet. Fucken piss weak.

Yeah you're right, the sole reason we did it was to provoke women

Southern, Um but her point wasn’t women’s rights, which she has in bucket loads, but racism.
You’re argument doesn’t stack up.

Sorry mate, the "earth shattering sadness" line actually made me laugh out loud.

seeds wrote:

Um but her point wasn’t women’s rights, which she has in bucket loads, but racism.

You’re argument doesn’t stack up.

I would say the racism thing stems from a convicted criminal being elected over a black woman @seeds.
But you'll argue that too no doubt.
edit: Actually would be a great argument if you could make it on moral grounds.

AndyM wrote:

Sorry mate, the "earth shattering sadness" line actually made me laugh out loud.

That's fine @AndyM.
I honestly would expect nothing less.

And if someone's going to make a blanket judgement of something as heavy as racism because of who they (wrongly) believe the other person supports politically, well that says everything about them.

Bill Clinton - the ultimate MAGA

I remember when AndyM and Seeds teamed up against me during Covid and my strong stance against the vaccination....3 years ago.
Ahh got a touch of nostalgia fellas.

southernraw wrote:

AndyM wrote:

Sorry mate, the "earth shattering sadness" line actually made me laugh out loud.

That's fine @AndyM.

I honestly would expect nothing less.

I should hope not, the over-emoting is off the charts.
Most people I know would raise an eyebrow over a line like that.

southernraw wrote:

seeds wrote:

Um but her point wasn’t women’s rights, which she has in bucket loads, but racism.

You’re argument doesn’t stack up.

I would say the racism thing stems from a convicted criminal being elected over a black woman @seeds.

But you'll argue that too no doubt.

edit: Actually would be a great argument if you could make it on moral grounds.

What??

AndyM wrote:

And if someone's going to make a blanket judgement of something as heavy as racism because of who they (wrongly) believe the other person supports politically, well that says everything about them.

So you're supporting Trump?
Don't think he's racist.
Fuck you're going into some deadset drowning territory there AndyM.
He didn't show you enough that racism was his key policy.
I thought at least you'd understand that.
Or was she Indian.
Ahh shit who knows.
Probably no racism.

AndyM wrote:

southernraw wrote:

AndyM wrote:

Sorry mate, the "earth shattering sadness" line actually made me laugh out loud.

That's fine @AndyM.

I honestly would expect nothing less.

I should hope not, the over-emoting is off the charts.

Most people I know would raise an eyebrow over a line like that.

Hmmm....different circles i guess.

Southern you on the mushrooms tonight. World flipped upside down?
You’re having a Juliang moment? Fighting the like minded?

@seeds, i wish i was on the shrooms.
Confirmed, yes the world has flipped upside down.

southernraw wrote:

AndyM wrote:

And if someone's going to make a blanket judgement of something as heavy as racism because of who they (wrongly) believe the other person supports politically, well that says everything about them.

So you're supporting Trump?

Don't think he's racist.

Fuck you're going into some deadset drowning territory there AndyM.

He didn't show you enough that racism was his key policy.

I thought at least you'd understand that.

Or was she Indian.

Ahh shit who knows.

Probably no racism.

Sorry, I thought what I said was pretty clear.
I'll try again.
If the person at the table next to ours at the bowls club wants to make a blanket judgement of me and my friends regarding something as heavy as racism because of who the person at the next table (wrongly) believes we support politically, well that says everything about that person at the next table.
Make sense?

I make no apologies for pushing the point that this website's commenters are blind to how the world must look through a womans eyes.
There's nothing in it for me.
I just get really pissed that this is a reflection of the broader society, so in my little stupor, i try to rectify that on a scale that noone cares about, in the hope that one or two people might actually realise.....the male perspective isn't the whole human perspective, and maybe we should allow females into this space.
But that point keeps getting lost.
I hope people discuss it on the Women thread.
Women deserve some change.
Change can only happen on the micro level hey.
And fwiw, i don't think either Andy M or you are at all sexist. But i reckon you both are part out dated mindset of bros n hos.
Time to change. Be a leader not a follower mate.
Night.

AndyM wrote:

southernraw wrote:

AndyM wrote:

And if someone's going to make a blanket judgement of something as heavy as racism because of who they (wrongly) believe the other person supports politically, well that says everything about them.

So you're supporting Trump?

Don't think he's racist.

Fuck you're going into some deadset drowning territory there AndyM.

