southernraw wrote:

It's an easy way to degrade an argument when someone is showing genuine empathy for a minority group and is trying to push for constructive ideas that might benefit that group. Calling that person woke straight away undermines the goodwill that someone is showing and also kills off any momentum towards solutions. Lazy is an understatement. It's a sad sign of the times and it's the easiest way for individuals to withdraw and silence a discussion on a topic that they'll be loud and opinionated about but have little actual knowledge of.

And good to see the trash got taken out this morning. Good riddance.

it would seem giggles has been given a reprieve , I saw the red circles and thought the same but stu has had a change of heart , to be honest it would have been a bit rough but hopefully he gets the message .

southernraw wrote:

It's an easy way to degrade an argument when someone is showing genuine empathy for a minority group and is trying to push for constructive ideas that might benefit that group. Calling that person woke straight away undermines the goodwill that someone is showing and also kills off any momentum towards solutions. Lazy is an understatement. It's a sad sign of the times and it's the easiest way for individuals to withdraw and silence a discussion on a topic that they'll be loud and opinionated about but have little actual knowledge of.

And good to see the trash got taken out this morning. Good riddance.

True. But by the very same token, some people who reject typically woke answers, but do so from a sound intellectual position, rightfully bristle at being called racist or homophobe or transphobe or whatever.

The progressive left are often blithely ignorant of that.

As I get older I increasingly value collective responses over individual needs. The rise of the individual is closely traced to neoliberal values and the degradation of cultural values. We're a co-operative species, never in our history have individuals survived leave alone flourished, so we do away with co-operation and shared projects to our detriment.

Feels to me like some people want to keep fracturing culture and society into ever smaller constituent parts. On one hand people feel the need to do it to 'help minorities'. On the other hand it's just what Big Tech and the neolibs want us to do. Distil us down to individual units.

The other way? Treat all people fairly. Don't put anyone into a silo. If you believe in the nation state then let that be the lowest divisible category.

Religion thread get canned?

Back pages now Goofy.

goofyfoot wrote:

Religion thread get canned?

It's there, just not prominent on the homepage.

No, just not on the home page. Too much woke Vs anti-woke activity. Too many people Woking it into a frenzy. So much woke it became a joke.

Ya woking me?

stunet wrote:

southernraw wrote:

It's an easy way to degrade an argument when someone is showing genuine empathy for a minority group and is trying to push for constructive ideas that might benefit that group. Calling that person woke straight away undermines the goodwill that someone is showing and also kills off any momentum towards solutions. Lazy is an understatement. It's a sad sign of the times and it's the easiest way for individuals to withdraw and silence a discussion on a topic that they'll be loud and opinionated about but have little actual knowledge of.

And good to see the trash got taken out this morning. Good riddance.

True. But by the very same token, some people who reject typically woke answers, but do so from a sound intellectual position, rightfully bristle at being called racist or homophobe or transphobe or whatever.

The progressive left are often blithely ignorant of that.

As I get older I increasingly value collective responses over individual needs. The rise of the individual is closely traced to neoliberal values and the degradation of cultural values. We're a co-operative species, never in our history have individuals survived leave alone flourished, so we do away with co-operation and shared projects to our detriment.

Feels to me like some people want to keep fracturing culture and society into ever smaller constituent parts. On one hand people feel the need to do it to 'help minorities'. On the other hand it's just what Big Tech and the neolibs want us to do. Distil us down to individual units.

The other way? Treat all people fairly. Don't put anyone into a silo. If you believe in the nation state then let that be the lowest divisible category.

Yup pretty wise words there and guilty on many fronts. I guess when we get affronted with a negative rejecttion of what we believe are good intentions, we can tend to bristle and a resultant retaliatory attack results. I guess thats the key. Managing those bloody emotions...the monsters that they can be.

I'm totally cool with being an Ewok.

stunet wrote:

I'm totally cool with being an Ewok.

