Jelly Flater wrote:

Let’s not get too carried away ay ;)

- plenty of vote noahs out there still seeking purpose in life…

https://www.instagram.com/p/CxRshoph-eW/

I mean this guy has to be burley right? Whoever he is he's an excellent example of rightwing sensibility... very balanced individual

harrycoopr wrote:

Jelly Flater wrote:

Let’s not get too carried away ay ;)

- plenty of vote noahs out there still seeking purpose in life…

https://www.instagram.com/p/CxRshoph-eW/

I mean this guy has to be burley right? Whoever he is he's an excellent example of rightwing sensibility... very balanced individual

You saw the yes campaigner spit on someone right? How low can you go?

burleigh wrote:

harrycoopr wrote:

Jelly Flater wrote:

Let’s not get too carried away ay ;)

- plenty of vote noahs out there still seeking purpose in life…

https://www.instagram.com/p/CxRshoph-eW/

I mean this guy has to be burley right? Whoever he is he's an excellent example of rightwing sensibility... very balanced individual

You saw the yes campaigner spit on someone right? How low can you go?

Should've shat on 'em

harrycoopr wrote:

burleigh wrote:

harrycoopr wrote:

Jelly Flater wrote:

Let’s not get too carried away ay ;)

- plenty of vote noahs out there still seeking purpose in life…

https://www.instagram.com/p/CxRshoph-eW/

I mean this guy has to be burley right? Whoever he is he's an excellent example of rightwing sensibility... very balanced individual

You saw the yes campaigner spit on someone right? How low can you go?

Should've shat on 'em

Even though you’re a deadset wanker. I did laugh out loud when I read this

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/20/indigenous-voice…. Coalition frontbencher condemns anti-voice rallies as ‘shameless’ attempt to push ‘extreme causes’ A senior Coalition frontbencher has warned fellow no voters against attending anti-voice rallies promoted by a pro-Kremlin activist, arguing the events are a “shameless” attempt to push “wacky and extreme causes”.

So sameaswas this rally you’re attending, these guys are your mob , yeah ? thought as much .

burleigh wrote:

harrycoopr wrote:

burleigh wrote:

harrycoopr wrote:

Jelly Flater wrote:

Let’s not get too carried away ay ;)

- plenty of vote noahs out there still seeking purpose in life…

https://www.instagram.com/p/CxRshoph-eW/

I mean this guy has to be burley right? Whoever he is he's an excellent example of rightwing sensibility... very balanced individual

You saw the yes campaigner spit on someone right? How low can you go?

Should've shat on 'em

Even though you’re a deadset wanker. I did laugh out loud when I read this

Thought u might... and why deadset wanker? Cos i call out the cruelty of the right? The lies and deceptions? The racism or unconscious discrimination stemming from colonial/imperial mindset... for trying to enlighten u burley?? Call me that again and I'll shit on u pal

Haha ;)
Shooter mcgavin… spokesman for the vote noahs

Shooter the pants shitter

Supafreak wrote:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/20/indigenous-voice…. Coalition frontbencher condemns anti-voice rallies as ‘shameless’ attempt to push ‘extreme causes’ A senior Coalition frontbencher has warned fellow no voters against attending anti-voice rallies promoted by a pro-Kremlin activist, arguing the events are a “shameless” attempt to push “wacky and extreme causes”.

Honestly as a No voter, im a little worried about these rallies, much of the media is likely to somehow paint it in a negative light and even if some group of crazy activist turn up and there is conflict, its unlikely those activist causing the conflict will be seen as the bad guys.

I dont trust the media, i didn't support the freedom rallies, but the media most of the time unfairly painted them in a bad light even when peaceful and then the Women rights rally was painted in an even worst light when others from both far left and fart right crashed it.

Only good that can come out of this rally is if the media actually show a number of Aboriginal sovereign citizens speakers etc to show people an aspect that they might not have seen and help show that not all aboriginal people support the voice.

