indo-dreaming wrote:

Yes im on a spectrum, so when i cling onto a topic, i get obsessed with it and learn more about it than the average person and no this is not by just goggling something.

No, you raging gobshite. You don't learn more than the average person, you THINK you learn more than the average person, and therein lies your problem. Well, one of them.

Slow clap directed at adam12 for taking the the time to comprehensively dress down this gormless boob.

https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/the-truth-of-the-matter/id2148869…

Good interview with a former US State Dept economist on tariff strategies, efficacy, limitations and impacts.

Didn’t realise that 92% of the revenue raised in the Trump 1.0 tariff game ended up being paid out to US agricultural sector as compensation for lost income from reciprocal tariffs applied by the PRC.

Anyway, worth a listen.

Musk and his phoney D O G E , are blocked from accessing private data from the treasury department, with a temporary injunction order
from a DC judge.
Trump now paying the price for releasing all
Jan 6 insurrectionists at the great disapproval of most judges. especially the ones who tried and convicted the Jan 6 rioters.
Trump now lost 7 -0 on legal cases filed.

Hiccups wrote:

indo-dreaming wrote:

Yes im on a spectrum, so when i cling onto a topic, i get obsessed with it and learn more about it than the average person and no this is not by just goggling something.

No, you raging gobshite. You don't learn more than the average person, you THINK you learn more than the average person, and therein lies your problem. Well, one of them.

Slow clap directed at adam12 for taking the the time to comprehensively dress down this gormless boob.

I will post it again below so not lost on the last page, so much of what he says is outdated and no longer even debated, yes he may have learnt this in the 70s , but that was 50 years ago historians and archaeologist know much more now, science and DNA has advanced hugely, his thought's have been debunked and are outdated and ironically based on religion writings.

But hey you keep hating and trolling mate, it's what you do best, actually it's all you do.

indo-dreaming][quote=adam12][quote=indo-dreaming][quote=adam12 wrote:

indo-dreaming wrote:

adam12 wrote:

@Indo,

.

No surprise you can't keep off these forums.

It's your life's work.

Here's a great example of why you are a psychopath

"In regard to why i support our Israel, Israeli's and the Jewish people who are constantly under attack from Jihadist groups and why i became more interested after 7th October that should be obvious, its the same reason the majority support Israel."

First up "our Israel",

Yours is it?

What a fkn weird thing to say.

For a goyim.

Indicative though.

"the majority support Israel"

There you go again, unfounded assumptions.

The majority of fkn what???

Not what I see, don't see any majority other than cunts like you that support what they have done.

So if the unlawful killing of innocents by Hamas sprung you into action in your "learnings" about "our" Israel, the injustice of it, your human compassion, and intellect, just stops there does it?

Innocent people on the other side of the world from a religion you don't practice, never have, suffer on one side of a border, but when innocent people on the other side suffer, in greater numbers, greater suffering, greater inhumanity, you don't care. They are subhumans to you, "activist", "terrorist", their religious beliefs make them the worst of the worst. No empathy whatsoever, in fact the opposite.

Nah, you don't "love our Israel", you ran out of victims once the Voice was over and you found another group to pick on. To express the cunt.

And now you are a not Jewish Professor of Jewish History at Google University that tells everyone else they don't know or understand what you learned on google.

The history is settled according to you the Zionist, no dispute.

Now not that I care one way or the other, I'm not a Jew or a Muslim, and I heave no interest in who is right or wrong but there is another view of the history, one you say doesn't exist, yet is does.

The Israelites took the land from the Canaanites, the contention is that the Levant is not the native home of the Jews, they were in fact colonisers. who conquered the land following the Exodus, that the Levant was Canaanite, who were kicked out.

Cananite DNA runs though most Arabs and Jews today. but it is Palestinians who have more than 80%, most Jews it is no more than 50%., Egyptians, Jordanians, some Africans,Libyans, Iranians, and others also have portions of it.