Is that when you use electronic means to establish your position on woke? As in “ his social media is E-woke”.
Or is it being short and fury and involved in rebellion.

Island Bay wrote:

What do you suggest instead, Stu? Yes, it's a bit annoying, but in its defence nobody is in doubt what you mean.

Yep with just one word you can get the jist of things that otherwise would need a whole paragraph to explain.

;)

- probly depends on whether you're spreading 'woke' disinformation
... or just making shit up (even if its 'information based' of course)

;);)

The irony is, that word managed to wipe away a discussion about what was a brilliant paper.
Accused of being woke and Amerucan, was actually an academic paper based on sit down with an indigenous fella.As in first hand account.
Go figure.

yeh, she cray cray, hey? cute that she looks like ricky gervais' Derek in the thumbnail though ^.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-29/fact-check-mabo-decision-high-co…

("Private property held under freehold title, such as your house and backyard, has already had any native title extinguished under Australian law.

Native title claims can only be made on Crown land, though this land may be covered by a pastoral lease or other interests that are deemed by law to prevail over native title.

But even in the case of pastoral leases, the High Court's 1996 Wik decision found that the rights of pastoralists and native title holders can co-exist, and that when they are in conflict, the rights of the leaseholder prevail over those of the native title holder.")

Urgh...that videos a little too much before my second morning coffee.

udo wrote:

64% of oz agree with pauline, the n.t. election is proof(?).

Netive titje means that b4 any development it MUST be given approval by the aboriginal owners
So the developers do a deal and have the ok and it's confidential??
There are "deals" done where neighbouring mobs contest the validity of the "process" and it creates division and animosity.
Fnp canberra ruleing elite are demanding $$$ % of profits for the mob only,

This is not closeing the gap it is divisive and devious.

stunet wrote:

ashsam wrote:

southernraw wrote:

@ashsam this is worth a read to get a different perspective.

https://anthrosource.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/amet.13223

lol ;) American??

Wokeness at it's best not surprised ;)

https://anthrosource.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/amet.13194

Just don't say 'woke'. It's the dumbest of dumb epithets. It's always painted the speaker as an idiot, and frankly, it's testing my patience.

Hi stu this woke word and meaning allways baffled me? untill a few years ago and it is coz of swellnut that i eventually figured it out.
And a week ago i saw it explained in a brilliant way...here it is...

Quote: "wokeness":-refers to a contempory ideology rooted in critical theory, race, and identity politics, often infused with elements of marxism, which emphasises a hierarchial view of victimhood and collective identity.
This ideology tends to prioritize group identities over individual agency, leading to an over emphasis on identity categories such as race, gender, and sexual orientation.
Critics argue that "wokeness" fosters a culture of victimhood, promotes intollerance towards differing points of view (commonly known as "cancel culture") and undermines the principles of meritocracy.
Furthermore it is often associted with policies and practices that prioritize diversity over qualifications, potentially leading to reverse discrimination and the devaluation of excellence and achievement."...unquote.

Don't know who said it, however you being in the media now you know it's meaning, relevance please inform your colleagues and peers.

P.S. good on u stu for swellnet and it's free speach platform and the civil discourse of all topics that you try to mediate,
Cheers.

Yeah nah. Native Title wasn’t an issue voters were concerned about.
Crime, housing crisis, health system and domestic violence amongst others were the issues.
Didn’t read or hear anything about Native Title

;)

seeds wrote:

Yeah nah. Native Title wasn’t an issue voters were concerned about.

Crime, housing crisis, health system and domestic violence amongst others were the issues.

Didn’t read or hear anything about Native Title

Wrong seeds, native title was a big part of it and i mentioned d.v. about13mnths back on this forum and recieved an abusive denial of said statement by a current swellnutter who now says nothing when it's mentioned.
The fnp ruleing elite have been in denial about d.v. it's the voice of 12mnths campaign that woke ppl up to the institutionlised corruption of othe"aboriginal industrial corporation"and the secrecy of it's shenanikens.
Oh and 64% of pop agree with me...no offence meant the voice reffo proves it.

