"state run security for a private multinational"

Maybe not fascist but certainly a corporatocracy and heading towards an authoritarian one.

I thought your answer would be similar to the above. I agree seismic testing is not ideal. Are you using a phone or computer to participate in this forum?
We live and take advantage of a technically advanced world. We can't stop producing gas etc until alternatives are found. Those alternatives no matter what they are will have a negative impact on the planet. Or do we rid ourselves of everything and live in caves and walk around barefoot?

Fair enough point oxrox.
Personally, i'd be happy to sacrifice all these comforts in a heartbeat.
Kinda stuck in the matrix at the moment and good luck living any semi comfortable stress free existence without the reliance on these devices...other than barefoot and caves ;-)
But your point is a worthwhile one.

oxrox wrote:

I thought your answer would be similar to the above. I agree seismic testing is not ideal. Are you using a phone or computer to participate in this forum?

We live and take advantage of a technically advanced world. We can't stop producing gas etc until alternatives are found. Those alternatives no matter what they are will have a negative impact on the planet. Or do we rid ourselves of everything and live in caves and walk around barefoot?

That’s quite reductionist and to be honest juvenile. No one disagrees that there must be mining and industry. There are energy needs. But to say that the current system and some industries can’t be changed for a fairer more equitable system without such a large environmental cost because of “yer phone, car & laptop’ is nonsense.

soggydog wrote:

What everyone one should be concerned with is the number of times our National and state security services have been used to the benefit of Woodside itself. From the Timor-Leste act of espionage to the intimidation and legal gagging of protesters in WA our security forces have been used against us and other nations on behalf of a multinational corporation. Where are we heading.

From UNSW Aust Human rights institute
Which states have criminalised protest and what forms of protest are criminalised?
Human rights organisations have been increasingly critical towards some Australian states over new legislation which seemingly targets environmental protests in the midst of a global climate crisis.

There are dozens of protest regulations across many states, with five (NSW, Queensland, South Australia, Tasmania and Victoria) introducing forms of anti-protest regulation most recently. South Australia's new laws, passed just last month, increase maximum fines from $750 to $50,000 along with potential jail time, and were prompted by disruption of an oil and gas conference by protestors in early May.

In the aftermath of protests which sought to block port operations and shut down economic action to draw attention to demands for climate action, the NSW Parliament passed legislation which could see protestors face up to a $22,000 fine and/or prison for a maximum of two years. The legislation targets individuals who block major roads and new tunnels and/or disrupt port operations in major ports such as Newcastle and Port Botany.

In 2022, Tasmania passed anti-protest laws by way of the Police Offences Amendment (Workplace Protection) Bill 2022 under the guise of protecting Tasmanian workers. Under these laws, any protestor who obstructs a workplace during protests could face up to 12 months in prison, the Human Rights Law Centre reported:

“…community member protesting the destruction of old growth forests on a forestry site could face a penalty of over $13,000 or 2 years in prison; and An organisation supporting members of the community to protest could be fined over $45,000.”

Similar laws were also passed in Victoria. Anti-logging protestors who “hinder, obstruct or interfere with timber-harvesting operations” can face up to 12 months in prison and/or a $21,000 fine. PVC and metal pipes which are often used in protest activities are now prohibited in working sites, with additional powers provided to police to search suspect individuals who are “reasonably suspicious”.

In 2019, on public safety grounds, Queensland passed legislation which bans locking devices as modes of civil disobedience. These are tactics used to make it difficult for police to remove protestors and are often used by protestors to lock themselves to property and pipelines to prevent construction of environmentally-harmful projects. Protestors face up to two years in prison and/or a $6,000 fine. It was rationalised on the basis of activists lacing devices with “butane canisters” and other devices which were harmful for law enforcement. However, there is no evidence of the use of these devices.

soggydog wrote:

oxrox wrote:

I thought your answer would be similar to the above. I agree seismic testing is not ideal. Are you using a phone or computer to participate in this forum?

