The Necessity of Reparation for Historic Injustices

Supafreak Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 09:21 am new

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burleigh Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 10:28 am new

Welcome to country: invented in 1976 by Ernie Dingo now squeezed by corporate fuckwit zombies everywhere in 2023.

Hiccups Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 10:36 am new

Excuse me? Did I wake up in the 1990's? It's been a pretty damn long time since it was common knowledge that "abo" is a highly unacceptable slur.

basesix Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 10:51 am new

...simple diminutive form of a word to de-humanise people. See Jap, Homo, Jew, Abo, it is always up to the person being called a thing, to sanction a term, in the particular context. if in doubt, don't use it.

Some people think they are being positive when they use a slur to say something positive - they are in actuality just being patronising and condescending, i.e. "I'll say this for the Japs, they have good family values and work hard". Also, entitled people don't bother reading the room.

burleigh Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 10:48 am new

Hiccups wrote:

Excuse me? Did I wake up in the 1990's? It's been a pretty damn long time since it was common knowledge that "abo" is a highly unacceptable slur.

Hiccups, we don't often agree, but on this we do 100%

GuySmiley Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 11:02 am new

burleigh wrote:

Hiccups wrote:

Excuse me? Did I wake up in the 1990's? It's been a pretty damn long time since it was common knowledge that "abo" is a highly unacceptable slur.

Hiccups, we don't often agree, but on this we do 100%

I’m agreeing with both of you on this.

Fliplid Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 11:15 am new

Supafreak wrote:

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It's probably more a case of people believing things that aren't true rather than outright racism supa, not saying the racism doesn't exist but I'd be surprised if it is the main issue

Some of the reasons being given why it isn't 'safe' to vote are just plain wrong but because Jacinta or a couple of other indigenous people say something like "there are no details", which is then amplified by Dutton it means people are voting no for the wrong reasons

There may be some valid arguments for a no vote but it would be a quiet debate if everyone stuck to just those few and that's not in the interests of Dutton and co. so they keep generating all these false narratives.

At least it's a sign that the country's not completely going to shit when a top ranked Liberal makes the effort to try and debunk some of the bullshit

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/nonsense-liberal-veteran-skewer…

One thing that that cartoonist got right though is that Jacinta is the one sitting at the bosses table

seeds Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 11:58 am new

Did Monique Ryan inadvertently sink the Voice?
https://apple.news/Ax0a1d6-vQraDC4WJZU5gBQ

AndyM Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 12:26 pm new

GuySmiley wrote:

burleigh wrote:
Hiccups wrote:

Excuse me? Did I wake up in the 1990's? It's been a pretty damn long time since it was common knowledge that "abo" is a highly unacceptable slur.

Hiccups, we don't often agree, but on this we do 100%

I’m agreeing with both of you on this.

Agreement all round, the word abo ranks alongside gook or nigger, a very ugly slur.

icandig Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 12:44 pm new

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icandig Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 12:47 pm new

stunet wrote:

I read the comment and, like ID, thought it was coarse, wouldn't be something I'd say myself, but didn't think too much about it. Live and let live, and all that.

Reading about it this morning is both illuminating and shows how much of a minefield language can be, particularly when words become loaded, as that one has. A few online sources say that it wasn't always derogatory but became that way when it was attached to racist attitudes.

Same word, different connotations.

Similar to the US experience I guess - and which I've mentioned before - like how 'colour' was offensive but is now an accepted descriptor ('person of colour'), and how 'Negro' was acceptable but now isn't.

It's a friggen minefield, especially for suburban folk who have few exchanges with FNP, and I can understand why some people rely on the intent clause - i.e the word doesn't matter, but the intent behind it does. I tend to lean that way myself but figure it's always good to learn, and anyway, here in Australia we don't have to dip far into our past to hear words used with rotten intent, so perhaps you can understand why the recipients shudder when they hear them in another scenario.

It may be naive but I long for the day when we can play with language in jest and any attached baggage is so far in the rearview mirror of history as to lose all its sting. Convicts, bogans, wogs, poms, rangas, abos - have I left anyone out? - all the colours of modern Australia.