Jelly Flater wrote:

;)

Jelly will watch later, however the title refering to changeing ones mind happened to me 30yrs ago.....

I was on a construction site in vicco about 1985? and the wharfies were on strike, patrick stevedores, and jeff kennet was premier, i hated him personally and the liberals.
I believed labor was for workers and libs bad.
One day hutted up (rain) and in paper an interview with jeff about the long ongoing wharf picket and he said how the day b4 he was approached by patrick who was peeved off with m.u.a. as was jeff and he asked for the premier to order the riot police to forcibly break the picket line.
This is no bull, and jeff immediately refused and said it is not for a govt to instruct it's police to take sides in a peacefull protest, or words to that effect and patrick must resolve through the industrial courtss etc...true story.
My opinion of him changed from contempt to respect, i still voted labour at elections though, ha!

Then covid happened and despot dan ordered his riot mob to fire rubber bullets as the crowd was leaving and the voice reffo labor debacle.
Never vote labor again nothing but a bunch of fakes and orwellian attitude and everyone i know who were labor...not no more.

Give us some proof Native Title was a big part of it. Any links?

sameaswas wrote:

udo wrote:

64% of oz agree with pauline, the n.t. election is proof(?).

Netive titje means that b4 any development it MUST be given approval by the aboriginal owners

So the developers do a deal and have the ok and it's confidential??

There are "deals" done where neighbouring mobs contest the validity of the "process" and it creates division and animosity.

Fnp canberra ruleing elite are demanding $$$ % of profits for the mob only,

This is not closeing the gap it is divisive and devious.

I"m guessing the swellnutter you mentioned above might be me @sameaswas? The reason i haven't gone down that road is it takes away from what i've said all along is the bigger issue of what came before the DV, that being the trauma. This thread was created to discuss if, what and how to make reparations for that past trauma. That's where my interest in the topic lays.
I actually agree with some of this particular post. Money will create division. Throwing money at a problem will never fix it and can only create more problems.
What i'm interested in, and what was a key part of the whole Voice campaign, was the education sector and finding a way that is more suitable and valid to teach young indigenous kids. Currently the only real option is the education system that we all went through, that caters to a Western ideology, and assumes the kids learning through it are from that Western outlook. But it's clearly not the case with young aboriginal kids and it clearly isn't working. The trauma i mentioned above is interwoven throughout the daily, monthly and yearly learnings and it can only build up another layer of resentment and alienation.
Anyway, cheers. Hope that clears up my perspective and where i'm coming from on it.

southernraw wrote:

sameaswas wrote:

udo wrote:

64% of oz agree with pauline, the n.t. election is proof(?).

Netive titje means that b4 any development it MUST be given approval by the aboriginal owners

So the developers do a deal and have the ok and it's confidential??

There are "deals" done where neighbouring mobs contest the validity of the "process" and it creates division and animosity.

Fnp canberra ruleing elite are demanding $$$ % of profits for the mob only,

This is not closeing the gap it is divisive and devious.

Currently the only real option is the education system that we all went through, that caters to a Western ideology, and assumes the kids learning through it are from that Western outlook. But it's clearly not the case with young aboriginal kids and it clearly isn't working.

Western ideology?

Then why is it that those from many Asian countries (generally India, & Chinese) are actually the most successful in education systems in pretty much all western countries.

It's not that they are genetically smarter it's that they have a culture where they value education highly and have high levels of discipline and work ethic.

You will see the same pattern in low incarceration rates and low rates of fatherlessness in these communities, even among recent immigrants with lower incomes etc

The whole tiger mum thing is real, im married to one.

Sorry Indo. With all due respect, i don't see any point discussing anything with you on this topic. I thought we'd already reached that agreement? In your words....'there's no point going over and over this'.
So might just leave it at that.
Maybe spend more time with your tiger mum than you do online.