We live and take advantage of a technically advanced world. We can't stop producing gas etc until alternatives are found. Those alternatives no matter what they are will have a negative impact on the planet. Or do we rid ourselves of everything and live in caves and walk around barefoot?

That’s quite reductionist and to be honest juvenile. No one disagrees that there must be mining and industry. There are energy needs. But to say that the current system and some industries can’t be changed for a fairer more equitable system without such a large environmental cost because of “yer phone, car & laptop’ is nonsense.

The environmental concerns were passed by the environmental authorities. A person stopping the project due to whale songlines 190kms out to see whilst that person is on land is a little far fetched. Sound travels through water long distances. I've spent a long time in the ocean and I cant hear whales 190kms out to sea.
My argument is where do we draw the line? I'm all for reducing environmental impacts.
It was also apparently ok'd by the local indigenous and was never mentioned as a concern for them. That one person has so much power is my concern.

Happy Queen’s/Monarch’s birthday.

A day to reflect, remember, appreciate and have gratitude for everything all peoples of Australia have all been equally given and blessed with, and more generally for everything humanity has been blessed with, by the British Empire, Monarchy and peoples and more generally by western civilisation.

peace and security
freedom and liberty
equal opportunity and rights
prosperity and quality of life
constitutional monarchy
liberal democracy
human rights
individual autonomy and self direction
parliamentary/representative democracy
market economy and economic development
rule of law
federalism
Westminster system
separation of powers
science, rationality and reason
Christianity
modern developed and advanced nations
multiculturalism and cultural pluralism
religious freedom and tolerance
equality under the law
constitutional neutrality
health and education
a belief in progress and development
freedom from oppression or subjugation by any kind of authority (political, religious, monarchical, etc)
freedom of thought, speech, debate and media

All of these things are shared equally by all in this great land.

Many of these things are now either ignored and taken for granted, or viewed with outright contempt and are trying to be eroded, dismantled and destroyed.

Many people in Australia are no longer grateful for many of these things, particularly today as the nation unfairly and inaccurately singles out and attacks the British Empire and western civilisation for its supposed historical sins as though they are our whole history and story and are far worse than any other peoples’ and civilisations’.

Much or indeed most of what is being said today about the British empire and the west is inaccurate and plain incorrect and untrue.

oxrox wrote:

soggydog wrote:

oxrox wrote:

I thought your answer would be similar to the above. I agree seismic testing is not ideal. Are you using a phone or computer to participate in this forum?

We live and take advantage of a technically advanced world. We can't stop producing gas etc until alternatives are found. Those alternatives no matter what they are will have a negative impact on the planet. Or do we rid ourselves of everything and live in caves and walk around barefoot?

That’s quite reductionist and to be honest juvenile. No one disagrees that there must be mining and industry. There are energy needs. But to say that the current system and some industries can’t be changed for a fairer more equitable system without such a large environmental cost because of “yer phone, car & laptop’ is nonsense.

That one person has so much power is my concern.

Who, the protester or the CEO of Woodside.

for many of us gsco, QEII/KCIII birthday is 2nd Monday in June.
1st Monday in October, down here, is the 8-hour work day one.
https://monumentaustralia.org.au/themes/culture/social/display/32235-ei…

‘ peace and security
freedom and liberty
equal opportunity and rights
prosperity and quality of life
constitutional monarchy
liberal democracy
human rights
individual autonomy and self direction
parliamentary/representative democracy
market economy and economic development
rule of law
federalism
Westminster system
separation of powers
science, rationality and reason
Christianity
modern developed and advanced nations
multiculturalism and cultural pluralism
religious freedom and tolerance
equality under the law
constitutional neutrality
health and education
a belief in progress and development
freedom from oppression or subjugation by any kind of authority (political, religious, monarchical, etc) ‘

… and genocide

soggydog wrote:

oxrox wrote:

soggydog wrote:

oxrox wrote:

I thought your answer would be similar to the above. I agree seismic testing is not ideal. Are you using a phone or computer to participate in this forum?