I doubt rallies really convince anyone to vote one way or another, Id much prefer no voters stayed at home, better to talk to family and friends and just bring it up in casual conversation and encourage them to take a look at what these activist really want.

harrycoopr wrote:

burleigh wrote:

harrycoopr wrote:

burleigh wrote:

harrycoopr wrote:

Jelly Flater wrote:

Let’s not get too carried away ay ;)

- plenty of vote noahs out there still seeking purpose in life…

https://www.instagram.com/p/CxRshoph-eW/

I mean this guy has to be burley right? Whoever he is he's an excellent example of rightwing sensibility... very balanced individual

You saw the yes campaigner spit on someone right? How low can you go?

Should've shat on 'em

Even though you’re a deadset wanker. I did laugh out loud when I read this

Thought u might... and why deadset wanker? Cos i call out the cruelty of the right? The lies and deceptions? The racism or unconscious discrimination stemming from colonial/imperial mindset... for trying to enlighten u burley?? Call me that again and I'll shit on u pal

You're a deadset wanker xoxoxoxo

best get your grifter media mates to do real time streaming, ooops, I mean heavily edited content, just like during the good ole covid freedumb rallies then @info. Where’s Avi been lately anyways, you haven’t been singing his praises for months it seems

indo-dreaming wrote:

Supafreak wrote:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/20/indigenous-voice…. Coalition frontbencher condemns anti-voice rallies as ‘shameless’ attempt to push ‘extreme causes’ A senior Coalition frontbencher has warned fellow no voters against attending anti-voice rallies promoted by a pro-Kremlin activist, arguing the events are a “shameless” attempt to push “wacky and extreme causes”.

Honestly as a No voter, im a little worried about these rallies, much of the media is likely to somehow paint it in a negative light and even if some group of crazy activist turn up and there is conflict, its unlikely those activist causing the conflict will be seen as the bad guys.

I dont trust the media, i didn't support the freedom rallies, but the media most of the time unfairly painted them in a bad light even when peaceful and then the Women rights rally was painted in an even worst light when others from both far left and fart right crashed it.

Only good that can come out of this rally is if the media actually show a number of Aboriginal sovereign citizens speakers etc to show people an aspect that they might not have seen and help show that not all aboriginal people support the voice.

I doubt rallies really convince anyone to vote one way or another, Id much prefer no voters stayed at home, better to talk to family and friends and just bring it up in casual conversation and encourage them to take a look at what these activist really want.

@indo. You do realise that some of the sovereign citizen speakers you mentioned are the same that were found guilty of setting fire to old parliament house and using stand over tactics to women who run the tent embassy at parliament house , they do not have the support of the overwhelming majority of aboriginal elders even the ones in their own community. Duckduckgo or google shillingsworth jr and snr and see what comes up . Fark me they have an impressive cv .

GuySmiley wrote:

best get your grifter media mates to do real time streaming, ooops, I mean heavily edited content, just like during the good ole covid freedumb rallies then @info. Where’s Avi been lately anyways, you haven’t been singing his praises for months it seems

Pretty hard to edit a live stream like Rukshan did. I guess you didnt watch what went down and only like the condensed versions.

@burleigh , did you see rukshan’s live stream of the yes rallies ? No ? Neither did I . Funny that .

sameaswas wrote:

harrycoopr wrote:

sameaswas wrote:

harrycoopr wrote:

Had a nice surf... thought I'd check the day's offerings on here. Damn, still going in circles. Pointless engaging people who can't see reason... Well at least they understand now how the Constitution was written in the time of the White Australia Policy... how in '67 we voted in a ref to allow Aboriginal people to be counted as citizens and how, regardless of this refs outcome, the No boys on here will support the claims for Treaty and changing Australia Day.

harry you are wrong the 67 reffo was to give aborigines the right to vote and ergo by that fact they are recognised in the constitution.

Sorry mate yr wrong...

https://aiatsis.gov.au/explore/1967-referendum

i am old enuf to remember my parents being aghast when on our b.w. tv the reffo ad came on and they did'nt realise that abos could'nt vote in oz, we only been here 3mnths or so and i can remember the jubilation when over 90% of ppl voted yes and they and everybody else went out to celebrate in pub, footy clubs, rsl and working mens clubs...no bull, actually gettin emotional recalling it, happy days

it had nothing to do with the census, that is propaganda lies,

Another day and another offensive slur from the racist redneck dumbshit.
Stu and Ben, i see you've both been on this thread today, yet this doesn't raise an eyebrow???
This commenter has a history of using derogatory terms to describe people of colour. Disappointing to see nobody pulled this shit up. To partake in a thread in which people are using language like this is to be complicit in allowing it's use.
Oh and for sameaswas you dirty racist turd....here's an explanation for you...but i'm sure you already knew that. I hope the rainbow serpent finds you in your nightmares.