Indo
I’d say that is, in essence, the western ideology.
They are racing right along with us these days with the same ideals.
And your comments are highly racist.

- noinfo peter on the prowl again ;)

I'm trying to be polite and respectful on these forums to all but fark me, this 'gerbil' as so eloquently and perfectly put by JF just keeps asking for it.

Getting in ahead of it here.

Southernraw: If you don't want to reply then don't reply. It really is as simple as that.
Seeds: Not sure why the leap to calling someone racist - it should be the very last resort. Also not sure how you've deduced him to be racist from that statement. The elements that ID pointed out are differences between one culture and another, and the same thing can be said via statistics. Are they racist?
JF: Stop the nonsense trolling videos.

Jelly Flater wrote:

- noinfo peter on the prowl again ;)

haha and this. Exactly!!

Yeah fair enough Stu, however, like i said, it was in his words 'no point us going over the same old ground' ...which makes me wonder why he dropped in ...to go over the same old ground, if not to just bombard another thread with his wisdom.
Anyway, no worries. Let the protected one at it. No skin off my back.

“You will see the same pattern in low incarceration rates and low rates of fatherlessness in these communities, even among recent immigrants with lower incomes etc”

Sounds pretty racist to me. Implying?
Sounds like what I heard growing up.
Useless …. Good for nothing. Don’t want to work. Belong in jail.

seeds wrote:

Indo

I’d say that is, in essence, the western ideology.

They are racing right along with us these days with the same ideals.

And your comments are highly racist.

The point is thats it's not a western ideology, and its not an Asian or Eastern ideology either, i mean valuing education isn't really an ideology.

And just because you dont like certain points doesn't make them racist, the stats showing differences in achievements of different groups or incarceration rates or rates of fatherliness etc are very real.

Many will debate this is about income etc giving a social advantage to some extent this can be true, and is a little bit chicken or egg.

But we also do see that certain immigrant groups that settle in developed countries still achieve at high levels even when they come from very poor disadvantaged backgrounds in the country they left. (of course we are talking generally speaking or overall)

Much of this and things like cultures not being equal has all been talked about by many great minds people like Jordan Peterson or Konstan kitin etc

Anyway i will try to leave it there and step away from this conversation as just wanted to make the point.

;)

southernraw wrote:

sameaswas wrote:

udo wrote:

64% of oz agree with pauline, the n.t. election is proof(?).

Netive titje means that b4 any development it MUST be given approval by the aboriginal owners

So the developers do a deal and have the ok and it's confidential??

There are "deals" done where neighbouring mobs contest the validity of the "process" and it creates division and animosity.

Fnp canberra ruleing elite are demanding $$$ % of profits for the mob only,

This is not closeing the gap it is divisive and devious.

I"m guessing the swellnutter you mentioned above might be me @sameaswas? The reason i haven't gone down that road is it takes away from what i've said all along is the bigger issue of what came before the DV, that being the trauma. This thread was created to discuss if, what and how to make reparations for that past trauma. That's where my interest in the topic lays.

I actually agree with some of this particular post. Money will create division. Throwing money at a problem will never fix it and can only create more problems.

What i'm interested in, and what was a key part of the whole Voice campaign, was the education sector and finding a way that is more suitable and valid to teach young indigenous kids. Currently the only real option is the education system that we all went through, that caters to a Western ideology, and assumes the kids learning through it are from that Western outlook. But it's clearly not the case with young aboriginal kids and it clearly isn't working. The trauma i mentioned above is interwoven throughout the daily, monthly and yearly learnings and it can only build up another layer of resentment and alienation.

Anyway, cheers. Hope that clears up my perspective and where i'm coming from on it.

Thanks southern i agree with your sentiments, education as jacinta price talks about, past present and future.

We want an answer to why and how we came to such state and wheres damoney gone?