We live and take advantage of a technically advanced world. We can't stop producing gas etc until alternatives are found. Those alternatives no matter what they are will have a negative impact on the planet. Or do we rid ourselves of everything and live in caves and walk around barefoot?

That’s quite reductionist and to be honest juvenile. No one disagrees that there must be mining and industry. There are energy needs. But to say that the current system and some industries can’t be changed for a fairer more equitable system without such a large environmental cost because of “yer phone, car & laptop’ is nonsense.

That one person has so much power is my concern.

Who, the protester or the CEO of Woodside.

The protester obviously has power if she can shut the project down. I'm sure you knew who I was talking about.
So everyone's cool with what Noel Pearson said in the snippet above?

Ummmm........ :( :( :( ...Reference to Truganini short film.

oxrox wrote:

soggydog wrote:

oxrox wrote:

soggydog wrote:

oxrox wrote:

I thought your answer would be similar to the above. I agree seismic testing is not ideal. Are you using a phone or computer to participate in this forum?

We live and take advantage of a technically advanced world. We can't stop producing gas etc until alternatives are found. Those alternatives no matter what they are will have a negative impact on the planet. Or do we rid ourselves of everything and live in caves and walk around barefoot?

That’s quite reductionist and to be honest juvenile. No one disagrees that there must be mining and industry. There are energy needs. But to say that the current system and some industries can’t be changed for a fairer more equitable system without such a large environmental cost because of “yer phone, car & laptop’ is nonsense.

That one person has so much power is my concern.

Who, the protester or the CEO of Woodside.

The protester obviously has power if she can shut the project down. I'm sure you knew who I was talking about.

So everyone's cool with what Noel Pearson said in the snippet above?

Calling Dr Fernbuckle? I think weve got one!

Jeezus............ I'm bored already....... catch ya

oxrox wrote:

soggydog wrote:

oxrox wrote:

soggydog wrote:

oxrox wrote:

I thought your answer would be similar to the above. I agree seismic testing is not ideal. Are you using a phone or computer to participate in this forum?

We live and take advantage of a technically advanced world. We can't stop producing gas etc until alternatives are found. Those alternatives no matter what they are will have a negative impact on the planet. Or do we rid ourselves of everything and live in caves and walk around barefoot?

That’s quite reductionist and to be honest juvenile. No one disagrees that there must be mining and industry. There are energy needs. But to say that the current system and some industries can’t be changed for a fairer more equitable system without such a large environmental cost because of “yer phone, car & laptop’ is nonsense.

That one person has so much power is my concern.

Who, the protester or the CEO of Woodside.

The protester obviously has power if she can shut the project down. I'm sure you knew who I was talking about.

So everyone's cool with what Noel Pearson said in the snippet above?

And the CEO has the power in WA to have protesters physically intimidated and gagged. One got through and the project was halted legally in court. Who used the justice system in the most just way?

;)

Anyone interested in writing, Ursula K LeGuin's 5-page piece 'The Ones Who Walk Away From Omelas', super interesting style, dream-like, vague, specific, meta, self-aware, fableish, memoryish..

TBB's 'flibberty jib' Nordine jazz record brought it to mind, metaphor can be powerful when a thing is complicated, and 'Omelas' seems relevant to this thread..