Unfortunately we're not there yet so, save the ironic use above, I reckon it's best to refrain from it.

Bodgie , widgie, septic, punk, emo, indo, kiwi, eshay.......words as descriptors of humans will always be used. It IS the intent and the context. Nevertheless if the zeitgeist deems a word offensive any fair-minded person should be sensitive to its use.

truebluebasher Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 12:59 pm new

About to put the MC Hammer Down...gonna do it...
U can't touch This...Totally Shaquadelic Baby...
[YES] Vote drops of the Charts & disappears up it's own enigma!
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12547147/Australia-politics-Vo…

burleigh Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 01:23 pm new

MC Hammer will be the final nail in the coffin for the yes campaign.

Jelly Flater Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 02:29 pm new
truebluebasher Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 03:58 pm new

Albo said it's a Typo...meant to read Thor's Hammer smashes thru impenetrable AEC ballot box!

overthefalls Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 04:11 pm new
southernraw Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 04:20 pm new

overthefalls wrote:

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/learn-the-facts-kamahl-makes-vo…

Good on you, Kamahl!

“It is gut-wrenching how a whole group of people were to be wiped out like it was vermin.”

“How in all conscience can you not try and do something for them? To make up for the butchery.”
And there it is. Nice one OTF.

indo-dreaming Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 05:33 pm new

waveman wrote:

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/indigenous/auditorgeneral-urged…

It's pay walled, any chance you can cut & paste :D

AlfredWallace Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 05:34 pm new

waveman wrote:

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/indigenous/auditorgeneral-urged…

Waveman. Hi. Whats your motive here ? AW

basesix Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 05:45 pm new

fk knows anymore, AW. Apparently Aboriginal people aren't to be trusted, can't be human, or make mistakes, or be corrupt, or try things and fail, or experiment with power structures and ego, or try to navigate difficult bureaucracies, or advocate for unpopular ideas. Only white people can do these things. And posting passively racist links with 'see?' implications is not only ok, it is part of the winning narrative.

overthefalls Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 05:48 pm new

AlfredWallace wrote:

waveman wrote:

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/indigenous/auditorgeneral-urged…

Waveman. Hi. Whats your motive here ? AW

Punching down

AlfredWallace Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 06:12 pm new

overthefalls wrote:

AlfredWallace wrote:
waveman wrote:

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/indigenous/auditorgeneral-urged…

Waveman. Hi. Whats your motive here ? AW

Punching down

OTF. Hi. Well you’ve used two words of your vocabulary, based upon your past engagements, you’d only have a couple or maybe three left, don’t use them all at once, wouldn’t want anyone to think you aren’t very smart.AW

truebluebasher Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 06:32 pm new

Murdoch's sponsored house boy Kamahl acted as if he was Aboriginal.
Part of the Stolen Generation...
Skippy's Park Ranger Ed used to be an Aboriginal top cop & ordered his white constable to arrest Arrernte man Kamahl (Who back then was a crazed ritualistic killer)
Skippy's then Black Boss had his Cops track Kamahl down to the Watering Hole & arrested him for sunbathing topless with his girlfriend. White Cop cuffed him for indecent exposure...looks like they stole him or banished him...story rings true!
https://aso.gov.au/titles/features/journey-out-of-darkness/clip2/
That was 1967 The year of the Reffo...explains everything...
Makes sense for Kamahl to magically reappear at the next Reffo...
Highly likely they'll banish Kamahl again.