The whole system needs a shake up especially the old canberra tent city angry bitter warped and twisted mob...please retire, they are the problem not the solution.

sameaswas wrote:

southernraw wrote:

sameaswas wrote:

udo wrote:

64% of oz agree with pauline, the n.t. election is proof(?).

Netive titje means that b4 any development it MUST be given approval by the aboriginal owners

So the developers do a deal and have the ok and it's confidential??

There are "deals" done where neighbouring mobs contest the validity of the "process" and it creates division and animosity.

Fnp canberra ruleing elite are demanding $$$ % of profits for the mob only,

This is not closeing the gap it is divisive and devious.

I"m guessing the swellnutter you mentioned above might be me @sameaswas? The reason i haven't gone down that road is it takes away from what i've said all along is the bigger issue of what came before the DV, that being the trauma. This thread was created to discuss if, what and how to make reparations for that past trauma. That's where my interest in the topic lays.

I actually agree with some of this particular post. Money will create division. Throwing money at a problem will never fix it and can only create more problems.

What i'm interested in, and what was a key part of the whole Voice campaign, was the education sector and finding a way that is more suitable and valid to teach young indigenous kids. Currently the only real option is the education system that we all went through, that caters to a Western ideology, and assumes the kids learning through it are from that Western outlook. But it's clearly not the case with young aboriginal kids and it clearly isn't working. The trauma i mentioned above is interwoven throughout the daily, monthly and yearly learnings and it can only build up another layer of resentment and alienation.

Anyway, cheers. Hope that clears up my perspective and where i'm coming from on it.

Thanks southern i agree with your sentiments, education as jacinta price talks about, past present and future.

We want an answer to why and how we came to such state and wheres damoney gone?

The whole system needs a shake up especially the old canberra tent city angry bitter warped and twisted mob...please retire, they are the problem not the solution.

haha i see what you did there
Clearly we are not on the same page, not even reading from the same book.
Wishing you well all the same. You probably need it more than most.

southernraw wrote:

sameaswas wrote:

southernraw wrote:

sameaswas wrote:

udo wrote:

64% of oz agree with pauline, the n.t. election is proof(?).

Wow...true to form insult and put down in last sentence.

Netive titje means that b4 any development it MUST be given approval by the aboriginal owners

So the developers do a deal and have the ok and it's confidential??

There are "deals" done where neighbouring mobs contest the validity of the "process" and it creates division and animosity.

Fnp canberra ruleing elite are demanding $$$ % of profits for the mob only,

This is not closeing the gap it is divisive and devious.

I"m guessing the swellnutter you mentioned above might be me @sameaswas? The reason i haven't gone down that road is it takes away from what i've said all along is the bigger issue of what came before the DV, that being the trauma. This thread was created to discuss if, what and how to make reparations for that past trauma. That's where my interest in the topic lays.

I actually agree with some of this particular post. Money will create division. Throwing money at a problem will never fix it and can only create more problems.

What i'm interested in, and what was a key part of the whole Voice campaign, was the education sector and finding a way that is more suitable and valid to teach young indigenous kids. Currently the only real option is the education system that we all went through, that caters to a Western ideology, and assumes the kids learning through it are from that Western outlook. But it's clearly not the case with young aboriginal kids and it clearly isn't working. The trauma i mentioned above is interwoven throughout the daily, monthly and yearly learnings and it can only build up another layer of resentment and alienation.

Anyway, cheers. Hope that clears up my perspective and where i'm coming from on it.

Thanks southern i agree with your sentiments, education as jacinta price talks about, past present and future.

We want an answer to why and how we came to such state and wheres damoney gone?

The whole system needs a shake up especially the old canberra tent city angry bitter warped and twisted mob...please retire, they are the problem not the solution.

haha i see what you did there

Clearly we are not on the same page, not even reading from the same book.

Wishing you well all the same. You probably need it more than most.

sameaswas wrote:

southernraw wrote:

sameaswas wrote:

southernraw wrote:

sameaswas wrote:

udo wrote:

64% of oz agree with pauline, the n.t. election is proof(?).