He didn't show you enough that racism was his key policy.

I thought at least you'd understand that.

Or was she Indian.

Ahh shit who knows.

Probably no racism.

Sorry, I thought what I said was pretty clear.

I'll try again.

If the person at the table next to ours at the bowls club wants to make a blanket judgement of me and my friends regarding something as heavy as racism because of who the person at the next table (wrongly) believes we support politically, well that says everything about that person at the next table.

Make sense?

Bro timing. Makes perfect sense.
Definitely weren't looking for a fight.
But got one and cried....and cried.
Typical Byron Lads.
That's why i left that shit hole.

You get really pissed alright.
Hey you remember that time you talked about losing a female friend and it was a real shame because "she was really hot"?
Do you remember saying that?
I do, because it actually gave me a bit of a shock.
This white knight, this women's saviour (because, you know, women can't look after themselves) is maybe protesting just a little bit too much.

Hey Southern

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AndyM wrote:

You get really pissed alright.

Hey you remember that time you talked about losing a female friend and it was a real shame because "she was really hot"?

Do you remember saying that?

I do, because it actually gave me a bit of a shock.

This white knight, this women's saviour (because, you know, women can't look after themselves) is maybe protesting just a little bit too much.

I know i'd never say that in that context so keep digging mate.
And thanks for the reminder.

burleigh wrote:

Hey Southern

https://www.instagram.com/p/DCGCu7ysdvx/?igsh=MWxrY2Vsc2dycnZvdA==

haha thanks Burleigh.
Nice ties!!

southernraw wrote:

AndyM wrote:

southernraw wrote:

AndyM wrote:

And if someone's going to make a blanket judgement of something as heavy as racism because of who they (wrongly) believe the other person supports politically, well that says everything about them.

So you're supporting Trump?

Don't think he's racist.

Fuck you're going into some deadset drowning territory there AndyM.

He didn't show you enough that racism was his key policy.

I thought at least you'd understand that.

Or was she Indian.

Ahh shit who knows.

Probably no racism.

Sorry, I thought what I said was pretty clear.

I'll try again.

If the person at the table next to ours at the bowls club wants to make a blanket judgement of me and my friends regarding something as heavy as racism because of who the person at the next table (wrongly) believes we support politically, well that says everything about that person at the next table.

Make sense?

Bro timing. Makes perfect sense.

Definitely weren't looking for a fight.

But got one and cried....and cried.

Typical Byron Lads.

That's why i left that shit hole.

For the village emotional haemophiliac you're doing some pretty good projecting.
Mate have you ever talked to someone about how deeply distressed you seem to get?
Seriously, go have a yarn and get it off your chest, you're a good guy but you're taking this way too seriously, that much is obvious by how you've steered this conversation.

Do any women in Australia actually tell you this stuff Southern?
I think it’s you that maybe is blind to how the world looks through most women’s eyes.
The bad is in the minority. Women are kicking goals and making the most of it these days in the western world.

southernraw wrote:

AndyM wrote:

You get really pissed alright.

Hey you remember that time you talked about losing a female friend and it was a real shame because "she was really hot"?

Do you remember saying that?

I do, because it actually gave me a bit of a shock.

This white knight, this women's saviour (because, you know, women can't look after themselves) is maybe protesting just a little bit too much.

I know i'd never say that in that context so keep digging mate.

And thanks for the reminder.

But you did say that, right?
Not cool.

Andy M.
How dare you.
As if i'd say that in that context.
You evil...
CUNT.

.

Maybe time gents.

seeds wrote:

Do any women in Australia actually tell you this stuff Southern?

I think it’s you that maybe is blind to how the world looks through most women’s eyes.

The bad is in the minority. Women are kicking goals and making the most of it these days in the western world.

ha. Well yes mate. A fucken lot.
Women in the US too.
You don't know any females??

Noted Blackers.
Andy M.....i can't believe you'd say something so lame.
I know me, and i know i'd never speak like that.
Whatever you read was obviously out of context.
To bring up the death of an ex in a convo is about the lowest low i can imagine.
Definitely a Byron fella.

You live in Afghanistan obviously
tapping out now.

Makes perfect sense.
Definitely weren't looking for a fight.
But got one and cried....and cried.

Nah wasn't the death of an ex, it was someone you cut loose.

Sure thing AndyM.
No worries.
Thanks for the memories i didn't need tonight.