So there is an argument, not mine I don't fkn care, that the historical claim to the Levant and current day Israel by the Zionists is illegitimate. That other descendants of the Levant share the claim to the land on historical grounds.

Now if you were actually a fucking expert on these things, objectively, something I don't claim, I only have general knowledge and a mild interest, I like history, you would be well aware of the alternative historical perspective. It's an argument that has gone on a long time.

Some say it is settled, others do not.

But like I said in my earlier post, you are blind to anything that doesn't fit your lop sided morality or may impede you from kicking down.

So, I said there is a dispute.

You said, whatever shit you did and I'm uneducated and don't know about the history and diaspora.

That it's settled history.

But it's not.

They have been arguing about it for eons.

And I don't fkn care who is right or wrong.

But I know a cnt when I see one or read his thoughts.

And I know what ignorance and the Dunning Kruger effect is when I see it too.

Hi @Indo.

Bye@Indo.

PS. I can feel another Professor Indo google history post coming.

I don't give a fuck what you or it says, I really don't give a fuck about a fkn Bronze Age historical debate. I'll be scrolling right on past it.

I'm just here to say the thing you say doesn't exist, does.

(Pity you were such a cunt to FNP, you should see how far back their historical claim goes!)

So if it's for my benefit, don't bother

Ha ha The "our" thing is funny, i write my post in a back to front way, so it must have not got deleted from how i worded something else when edited.

Yes im on a spectrum, so when i cling onto a topic, i get obsessed with it and learn more about it than the average person and no this is not by just goggling something.

Just on the Gaza trump thing, yesterday i consumed about 4 hours of different views while working and i do so from very left wing source's too, just to see what they are saying.

And yes its important to correct the things you say that aren't true or that most modern scholars of history dont believe is true, and its funny because you base you ideas on religious narratives rather than what modern historians and archeologist etc believe

DNA studies show that Palestinians and Mizrahi Jews in Israel (that make up over 50% of the Jewish population) have pretty much exactly the same Canaanite DNA levels, as Palestinian's, they have pretty much the same DNA mix even Ashkenazi Israeli's have clear Canaanite DNA.

The Genomic History of the Bronze Age Southern Levant

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0092867420304876

It's not all that surprising seeing Palestinian's are really just Jews that converted to Islam via Christianity or direct from Judaism, often under the pressure of having to pay a tax (Jizya) for not being muslim under Turkish Ottoman rule (a true colonial empire just like the Roman empire)

DNA though as we know is only one aspect of ethnicity, language, culture, beliefs etc also play a large factor Jews and Samaritans still have those cultural and religious links that go back about 3,000 years all born on that land, that land is as important to Jews as Australia is to Indigenous Australians especially Judea and Samaria(West Bank) its the site of where hundreds of thousand's were murdered, and the site of thousand's of Jewish antiquity/archaeological sites including ancient Jewish tombs, it the site of the Samaritans most important site Mount Gerizim and the Jews second most scared site The Cave of the Patriarchs.

Of course even this site like the temple mount has tried to be claimed by muslims, which is no surprise Islam is basically a rip off of Judaism/Christianity, it wouldn't exist without those two coming first...which is pretty sad really.

Palestinian's generally practice Islam that came 600 years after Christianity a Jewish off shoot and 1500 years after Judaism and unlike those two is not from Israel/Judea but from Arabia, and of course they use Arabic from Arabia and culture is based around Arab culture, they are basically products of Arab colonialism.

Nobody knows for certain what happened to the Canaanites as an ethnic group (thats debated), but Hebrews/Israelties developed out of the Canaanites hence why they used the Canaanite language Hebrew and hence why DNA studies show they have Canaanite DNA

Judaism has its foundation's in Canaanite gods, the Israelites/Hebrews worshipped many of these Canaanite gods and over a very long process of hundreds of years went from worshiping many to one, Yahweh and the religion Yahwism that eventually morphed into Judaism with the writing of the Torah over a long period.