USAGE NOTE FOR ABO
Since Abo is simply a shortened form of Aborigine or Aboriginal, one could easily think that it is as neutral and inoffensive a term as Aussie is for an Australian. However, Abo is as highly offensive to Australian Aboriginal people as nigger is to African Americans in the United States.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/abo

@SR , when I read his comment I couldn’t believe he just blurted it out , I then thought about it and came to the conclusion that he’s a product of his environment and upbringing. Everyone has a story , this doesn’t excuse him , it’s just a sad case of ignorance . I doubt he would be willing to change.

Supafreak wrote:

indo-dreaming wrote:

Supafreak wrote:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2023/sep/20/indigenous-voice…. Coalition frontbencher condemns anti-voice rallies as ‘shameless’ attempt to push ‘extreme causes’ A senior Coalition frontbencher has warned fellow no voters against attending anti-voice rallies promoted by a pro-Kremlin activist, arguing the events are a “shameless” attempt to push “wacky and extreme causes”.

Honestly as a No voter, im a little worried about these rallies, much of the media is likely to somehow paint it in a negative light and even if some group of crazy activist turn up and there is conflict, its unlikely those activist causing the conflict will be seen as the bad guys.

I dont trust the media, i didn't support the freedom rallies, but the media most of the time unfairly painted them in a bad light even when peaceful and then the Women rights rally was painted in an even worst light when others from both far left and fart right crashed it.

Only good that can come out of this rally is if the media actually show a number of Aboriginal sovereign citizens speakers etc to show people an aspect that they might not have seen and help show that not all aboriginal people support the voice.

I doubt rallies really convince anyone to vote one way or another, Id much prefer no voters stayed at home, better to talk to family and friends and just bring it up in casual conversation and encourage them to take a look at what these activist really want.

@indo. You do realise that some of the sovereign citizen speakers you mentioned are the same that were found guilty of setting fire to old parliament house and using stand over tactics to women who run the tent embassy at parliament house , they do not have the support of the overwhelming majority of aboriginal elders even the ones in their own community. Duckduckgo or google shillingsworth jr and snr and see what comes up . Fark me they have an impressive cv .

Yeah i know who they are and what they are about, i still think its good for people to be exposed to their views and see that not all Aboriginal people agree and that there is a diverse range of different viewpoint's among Aboriginal people.

@indo , fark me you must be desperate to look to them for supporting your case . Arsonist , child abuser , stand over man .

Supafreak wrote:

@indo , fark me you must be desperate to look to them for supporting your case . Arsonist , child abuser , stand over man .

Stand over man? Hahahaha

southernraw wrote:

sameaswas wrote:

harrycoopr wrote:

sameaswas wrote:

harrycoopr wrote:

Had a nice surf... thought I'd check the day's offerings on here. Damn, still going in circles. Pointless engaging people who can't see reason... Well at least they understand now how the Constitution was written in the time of the White Australia Policy... how in '67 we voted in a ref to allow Aboriginal people to be counted as citizens and how, regardless of this refs outcome, the No boys on here will support the claims for Treaty and changing Australia Day.

harry you are wrong the 67 reffo was to give aborigines the right to vote and ergo by that fact they are recognised in the constitution.

Sorry mate yr wrong...

https://aiatsis.gov.au/explore/1967-referendum

i am old enuf to remember my parents being aghast when on our b.w. tv the reffo ad came on and they did'nt realise that abos could'nt vote in oz, we only been here 3mnths or so and i can remember the jubilation when over 90% of ppl voted yes and they and everybody else went out to celebrate in pub, footy clubs, rsl and working mens clubs...no bull, actually gettin emotional recalling it, happy days

it had nothing to do with the census, that is propaganda lies,

Another day and another offensive slur from the racist redneck dumbshit.

Stu and Ben, i see you've both been on this thread today, yet this doesn't raise an eyebrow???