https://shsdavisapes.pbworks.com/f/Omelas.pdf

V nice basesix

The cognitive dissonance being shown by some in the “No” campaign is astounding
There was something deeply sad about Garigarra Riley-Mundine’s brave and graceful intervention into the Voice referendum debate. Riley-Mundine, the daughter of leading “No” campaigner Warren Mundine, said her father’s actions went against what she was raised to see as “morally right”, saying she was hurt by his claim that the Uluru statement was a “symbolic declaration of war” – something Mundine must surely know to be false. “It hurt because I feel that the Uluru statement came from a place of unity,” said the Wiradjuri-Kamilaroi/Bundjalung-Yuin woman, who does not speak to her father much. “We’re not trying to take over anything; we are literally just asking for a Voice.” It was hard not to share in her pain over the CPAC comedian her father has repeatedly refused to condemn, who in a so-called joke referred to traditional owners as “violent black men”. Mundine, the chair of CPAC, “surely must have been hurt by those words”, his daughter opined, noting they hurt her heart as a Black woman. Does the racism coming from the “No” camp no longer hurt Mundine, a long-time Indigenous advocate, who still backs treaties and changing the date of Australia Day? Why does he feel the need to accept such jokes and excuse racist tweets, blaming the referendum for having “opened up the door” to this?
https://www.themonthly.com.au/the-politics/rachel-withers/2023/10/02/di…

oxrox wrote:

soggydog wrote:

oxrox wrote:

soggydog wrote:

oxrox wrote:

I thought your answer would be similar to the above. I agree seismic testing is not ideal. Are you using a phone or computer to participate in this forum?

We live and take advantage of a technically advanced world. We can't stop producing gas etc until alternatives are found. Those alternatives no matter what they are will have a negative impact on the planet. Or do we rid ourselves of everything and live in caves and walk around barefoot?

That’s quite reductionist and to be honest juvenile. No one disagrees that there must be mining and industry. There are energy needs. But to say that the current system and some industries can’t be changed for a fairer more equitable system without such a large environmental cost because of “yer phone, car & laptop’ is nonsense.

That one person has so much power is my concern.

Who, the protester or the CEO of Woodside.

The protester obviously has power if she can shut the project down. I'm sure you knew who I was talking about.

So everyone's cool with what Noel Pearson said in the snippet above?

Hey Oxy,
I thought I’d better reply to you without playing games, so I’ll start again to give my take on Noel Pearson’s address at the Press Club.
Regarding the above post video from Sky news. This passage was taken completely out of context, if you watch the full speech he gave you'll understand that the content has been fabricated by the people at Sky news deliberately to smear his character and to suck people in to watching their channel. Vulnerable, easily swayed people to get them to vote No in this campaign.
I don’t know what benefits they get from doing this, maybe its ratings to get viewers on their channel or they get donations from the LNP party. For sure they’re all in it together. And they aren’t a good bunch, so my advice is to be discerning as to what these nay sayers say and beware of their lies and deceit and bending of the truth.
What you are witnessing here in Noel Pearson is a great leader and Elder who is regarded by many people in Parliament, in the general community and from his own indigenous people in the highest regard. A man who speaks truth and from the heart. And we should be in awe that we can witness his presence and listen to his words of wisdom for they are profound! That he is alive within our lifetime, what a privilege for us, He’s a one off, not a oncer but a man who has unrelenting energy and is at the forefront of support not only for his own people, but for all of Multicultural Australia, He is progressive, fair and not just good but a rare and true great within our lifetime. I'm outa here.. Cheers

Garigarra Riley-Mundine can’t stay silent about her father, Warren, any longer.

Garigarra Riley-Mundine can’t stay silent about her father, Warren, any longer. @10NewsFirst pic.twitter.com/2ZDwgrLvx8

— Narelda Jacobs (@NareldaJacobs10) October 2, 2023

“Much or indeed most of what is being said today about the British empire and the west is inaccurate and plain incorrect and untrue.”

Imagine the bed wetting by you lot if this was reversed.

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@burleigh did you bother looking at the last 7 posts ?

Exactly. Check out 20:45 - 22.30 of bringing them home vid…

Was not liking this man last night, but has a good message.
Legend player and good bloke by all reports.
Vote Yes!

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/oct/02/indigenous-voice-to-parli…

oxrox wrote:

So everyone's cool with what Noel Pearson said?

You mean this video Udo posted yeah?