Wow...true to form insult and put down in last sentence.

Netive titje means that b4 any development it MUST be given approval by the aboriginal owners

So the developers do a deal and have the ok and it's confidential??

There are "deals" done where neighbouring mobs contest the validity of the "process" and it creates division and animosity.

Fnp canberra ruleing elite are demanding $$$ % of profits for the mob only,

This is not closeing the gap it is divisive and devious.

I"m guessing the swellnutter you mentioned above might be me @sameaswas? The reason i haven't gone down that road is it takes away from what i've said all along is the bigger issue of what came before the DV, that being the trauma. This thread was created to discuss if, what and how to make reparations for that past trauma. That's where my interest in the topic lays.

I actually agree with some of this particular post. Money will create division. Throwing money at a problem will never fix it and can only create more problems.

What i'm interested in, and what was a key part of the whole Voice campaign, was the education sector and finding a way that is more suitable and valid to teach young indigenous kids. Currently the only real option is the education system that we all went through, that caters to a Western ideology, and assumes the kids learning through it are from that Western outlook. But it's clearly not the case with young aboriginal kids and it clearly isn't working. The trauma i mentioned above is interwoven throughout the daily, monthly and yearly learnings and it can only build up another layer of resentment and alienation.

Anyway, cheers. Hope that clears up my perspective and where i'm coming from on it.

Thanks southern i agree with your sentiments, education as jacinta price talks about, past present and future.

We want an answer to why and how we came to such state and wheres damoney gone?

The whole system needs a shake up especially the old canberra tent city angry bitter warped and twisted mob...please retire, they are the problem not the solution.

haha i see what you did there

Clearly we are not on the same page, not even reading from the same book.

Wishing you well all the same. You probably need it more than most.

yes...and??

southernraw wrote:

sameaswas wrote:

southernraw wrote:

sameaswas wrote:

southernraw wrote:

sameaswas wrote:

udo wrote:

64% of oz agree with pauline, the n.t. election is proof(?).

Wow...true to form insult and put down in last sentence.

Netive titje means that b4 any development it MUST be given approval by the aboriginal owners

So the developers do a deal and have the ok and it's confidential??

There are "deals" done where neighbouring mobs contest the validity of the "process" and it creates division and animosity.

Fnp canberra ruleing elite are demanding $$$ % of profits for the mob only,

This is not closeing the gap it is divisive and devious.

I"m guessing the swellnutter you mentioned above might be me @sameaswas? The reason i haven't gone down that road is it takes away from what i've said all along is the bigger issue of what came before the DV, that being the trauma. This thread was created to discuss if, what and how to make reparations for that past trauma. That's where my interest in the topic lays.

I actually agree with some of this particular post. Money will create division. Throwing money at a problem will never fix it and can only create more problems.

What i'm interested in, and what was a key part of the whole Voice campaign, was the education sector and finding a way that is more suitable and valid to teach young indigenous kids. Currently the only real option is the education system that we all went through, that caters to a Western ideology, and assumes the kids learning through it are from that Western outlook. But it's clearly not the case with young aboriginal kids and it clearly isn't working. The trauma i mentioned above is interwoven throughout the daily, monthly and yearly learnings and it can only build up another layer of resentment and alienation.

Anyway, cheers. Hope that clears up my perspective and where i'm coming from on it.

Thanks southern i agree with your sentiments, education as jacinta price talks about, past present and future.

We want an answer to why and how we came to such state and wheres damoney gone?

The whole system needs a shake up especially the old canberra tent city angry bitter warped and twisted mob...please retire, they are the problem not the solution.

haha i see what you did there

Clearly we are not on the same page, not even reading from the same book.

Wishing you well all the same. You probably need it more than most.

yes...and??

Apologies had one typed ut lost it....computer say no!

I remember...it was " to be expected, a put down and insult, naughty you.