This commenter has a history of using derogatory terms to describe people of colour. Disappointing to see nobody pulled this shit up. To partake in a thread in which people are using language like this is to be complicit in allowing it's use.

Oh and for sameaswas you dirty racist turd....here's an explanation for you...but i'm sure you already knew that. I hope the rainbow serpent finds you in your nightmares.

USAGE NOTE FOR ABO

Since Abo is simply a shortened form of Aborigine or Aboriginal, one could easily think that it is as neutral and inoffensive a term as Aussie is for an Australian. However, Abo is as highly offensive to Australian Aboriginal people as nigger is to African Americans in the United States.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/abo

I thought he was being ironic SR if thats the right term. But he is wrong on the facts... like most of the No boys on here

burleigh wrote:

Supafreak wrote:

@indo , fark me you must be desperate to look to them for supporting your case . Arsonist , child abuser , stand over man .

Stand over man? Hahahaha

@burleigh , maybe you can get your mate to ask the women at the tent embassy what they think of shillingsworth snr

Supafreak wrote:

@indo , fark me you must be desperate to look to them for supporting your case . Arsonist , child abuser , stand over man .

You seem to be missing my point, its not about whether i agree with their logic or character, but like i said, the only good thing i can see coming out of this rally is diversity of Aboriginal views being exposed to the public.

Like i said id much prefer they and other No voters stay at home.

BTW. Not sure if Snr has always been that way he use to be respected for his work over water rights and of course his art.

He became a “ lore “ unto himself

Message from the King & Queen : "Century to Blue Diamond...well played on a sticky wicket Sir!"

Had a chat with lady attending 100th birthday...
Said the Centurian Lady was devo about no message from Ye Olde Queen.

Apparently Aussies can summon new Queen & King to keep up Mummy's Tradition.
https://www.royal.uk/sites/default/files/documents/2023-06/NEW%20Birthd…

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-04/lore-enforcement-western-nsw-peo…

@burleigh , I know you love instagram, in this article if you can’t be bothered reading it at least scroll down to the instagram feed and although the footage is quick and only a few photos ( the woman explains why ) there are plenty of comments. https://www.smh.com.au/national/act/protesters-condemned-by-first-natio… ”It was intimidating as a young woman to have six men confront me. They scared me the way they threatened to ‘take me’ and to deal with us in ‘tribal ways’,” Ms House – a domestic violence survivor – told The Age and The Sydney Morning Herald this week.

One concession I will give the No camp is that the ref should've taken longer to occur up to the vote so that everyone could get up to speed and that it would have bipartisan support as there could be no opposition to it... clear up any lingering confusions. That said, of course Aboriginal people should be recognised in the country's Constitution as the original occupants AND allowed to have an ADVISORY body to parliament, however that may shape up and operate. Knowing something of blackfella politics it could take a while before it gets going with everyone on the same page. But like I said before YES keeps possibilities open... No just shuts it down until next time. "If not now when"? If not now... next time will come.

Yeah i hear ya SF and Harry. No offence to you blokes, and apologies if it came across that way.... just blatant racism makes my blood boil, especially in these fun times.
Obviously he's a troll, he's not as uneducated as he pretends to be.
Wow, 100 pages of this shit and still feels like we've gone backwards 10 steps from when it began.
Some ugly ugly stuff getting around at the moment, and i'm feeling embarassed to be an Australian.
As for the ones that get offended by the number of welcome to countries specifically at sporting events...it must be tiring getting reminded you're living on stolen land. Small price to pay for your white privilege i would have thought.

southernraw wrote:

As for the ones that get offended by the number of welcome to countries specifically at sporting events...it must be tiring getting reminded you're living on stolen land. Small price to pay for your white privilege i would have thought.

No surprise here, but you just don’t get it.

burleigh wrote:

southernraw wrote:

As for the ones that get offended by the number of welcome to countries specifically at sporting events...it must be tiring getting reminded you're living on stolen land. Small price to pay for your white privilege i would have thought.

No surprise here, but you just don’t get it.