I cant believe this isn't getting attention in the media, he basically is trying to divide non indigenous Australian's into two groups white and anyone of colour and literally trying to pit them against each other all in a bid to try to get votes from people of colour.

Maybe its because i have a wife of colour but this really pisses me off what a low life piece of trash.

udo wrote:

Day 1 Postal Vote Review.

Wazza's [YES] daughter reaches out to Flip Flopping Darth Vader Dad to return from the Darkside
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12582219/Warren-Mundines-daugh…

No Camp can't work out why [YES] AFL / NRL Never Letter bombed the Final...
Albo was grooming winning NRL Captain to come out today...Yes! Yes! Yes!
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/oct/02/indigenous-voice-to-parli…

Given that Aussies paid $25 / Pamphlet & never got them on time.
Friday > by latest Today Monday was D Day for Dutto's mandated Voice Booklets
AEC Postal Votes can't wait & start without Dutto's Drop... 2 weeks prior to Reffo Day!

Instead...Voters were posted 2 lots of Postal Votes (Spare is for yer imaginary soggy dead LBGTQI Uncle!)

Day 1 ~ 35,000 [YES] Volunteers queued behind only [NO] Volunteer voter who took all day to Vote.

35,000 Votes cast today in Vic / Tas / NT / WA closed @ midday.
Postal Vote Rego Stats
2019 ~ 1.5m
2022 ~ 2.7m or (Day 1 / 2.3m)
Reffo ~ (11th Sept > Day 1 / 1.6m) 11th Oct ~ Postal Vote Closes
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-02/voice-referendum-voting-day-is-o…

AEC : How to cast a Postal Vote...ABC TV version.

[4:15] AEC : "2x Postal Votes are for 2x [yes/no] Voice Ballot instructions for 2 Envelopes...
Voters accidentally submit 2 postal Votes getting the details different on both applications...
If ya don't Know ...just Vote wrong Twice!"

[Yes] Voters in fear of their Lives can Vote Early.
Reclaiming Australia Bullies out on bail can Bully [Yes] Voters to Vote [NO] up until next Wed' cut off!
Glass towers deflect Voldemort's evil spells...[NO] Camp are frightened of bright shiny CBD Booths!
Murdoch is worried 'bout CBD uprising & now freely voicing his Courier Mail mouth piece.
https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/where-and-how-to-vote-on…

PM : "Toto, I have a feeling we're not in Yes 23 Rainbow Oz anymore!"
"Wotz all these foreboding [NO] Signs & these weird Indigenous [YES] Signs are in Chinese!"

Liberal Party Media are modelling their one & only Blue with Orange Sign [Vote NO to the Voice of DIVISION]
https://www.dailyliberal.com.au/story/8371293/early-polling-opens-as-re…

tbb feels like a dirty stinking Bully after dumping a [YES] Vote in a Newscorp Litter Tray.
Hodad [YES] Crew can Troll Vote the Fox Gromz site to Skyrocket a Newscorp [YES] Victory!
https://www.kidsnews.com.au/indigenous-news/what-happens-on-october-14-…

Bonus Election News
Kiwi Tassies can sing in Oz Voice + NZ Fed Election + Shock Tas State Poll
Can Vote [yes/no] 4 Wall 2 Wall Intercontinental ALP + Pay for an extra 40% Tas Pollies

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-10-02/tas-election-on-table-after-arch…
https://apnews.com/article/early-voting-new-zealand-australia-9e1bfd5ae…

Supafreak wrote:

The cognitive dissonance being shown by some in the “No” campaign is astounding

There was something deeply sad about Garigarra Riley-Mundine’s brave and graceful intervention into the Voice referendum debate. Riley-Mundine, the daughter of leading “No” campaigner Warren Mundine, said her father’s actions went against what she was raised to see as “morally right”, saying she was hurt by his claim that the Uluru statement was a “symbolic declaration of war” – something Mundine must surely know to be false. “It hurt because I feel that the Uluru statement came from a place of unity,” said the Wiradjuri-Kamilaroi/Bundjalung-Yuin woman, who does not speak to her father much. “We’re not trying to take over anything; we are literally just asking for a Voice.” It was hard not to share in her pain over the CPAC comedian her father has repeatedly refused to condemn, who in a so-called joke referred to traditional owners as “violent black men”. Mundine, the chair of CPAC, “surely must have been hurt by those words”, his daughter opined, noting they hurt her heart as a Black woman. Does the racism coming from the “No” camp no longer hurt Mundine, a long-time Indigenous advocate, who still backs treaties and changing the date of Australia Day? Why does he feel the need to accept such jokes and excuse racist tweets, blaming the referendum for having “opened up the door” to this?

https://www.themonthly.com.au/the-politics/rachel-withers/2023/10/02/di…

I really feel for Warren it must be heartbreaking to bring up a child thinking you have brought them up well and then for her to publicly disagree like this (same deal with Lidia thorpe and her father), ive seen photos of Warren and wider family supporting him though.

Even if she didnt share his stance, she shouldn't have gone public, im sure one day she will deeply regret doing so.

I think back to my teens and twenties and the stupid arguments i had with my parents as a brain dead leftie, some things i still remember that i really regret saying as were personal, i really cant believe how well my parents dealt with it looking back, they were so patient and i was so young dumb and naive.

The good news is me and my folks now agree on pretty much all aspects of politics which has actually brought us closer than ever..

“it must be heartbreaking to bring up a child thinking you have brought them up well and then for her to publicly disagree like this”

Wow, the authoritarianism and possibly sexism coming off this statement is pretty wild.

This whole Voice campaign in my opinion is just a shit show and has/is causing significant divide. My gut feeling tells me the people/ organisations/ backers of both the yes and no campaigners have hidden agendas and alterum motives.

The yes23 are allways saying the fnp want this voice to parliament this is a lie.
Pearson and marcia and all the other old activists have created this voice and have cajoled the rest along for their own power grab.
Everything they want is "in play" by the previous govt, and the voice mob have overseen the lack of education, dv, and all of the disease, poor nutrition and the corruption of childrens minds towards white ppl over their entire lives.
There mate jack thompson the breaker morant movie actor said at 98 garma festival ok for kids not to speak english and the voice architects agree with him and this reffo has woke ppl up to how bad it is, and marcia's mob have done bugger all in 40+yrs except cause trouble and allow antisocial behaviour to flourish.

swas- agree

@Andy M

“it must be heartbreaking to bring up a child thinking you have brought them up well and then for her to publicly disagree like this”(@Indo)

Wow, the authoritarianism and possibly sexism coming off this statement is pretty wild".

Yeah, like it must be heartbreaking to grow up in a Labor household with left leaning values thinking your father is a good man and then to watch him sell out those values, flip sides, and head a campaign at the behest of the minerals council, the IPA, and head up CPAC where he brushes off racist jokes about FNP and sells out the interests of his own people for his own political and financial interests and then have to muster the guts to publicly disagree with him. Must be heartbreaking for her.

Sameaswas "Pearson and marcia and all the other old activists have created this voice and have cajoled the rest along for their own power grab."

Power grab?
It is a non binding advisory body.
It has no fucking power.
Stop inventing bullshit to cover for your racism.

“I really feel for Warren it must be heartbreaking to bring up a child thinking you have brought them up well and then for her to publicly disagree like this”

Maybe she’s still pissed off with Warren for screwing around behind her mum’s back, on multiple occassions

By the way, I’m guessing you didn’t watch the full unedited clip where, a few seconds after Sky cut to the pommy muppet, Pearson actually continues with

“..we bring together indigenous peoples and their heritage with the British Heritage of this country and with this marvellous multicultural heritage that we have developed here in Australia. That is the dividend for all Australians we come to recognize all three stories of Australia…”

So far from being racist he’s being inclusive but once again you’ve taken the bait and you’ve been “hooked” on another pile of offal

Fliplid wrote:

“I really feel for Warren it must be heartbreaking to bring up a child thinking you have brought them up well and then for her to publicly disagree like this”

Maybe she’s still pissed off with Warren for screwing around behind her mum’s back, on multiple occassions

Argh okay so there is clearly much more to this then, that would make sense then..