I don't really understand your motivations @sameaswas.
To be honest, i think you're actually just here to stir the pot more than anything. Why, i'm not sure.
Anyway if you are actually serious, putting this line "specially the old canberra tent city angry bitter warped and twisted mob...please retire, they are the problem not the solution" is not going to endear yourself into any respectful debate with me. Which i'm sure you know.
So actually, naughty you. tut tut.

No respectable discussion from this end. either.

I simply don’t understand this reiteration of the same old ,,,,,,, blah,,,,, blah,,,,,,blah, find a job , stop drinking alcohol etc.

Look inside yourself and understand why these people are in this predicament.

Stop looking at it through rose coloured glasses. Drives me nuts.

But if you want to write reams of dialogue, go ahead, I’ll bore you with info and get RSI in my right arm and an elevated retina. Couldn’t be bothered really. AW

AlfredWallace wrote:

No respectable discussion from this end. either.

I simply don’t understand this reiteration of the same old ,,,,,,, blah,,,,, blah,,,,,,blah, find a job , stop drinking alcohol etc.

Look inside yourself and understand why these people are in this predicament.

Stop looking at it through rose coloured glasses. Drives me nuts.

But if you want to write reams of dialogue, go ahead, I’ll bore you with info and get RSI in my right arm and an elevated retina. Couldn’t be bothered really. AW

Alfred i am not saying that, get a job etc.

We have had 40+yrs of the tent city activists running the show and it's worse than ever.

The 2 colleges being built for fnp in remote communities brilliant idea there was 3 planned and given approval by the previous govt and labor canned one when they took over...?

The biggest employer in the cntry is govt (or second?) and that includes n.g.o's .the last thing these ppl want is an audit on monies allocated to all things related to the fnp.

And how many swellnutters or their partners are on this fnp gravy train? and claim the high moral ground?

And me a troll? talk about the pot calling the kettle black...oops!

Southern i want change and improvement, out with the old "activists" and some new.

Hey @sameaswas.
I understand your sentiments are in the right place, but where we differ is in the cause and effect argument. We're dealing with the effects without confronting the cause and dealing with that first.
You're creating, whether naively or purposefully a circular argument, in which the only solution is still a top down Westminster approach that keeps indigenous affairs as on a leash so to speak. 200years and in some ways things couldn't be worse.
I think you have to take a step back from comparing what 'they' get compared to 'us' and see a bigger picture drawn out over a bigger time frame and look at how we can address the same systemic problems that are in place that have kept a divide in place.
When i talk about education i'm talking about the proposition during the Voice referendum of a central body run by the indigenous leaders that was to cater for indigenous kids in a way that is different to the current model that enforces our way onto them. That's probably where we differ but i get you want to see good results for all regardless, and i respect that.
Maybe i'm too idealistic and your way of seeing things is more pragmatic, but i see unfairness and inequality in this space, and it's something that i feel at the very least needs to be acknowledged.
Thanks.

btw i wish i could find it but there was a great doco i watched once on taking kids from government schooling and putting them through a more traditional way of learning through their own culture and incorporating the English schooling into their learning this way. It was super successful, and anything that brings these young kids back closer to their cultural roots seems to be a huge success. I think eliminating that alienation and tying them back their sense of belonging is a huge psychological factor. There was also a program where young troubled indigenous kids were taken out bush and taken back to their traditional roots. Again, hugely successful. So the proof is there. Wish i could find where i saw it. I'll try.
If you havent seen the movie 'In my blood it runs' ..i think that's the title, it's a great watch and i'd highly recommend finding a way to watch it for a different perspective. It goes down that road a little bit too.
Just looked up the movie. Heres a link to it if you've got Netflix @sameaswas
https://www.netflix.com/search?q=in%20my%20blood%20it%20runs&jbv=814651…

@sameaswas wrote "Southern i want change and improvement, out with the old "activists" and some "
Me and you both mate, but unfortunately 64% of Australians voted against that change, yourself included.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-08-28/balgo-indigenous-community-battl…