Skippy is also Voting [YES]
https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.5226222778.5699/flat,750x,075,f-pad,750…

Here's the Black Cop White Park Ranger singin' Skippy.
https://www.nfsa.gov.au/collection/curated/ed-devereaux-sings-skippy-th…

1969 Kamahl singing Sounds of Goodbye...grom tbb used to dig this song...still sounds cool!

basesix Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 06:36 pm new

This is pretty indicative of an overthefalls comment AW.. sure you've got the right fella?

overthefalls wrote:

The issue is becoming so emotive that it’s bringing out the worst in some people on both sides of the campaign. It’s very disappointing. However, I reckon there are far more unsavoury characters pushing the no vote: Pauline Hanson, Malcolm Roberts, Clive Palmer, Mark Latham, Tony Abbot, Peter Dutton, Alan Jones, Andrew Bolt, and the others of similar ilk. If I was sitting on the fence, I’d be swayed towards voting yes just to avoid being associated with them. If you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas.

goofyfoot Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 06:41 pm new

AlfredWallace wrote:

overthefalls wrote:
AlfredWallace wrote:
waveman wrote:

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/indigenous/auditorgeneral-urged…

Waveman. Hi. Whats your motive here ? AW

Punching down

OTF. Hi. Well you’ve used two words of your vocabulary, based upon your past engagements, you’d only have a couple or maybe three left, don’t use them all at once, wouldn’t want anyone to think you aren’t very smart.AW

Think you’ve got your wires crossed AW.
OTF has always been a yes man as far as I can tell?

Edit. Just seen basesix post above. Seems we’re on the same page

waveman Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 06:42 pm new

AlfredWallace wrote:

waveman wrote:

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/indigenous/auditorgeneral-urged…

Waveman. Hi. Whats your motive here ? AW

Lots of Australian taxpayers wondering why $30 billion a year isn’t getting to those that need it the most.

Timely also given the concerns around the voice being ATSIC 2.0/son of ATSIC.

southernraw Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 06:44 pm new

Someone get AW his glasses...

overthefalls Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 07:13 pm new

AlfredWallace wrote:

overthefalls wrote:
AlfredWallace wrote:
waveman wrote:

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/indigenous/auditorgeneral-urged…

Waveman. Hi. Whats your motive here ? AW

Punching down

OTF. Hi. Well you’ve used two words of your vocabulary, based upon your past engagements, you’d only have a couple or maybe three left, don’t use them all at once, wouldn’t want anyone to think you aren’t very smart.AW

Hi AW. Just to clarify, “punching down” is what I felt waveman was doing by posting a link to that article.

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/punch-down

Reform Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 09:31 pm new

Jelly Flater wrote:

Thanks again Jelly, Wow you found magic here! Kev Carmody says it all in this fabulous and ironic song.
This song and video should be made into a learning lesson in all the schools with associated discussions about it.
Embolden the kids, so they get an understanding and reality of the sad state of Colonisation, its affects and where we are at today. If so there may be some truth for the kids to reckon and reason with so they make the right decisions in a considered and kindly way and hopefully, maybe turn things right around in this false reality of equality, justice and sustainability.
Vote YES! Thanks

Jelly Flater Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 10:17 pm new
seeds Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 11:00 pm new
truebluebasher Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 11:30 pm new

Friday Nite Surf Psych Medley courtesy King Stingray (Enjoy)
Intro : King Stingray are 2 Offspring of Yothu Yindi
2020 signed to Chat's Bargain Bin Records.
Raw Yolngu Country blend of 60's Pop Choruses with a dash of jangly psych-surfpunk!
Sounds crazy but they have put out a few cool tracks that work real good...happy to share King Stingray.

Background
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_Stingray

This first tune is a tribute...anyone know which song they salute...damn...should know this!
How familiar does that chorus sound...so cool & catchy...great hook!
Same as the second song...sounds familiar...again pretty cool sound.
Definitely some familiar power-pop (Tribute) driving their chorus.

seeds Friday, 22 Sep 2023 at 11:29 pm new

Nice TBB
Love those KSR boys

indo-dreaming Saturday, 23 Sep 2023 at 07:30 am new

overthefalls wrote:

AlfredWallace wrote:
waveman wrote:

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/indigenous/auditorgeneral-urged…

Waveman. Hi. Whats your motive here ? AW

Punching down

The article is totally relevant to the conversation.