Still sad though.

AndyM wrote:

“it must be heartbreaking to bring up a child thinking you have brought them up well and then for her to publicly disagree like this”

Wow, the authoritarianism and possibly sexism coming off this statement is pretty wild.

The way you try to twist shit is just fkn unbelievable, but very creative.

Its totally irrelevant if it was coming from a son or a daughter, no parent would want their child dissing them publicly, its not about controlling them, its about respect for each other and respect for family, it goes both ways a parent would never do that to a child publicly either, but if there is already a family fracture and other issues there as been suggested then yeah not so surprising.

BTW. You still havent addressed my question about PNG though have you?

I knew you wouldn't through because you are too gutless to even have a go, you are just all about one line trolls from the sideline.

Jeebus Indo that’s exactly how I read it. You have no self awareness.

Fliplid wrote:

By the way, I’m guessing you didn’t watch the full unedited clip where, a few seconds after Sky cut to the pommy muppet, Pearson actually continues with

“..we bring together indigenous peoples and their heritage with the British Heritage of this country and with this marvellous multicultural heritage that we have developed here in Australia. That is the dividend for all Australians we come to recognize all three stories of Australia…”

So far from being racist he’s being inclusive but once again you’ve taken the bait and you’ve been “hooked” on another pile of offal

It would be interesting to see the before and after, but from what you have just said, i cant see how that changes what he has said.

Indo
"Argh okay so there is clearly much more to this then, that would make sense then.."

Maybe you should do some of your "resurch" and look into what your hero Mundine's first wife has to say about him and his behavior toward his family.
He's a fucken grub.

Just resharing this legend.

adam12 wrote:

Indo

"Argh okay so there is clearly much more to this then, that would make sense then.."

Maybe you should do some of your "resurch" and look into what your hero Mundine's first wife has to say about him and his behavior toward his family.

He's a fucken grub.

And look who he married and his new father inlaw https://www.smh.com.au/national/shattered-lingering-pain-of-mundine-div…

adam12 wrote:

Indo

"Argh okay so there is clearly much more to this then, that would make sense then.."

Maybe you should do some of your "resurch" and look into what your hero Mundine's first wife has to say about him and his behavior toward his family.

He's a fucken grub.

Yeah because X partners are always such a reliable non bias honest source of info when providing info on their X partners .

"Yeah because X partners are always such a reliable non bias honest source of info when providing info on their X partners ."
Just go read what she has to say before you call her a liar.

@Indo She’s entitled to a different point of view to that of her old man. It’s not disrespectful. Given his public presence, it’s courageous.

I thought you supported strong women. I can only imagine what high praise you would have for her if she was publicly supporting her old man’s views. Hypocrite.

@indo: “It would be interesting to see the before and after, but from what you have just said, i cant see how that changes what he has said.”

Time stamp for the video indo is 41.50 to 43.55. 2 minutes of your life to compare what he actually said with the severely edited clip and vile, unhinged rant from the Sky video put up by Udo

“…because we can move to an Australia where the indigenous, the British descendants and the multicultural mob become one and we all know we’re Australians, there’s no priority among us, we’re all equally Australians and the settler native thing kind of retreats into history. It’ll be a great day when we do that, a great day for multicultural communities too because they’ll know unequivocally that they are Australians as much as the rest of us, as much as the white fellas from the United Kingdom and as much as the black fellas from Australia, the multicultural communities are Australians”

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seeds wrote:

Jeebus Indo that’s exactly how I read it. You have no self awareness.

Yep, I was expecting zero self-awareness as well.