These Isralties/Hebrews were mostly based in Judea hence became know as Jews, Samaritans developed out of Samaria with slightly different beliefs.

BTW Samaritans once numbered almost one million today only 800 survive and in 1948 only about 150 survived after Roman and Arab massacres.

In regard to the Exodus this is a debated topic, but the modern consensus is it never happened, there is no archeological evidence to suggest it did or other recordings, these are just religious stories/mythology said to have been created to distance themselves from the idea of being from the Canaanites who were seen as barbaric doing human sacrifices etc

Even the idea of Abraham or Moses etc existing is debated and not backed up by anything anything of substance.

Of course the creation Adam & Eve story is BS too, the story actually has basis in older stories from other older middle east long gone ethnic groups, it's a rebirth story to be seen as a new people and over time not knowing better they believed it.

This is different to latter events and stories in the Torah/old testament that might be exaggerated but often do have roots in real life events or places etc

BTW. Ive posted a recent USA poll twice now, only a few days again that shows how Americans feel about Israel and support etc, it also shows and compares numerous other polls done since 7th Oct 2023 there is clear majority support.

Obviously we dont have the sae for Australia.

And im not a cunt to FNP im just realistic in looking at what drives the issues that they have and many including some indigenous people agree, its just a differing of view points.

No group in history has suffered what the Jews have, most were slaughtered by Romans , their land taken over and renamed, became refugees world wide, lost the ability to speak Hebrew (and then regained it), suffered a true genocide in the holocaust, 6 million murdered of 9 million, the population still has not recovered almost 100 years latter, now they are attacked from many surrounding countries or countries like Iran 1000km away and suffer anti semitic attacks or just conspiracy theories.

They should be down and out locked in some endless cycle of intergenerational trauma, yet they are one of the most successful groups in the world. (hence why you see them as oppressor's and not victims)

haha @adam12 i hear ya.
Can only speak for myself but maestro @indo and i have reached a semi agreement to not waste words on each other....having realised it's an exercise in futility.
Two wildly differing views of the world. Still the odd flare up but a bit more lighthearted now i guess.
Hope you're well legend and keep up the insightful posts. Alot of us learn alot!

wisdom @sr. y'know how there's really cool swellnet things that stick with you, and you carry about? This is one for me - @blackers distilling a pithy quote from an Albini letter posted by @stu:

blackers wrote:

Love Albini's response:

"So I am against what you're into, and an enemy of where you come from but I have no problem with what you're doing..."

True to the ethos

https://www.swellnet.com/comment/993869

etarip wrote:

https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/the-truth-of-the-matter/id2148869…

Good interview with a former US State Dept economist on tariff strategies, efficacy, limitations and impacts.

Didn’t realise that 92% of the revenue raised in the Trump 1.0 tariff game ended up being paid out to US agricultural sector as compensation for lost income from reciprocal tariffs applied by the PRC.

Anyway, worth a listen.

Thanks for sharing, this was great. I’m fully aligned with what was said. Important note is that he confirmed what I’ve been saying for a while; tariffs to PRC have the bipartisan support in the US. And yes, tariffs are a wash, you collect some revenue but you need to subsidise due to retaliations. Look what happened to our wine industry, it’s decimated.

indo-dreaming][quote=Hiccups wrote:

indo-dreaming wrote:

Yes im on a spectrum, so when i cling onto a topic, i get obsessed with it and learn more about it than the average person and no this is not by just goggling something.

No, you raging gobshite. You don't learn more than the average person, you THINK you learn more than the average person, and therein lies your problem. Well, one of them.

Slow clap directed at adam12 for taking the the time to comprehensively dress down this gormless boob.

I will post it again below so not lost on the last page, so much of what he says is outdated and no longer even debated, yes he may have learnt this in the 70s , but that was 50 years ago historians and archaeologist know much more now, science and DNA has advanced hugely, his thought's have been debunked and are outdated and ironically based on religion writings.