Speaking of trolls..the guy that admitted yesterday he thrives on the conflict he finds here. Not really here for any actual deep conversations. Just trolling.
Don't get what?
I enjoy the welcome to countries. In a country where life is pretty free and easy, we get free sport on t.v, all we have to do is sit on our white arses, with no real threat to our existence, and we get to learn a bit about the local mob as they promote inclusiveness to their region, what is it i'm not getting Burleigh. Enlighten me.

USAGE NOTE FOR ABO
Since Abo is simply a shortened form of Aborigine or Aboriginal, one could easily think that it is as neutral and inoffensive a term as Aussie is for an Australian. However, Abo is as highly offensive to Australian Aboriginal people as nigger is to African Americans in the United States.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/abo
If its shortened to AB ...is that O.K. ?

Why be a dick about it Udo?

.

Austudy - Abstudy

Wow. Slow clap for finding your own little loophole.
Hope that brought you all the joy you thought it would.
So what are your thoughts on the language used by sameaswas, since you entered the discussion??

And do you understand why it's considered derogatory??
I'm baffled that people couldn't know why, and i'm sure you would Udo.

udo wrote:

Austudy - Abstudy

haha

always thought this sounded a little coarse

there's a pun in there somewhere

and as to welcome ceremonies etc...

I think they are actually well suited to big sporting events, especially afl

the problem lies in corporate capitalisation of such things and when they start popping up everywhere... or everyday!

catch a couple of qantas connecting qantas flights in one day and it feels quite nauseating, i want to rip a speaker out and shove it up alan joyce's...

listening and watching to abc has become quite painful too, its all just a bit over the top, now so mandatory and arbitrary its frivilous. its funny, my mate who's a big voice adocate, actually said this to me well before I even mentioned it

the old adage of 'less is more' has never been understood by the corporate dogs

a welcoming ceremony should be special - there's only one way to maintain that...

all this over the top-ness just gives clowns like sam newman the bullets and attention he so perversely craves

Best welcome to country ceremonies I’ve been to have been small, have been conducted by locals with connection to the area, and have been educational without being condescending or over the top.

udo wrote:

USAGE NOTE FOR ABO

Since Abo is simply a shortened form of Aborigine or Aboriginal, one could easily think that it is as neutral and inoffensive a term as Aussie is for an Australian. However, Abo is as highly offensive to Australian Aboriginal people as nigger is to African Americans in the United States.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/abo

If its shortened to AB ...is that O.K. ?

I wonder why it is viewed so bad, i guess its because of how it was often used in the past by some in a negative way, but it was also used in a non negative way.

I do have to say it makes me feel uncomfortable seeing or hearing someone use it.

Actually a few months back i was sitting down with a client having a cup of tea, a couple in their 60s, in no way rough, well educated fairly well off actually, and we were talking fishing and they were both telling a story of barra fishing in NT, and she kept using the word in a totally non negative way, but it still made me feel real uncomfortable i even felt like saying you know these days you shouldn't use that word its kinda offensive, but i also didn't want to offend my client..

I think he picked up on it as never used the word and always used Aboriginal, but it seemed like she had no idea at all it was offensive.

@ Indo,
Hi Indo,
I agree with your sentiments on this occasion.
Seems like is a topic that's got to be had, to a point! Because it is offensive to Aboriginal people and I also feel uncomfortable when people use it, but I always call them out saying they've overstepped the mark.
Its 2023 FFS! Of course they know its offensive but these people don't give a shit. People are ignorant and blindly step into the fold of complacency when it suits their selfish needs, turns me right off actually. Thanks for saying that, Vote Yes! cheers

I read the comment and, like ID, thought it was coarse, wouldn't be something I'd say myself, but didn't think too much about it. Live and let live, and all that.

Reading about it this morning is both illuminating and shows how much of a minefield language can be, particularly when words become loaded, as that one has. A few online sources say that it wasn't always derogatory but became that way when it was attached to racist attitudes.

Same word, different connotations.

Similar to the US experience I guess - and which I've mentioned before - like how 'colour' was offensive but is now an accepted descriptor ('person of colour'), and how 'Negro' was acceptable but now isn't.

It's a friggen minefield, especially for suburban folk who have few exchanges with FNP, and I can understand why some people rely on the intent clause - i.e the word doesn't matter, but the intent behind it does. I tend to lean that way myself but figure it's always good to learn, and anyway, here in Australia we don't have to dip far into our past to hear words used with rotten intent, so perhaps you can understand why the recipients shudder when they hear them in another scenario.