Saying its punching down to post it is purely just deflection, and just bully type tactics to silence those that you dont agree with.

overthefalls Saturday, 23 Sep 2023 at 07:58 am new

indo-dreaming wrote:

overthefalls wrote:
AlfredWallace wrote:
waveman wrote:

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/indigenous/auditorgeneral-urged…

Waveman. Hi. Whats your motive here ? AW

Punching down

The article is totally relevant to the conversation.

Saying its punching down to post it is purely just deflection, and just bully type tactics to silence those that you dont agree with.

In what way is it relevant, Indo? Is one of your arguments that Aboriginal organisations cannot be trusted because of the potential for corruption? I thought that stuff occurred right across the political spectrum, regardless of race. As for your accusation of bullying, that’s laughable and misdirected. Waveman’s motive in posting a link to that article was clearly to discredit organisations run by Aboriginal people. Does one corrupt Aboriginal organisation make them all untrustworthy? You’re clutching at straws there, I reckon.

waveman Saturday, 23 Sep 2023 at 08:28 am new

overthefalls wrote:

AlfredWallace wrote:
waveman wrote:

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/indigenous/auditorgeneral-urged…

Waveman. Hi. Whats your motive here ? AW

Punching down

This is the omertà at work. Predictable and right on cue. Not allowed to talk about it. Happens all the time: story’s not reported, discussions shut down, diversion, insults.

You think by covering up these kinds of stories it helps aboriginal people? It doesn’t. It only perpetuates the problems.

Reform Saturday, 23 Sep 2023 at 08:29 am new

overthefalls wrote:

indo-dreaming wrote:
overthefalls wrote:
AlfredWallace wrote:
waveman wrote:

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/indigenous/auditorgeneral-urged…

Waveman. Hi. Whats your motive here ? AW

Punching down

The article is totally relevant to the conversation.

Saying its punching down to post it is purely just deflection, and just bully type tactics to silence those that you dont agree with.

In what way is it relevant, Indo? Is one of your arguments that Aboriginal organisations cannot be trusted because of the potential for corruption? I thought that stuff occurred right across the political spectrum, regardless of race. As for your accusation of bullying, that’s laughable and misdirected. Waveman’s motive in posting a link to that article was clearly to discredit organisations run by Aboriginal people. Does one corrupt Aboriginal organisation make them all untrustworthy? You’re clutching at straws there, I reckon.

Hi OTF,
Nice take off mate on the rebound, smooth riding, no bumps, coast is well and truly clear setting up for the ride ahead, Yew!

overthefalls Saturday, 23 Sep 2023 at 08:46 am new

waveman wrote:

overthefalls wrote:
AlfredWallace wrote:
waveman wrote:

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/indigenous/auditorgeneral-urged…

Waveman. Hi. Whats your motive here ? AW

Punching down

This is the omertà at work. Predictable and right on cue. Not allowed to talk about it. Happens all the time: story’s not reported, discussions shut down, diversion, insults.

You think by covering up these kinds of stories it helps aboriginal people? It doesn’t. It only perpetuates the problems.

Cover ups not needed; everyone knows about this stuff, but in the context of the current discussion, highlighting this issue is punching down. Do you wish the no campaign had added your point to the list of 10 reasons to vote no in the referendum booklet?

overthefalls Saturday, 23 Sep 2023 at 08:52 am new

Reform wrote:

overthefalls wrote:
indo-dreaming wrote:
overthefalls wrote:
AlfredWallace wrote:
waveman wrote:

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/indigenous/auditorgeneral-urged…

Waveman. Hi. Whats your motive here ? AW

Punching down

The article is totally relevant to the conversation.

Saying its punching down to post it is purely just deflection, and just bully type tactics to silence those that you dont agree with.

In what way is it relevant, Indo? Is one of your arguments that Aboriginal organisations cannot be trusted because of the potential for corruption? I thought that stuff occurred right across the political spectrum, regardless of race. As for your accusation of bullying, that’s laughable and misdirected. Waveman’s motive in posting a link to that article was clearly to discredit organisations run by Aboriginal people. Does one corrupt Aboriginal organisation make them all untrustworthy? You’re clutching at straws there, I reckon.