But hey you keep hating and trolling mate, it's what you do best, actually it's all you do.

indo-dreaming][quote=adam12][quote=indo-dreaming wrote:

adam12 wrote:

indo-dreaming wrote:

adam12 wrote:

@Indo,

.

No surprise you can't keep off these forums.

It's your life's work.

Here's a great example of why you are a psychopath

"In regard to why i support our Israel, Israeli's and the Jewish people who are constantly under attack from Jihadist groups and why i became more interested after 7th October that should be obvious, its the same reason the majority support Israel."

First up "our Israel",

Yours is it?

What a fkn weird thing to say.

For a goyim.

Indicative though.

"the majority support Israel"

There you go again, unfounded assumptions.

The majority of fkn what???

Not what I see, don't see any majority other than cunts like you that support what they have done.

So if the unlawful killing of innocents by Hamas sprung you into action in your "learnings" about "our" Israel, the injustice of it, your human compassion, and intellect, just stops there does it?

Innocent people on the other side of the world from a religion you don't practice, never have, suffer on one side of a border, but when innocent people on the other side suffer, in greater numbers, greater suffering, greater inhumanity, you don't care. They are subhumans to you, "activist", "terrorist", their religious beliefs make them the worst of the worst. No empathy whatsoever, in fact the opposite.

Nah, you don't "love our Israel", you ran out of victims once the Voice was over and you found another group to pick on. To express the cunt.

And now you are a not Jewish Professor of Jewish History at Google University that tells everyone else they don't know or understand what you learned on google.

The history is settled according to you the Zionist, no dispute.

Now not that I care one way or the other, I'm not a Jew or a Muslim, and I heave no interest in who is right or wrong but there is another view of the history, one you say doesn't exist, yet is does.

The Israelites took the land from the Canaanites, the contention is that the Levant is not the native home of the Jews, they were in fact colonisers. who conquered the land following the Exodus, that the Levant was Canaanite, who were kicked out.

Cananite DNA runs though most Arabs and Jews today. but it is Palestinians who have more than 80%, most Jews it is no more than 50%., Egyptians, Jordanians, some Africans,Libyans, Iranians, and others also have portions of it.

So there is an argument, not mine I don't fkn care, that the historical claim to the Levant and current day Israel by the Zionists is illegitimate. That other descendants of the Levant share the claim to the land on historical grounds.

Now if you were actually a fucking expert on these things, objectively, something I don't claim, I only have general knowledge and a mild interest, I like history, you would be well aware of the alternative historical perspective. It's an argument that has gone on a long time.

Some say it is settled, others do not.

But like I said in my earlier post, you are blind to anything that doesn't fit your lop sided morality or may impede you from kicking down.

So, I said there is a dispute.

You said, whatever shit you did and I'm uneducated and don't know about the history and diaspora.

That it's settled history.

But it's not.

They have been arguing about it for eons.

And I don't fkn care who is right or wrong.

But I know a cnt when I see one or read his thoughts.

And I know what ignorance and the Dunning Kruger effect is when I see it too.

Hi @Indo.

Bye@Indo.

PS. I can feel another Professor Indo google history post coming.

I don't give a fuck what you or it says, I really don't give a fuck about a fkn Bronze Age historical debate. I'll be scrolling right on past it.

I'm just here to say the thing you say doesn't exist, does.

(Pity you were such a cunt to FNP, you should see how far back their historical claim goes!)

So if it's for my benefit, don't bother

Ha ha The "our" thing is funny, i write my post in a back to front way, so it must have not got deleted from how i worded something else when edited.

Yes im on a spectrum, so when i cling onto a topic, i get obsessed with it and learn more about it than the average person and no this is not by just goggling something.

Just on the Gaza trump thing, yesterday i consumed about 4 hours of different views while working and i do so from very left wing source's too, just to see what they are saying.