It may be naive but I long for the day when we can play with language in jest and any attached baggage is so far in the rearview mirror of history as to lose all its sting. Convicts, bogans, wogs, poms, rangas, abos - have I left anyone out? - all the colours of modern Australia.

Unfortunately we're not there yet so, save the ironic use above, I reckon it's best to refrain from it.

Thanks for that Stu. Good way of looking at it. Appreciate the thoughtful read on it.
Good post's by all this morning and agree with all the comments.
Syp, i agree on the Qantasfication of it etc. It devalues it and ties it to corporate interests and doesn't speak of very pure intentions. Maybe i'm wrong.
I don't watch much t.v anymore but flicked it on the other day and the amount of campaigning going on...i can see why it's grinding some peoples gears.
Almost makes you think it's structured to intentionally make people feel that.
Was this thing set up to fail from the start?
With such a long lead in and a chance to really get people divided... Makes one wonder.
Anyway, have a good day all.

truebluebasher wrote:

Message from the King & Queen : "Century to Blue Diamond...well played on a sticky wicket Sir!"

Had a chat with lady attending 100th birthday...

Said the Centurian Lady was devo about no message from Ye Olde Queen.

Apparently Aussies can summon new Queen & King to keep up Mummy's Tradition.

https://www.royal.uk/sites/default/files/documents/2023-06/NEW%20Birthd…

Hahaha. A sticky wet. Gold TBB. Cheers!

100th celebrations continue...You're Welcome!
Within Tribes runners with invitation message sticks were permitted entry
Sacred Sites require purification of uninitiated visitor so not to curse the local mob.
Depending how dangerous, pure or sacred the site or knowledge bank...
Just visiting / Entry / Talks is via a code or purification in the form of Welcome to Country.
Decontamination is for all outsiders via Smoking, casting sand or by bathing ceremony.

Many areas are off limits to viewing or visiting & require cleansing, debrief or secret oaths.
Wildlife Island Sanctuaries > Heard Is / Carnac Island / Cartier Island / Albatross Is / Dorre Is / Heart Is.
Wildlife Conservation > Point Nepean / Elliot Price Park
Dreamtime Caves
Sacred Islands > Wadjemup
Sacred Lands > Arnhem Land / Kakadu / Blue Hole / Kurtonitj
Sacred Monoliths > Uluru / Ikara-Wilpena
Sacred Lakes > Mungo-Mungo (Womens) Blue Hole + 'Ti' Tree Lakes
Waterfalls / Holes > Creation Stories
Sacred Mountains > Uluru, Tibrogargan, Beerwah,Coonowrin / Gariwerd / Kalkajaka / Wollumbin
Sacred Gorges > Bandilngan-Windjana
Military Secrets > Pine Gap / Swan Island / Woomera
Contaminated Sites > Wittenoom

Cubbie House > Stag Nights > Grand Pooh Bah Secret Handshake Chamber
Slumber Parties > Hens dos > CWA Scones Bake Off

https://www.loveexploring.com/gallerylist/91619/places-you-cant-visit-i…

1973 First recorded Welcome to Country was at Nimbin to allow uninitiated to enter Aquarius Festival.
1981 Bill Hayden was permitted entry to US Secret Knowledge Compound.

Past & New fees set by (Nat Assoc' Visual Arts)
Welcome to Country Prices...
Hi = Was $150 now $300
Welcome = $400 now $750
Smoking = $300 now $600 (Cleanse Evil Spirits)
Dance / Clap / Didgeridoo = $ 750 now $1,000
Elder = $800 now $1500
Mob = (Corps) $2,500 now $3,500
Peoples = (Govt ) $5,000 now $10,000
Year = (Govt Welcomes) $45,000 > ( Likely to double also)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12403329/Government-spent-45-0…

Supafreak wrote:

dangerously stupid post Supa. Don't go down this path

Supafreak wrote:

The same people walking for yes are the same ones that changed their profile picture to say fully vaccinated, then changed it again to "i stand with ukraine"

See where this is going Supa?