Hi OTF,

Nice take off mate on the rebound, smooth riding, no bumps, coast is well and truly clear setting up for the ride ahead, Yew!

Cheers, Reform. I hope I can do the same at Cloudbreak next week, but my past experiences there indicate that I’m more likely to live up to my namesake!

udo Saturday, 23 Sep 2023 at 09:25 am new
southernraw Saturday, 23 Sep 2023 at 09:20 am new

udo wrote:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-23/views-of-voice-to-parliament-in-…

So reading every single one of these communities say that they would encourage change through the voice. Yet none of them are Burleighs 'proud Bunjalung man' mate, so it's probably not worth taking any notice of.

basesix Saturday, 23 Sep 2023 at 09:28 am new

^^ interesting reads, udo

Jelly Flater Saturday, 23 Sep 2023 at 09:34 am new

;)

burleigh Saturday, 23 Sep 2023 at 10:06 am new

southernraw wrote:

udo wrote:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-23/views-of-voice-to-parliament-in-…

So reading every single one of these communities say that they would encourage change through the voice. Yet none of them are Burleighs 'proud Bunjalung man' mate, so it's probably not worth taking any notice of.

You need to do better than that

burleigh Saturday, 23 Sep 2023 at 10:07 am new
Reform Saturday, 23 Sep 2023 at 10:09 am new

overthefalls wrote:

Reform wrote:
overthefalls wrote:
indo-dreaming wrote:
overthefalls wrote:
AlfredWallace wrote:
waveman wrote:

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/indigenous/auditorgeneral-urged…

Waveman. Hi. Whats your motive here ? AW

Punching down

The article is totally relevant to the conversation.

Saying its punching down to post it is purely just deflection, and just bully type tactics to silence those that you dont agree with.

In what way is it relevant, Indo? Is one of your arguments that Aboriginal organisations cannot be trusted because of the potential for corruption? I thought that stuff occurred right across the political spectrum, regardless of race. As for your accusation of bullying, that’s laughable and misdirected. Waveman’s motive in posting a link to that article was clearly to discredit organisations run by Aboriginal people. Does one corrupt Aboriginal organisation make them all untrustworthy? You’re clutching at straws there, I reckon.

Hi OTF,

Nice take off mate on the rebound, smooth riding, no bumps, coast is well and truly clear setting up for the ride ahead, Yew!

Cheers, Reform. I hope I can do the same at Cloudbreak next week, but my past experiences there indicate that I’m more likely to live up to my namesake!

Cool OTF, You've earned it with your post and stance on this matter!
Haha, As Simon Anderson said of Sunset in an article back in 89-90. Just when you think you're into the wave - "Take an extra 3 strokes" (Or something of that nature). Good advice, it worked wonders for me.

Reform Saturday, 23 Sep 2023 at 10:15 am new

burleigh wrote:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CxgUygzMivS/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Are you ok Burleigh? I mean Really?? So dark man.. Look the sun is shining, Aboriginal people have suffered long enough! What do you reckon?
Its time to turn this whole concept around.
You and I can be a part of the change.
Get with it mate! You're not on the right path! Neither is Indo, just poor form! Or are you getting sponsored? Or what? I just don't understand you guys.

southernraw Saturday, 23 Sep 2023 at 10:24 am new

burleigh wrote:

southernraw wrote:
udo wrote:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-09-23/views-of-voice-to-parliament-in-…

So reading every single one of these communities say that they would encourage change through the voice. Yet none of them are Burleighs 'proud Bunjalung man' mate, so it's probably not worth taking any notice of.

You need to do better than that

But its true isnt it buttercup.
You're basing your whole no argument, and pages of it, on the decision of a mate, whos in your circle of friends, so most likely shares your same government paranoia.
Come on. You've been so vocal, whats your thoughs on the article? And dont go blamimg the media for this one.
What do you genuinely think about what these people have to say.

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