And yes its important to correct the things you say that aren't true or that most modern scholars of history dont believe is true, and its funny because you base you ideas on religious narratives rather than what modern historians and archeologist etc believe

DNA studies show that Palestinians and Mizrahi Jews in Israel (that make up over 50% of the Jewish population) have pretty much exactly the same Canaanite DNA levels, as Palestinian's, they have pretty much the same DNA mix even Ashkenazi Israeli's have clear Canaanite DNA.

The Genomic History of the Bronze Age Southern Levant

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0092867420304876

It's not all that surprising seeing Palestinian's are really just Jews that converted to Islam via Christianity or direct from Judaism, often under the pressure of having to pay a tax (Jizya) for not being muslim under Turkish Ottoman rule (a true colonial empire just like the Roman empire)

DNA though as we know is only one aspect of ethnicity, language, culture, beliefs etc also play a large factor Jews and Samaritans still have those cultural and religious links that go back about 3,000 years all born on that land, that land is as important to Jews as Australia is to Indigenous Australians especially Judea and Samaria(West Bank) its the site of where hundreds of thousand's were murdered, and the site of thousand's of Jewish antiquity/archaeological sites including ancient Jewish tombs, it the site of the Samaritans most important site Mount Gerizim and the Jews second most scared site The Cave of the Patriarchs.

Of course even this site like the temple mount has tried to be claimed by muslims, which is no surprise Islam is basically a rip off of Judaism/Christianity, it wouldn't exist without those two coming first...which is pretty sad really.

Palestinian's generally practice Islam that came 600 years after Christianity a Jewish off shoot and 1500 years after Judaism and unlike those two is not from Israel/Judea but from Arabia, and of course they use Arabic from Arabia and culture is based around Arab culture, they are basically products of Arab colonialism.

Nobody knows for certain what happened to the Canaanites as an ethnic group (thats debated), but Hebrews/Israelties developed out of the Canaanites hence why they used the Canaanite language Hebrew and hence why DNA studies show they have Canaanite DNA

Judaism has its foundation's in Canaanite gods, the Israelites/Hebrews worshipped many of these Canaanite gods and over a very long process of hundreds of years went from worshiping many to one, Yahweh and the religion Yahwism that eventually morphed into Judaism with the writing of the Torah over a long period.

These Isralties/Hebrews were mostly based in Judea hence became know as Jews, Samaritans developed out of Samaria with slightly different beliefs.

BTW Samaritans once numbered almost one million today only 800 survive and in 1948 only about 150 survived after Roman and Arab massacres.

In regard to the Exodus this is a debated topic, but the modern consensus is it never happened, there is no archeological evidence to suggest it did or other recordings, these are just religious stories/mythology said to have been created to distance themselves from the idea of being from the Canaanites who were seen as barbaric doing human sacrifices etc

Even the idea of Abraham or Moses etc existing is debated and not backed up by anything anything of substance.

Of course the creation Adam & Eve story is BS too, the story actually has basis in older stories from other older middle east long gone ethnic groups, it's a rebirth story to be seen as a new people and over time not knowing better they believed it.

This is different to latter events and stories in the Torah/old testament that might be exaggerated but often do have roots in real life events or places etc

BTW. Ive posted a recent USA poll twice now, only a few days again that shows how Americans feel about Israel and support etc, it also shows and compares numerous other polls done since 7th Oct 2023 there is clear majority support.

Obviously we dont have the sae for Australia.

And im not a cunt to FNP im just realistic in looking at what drives the issues that they have and many including some indigenous people agree, its just a differing of view points.

No group in history has suffered what the Jews have, most were slaughtered by Romans , their land taken over and renamed, became refugees world wide, lost the ability to speak Hebrew (and then regained it), suffered a true genocide in the holocaust, 6 million murdered of 9 million, the population still has not recovered almost 100 years latter, now they are attacked from many surrounding countries or countries like Iran 1000km away and suffer anti semitic attacks or just conspiracy theories.

They should be down and out locked in some endless cycle of intergenerational trauma, yet they are one of the most successful groups in the world. (hence why you see them as oppressor's and not victims)

All very interesting, but who gives a shit when right now, today and for the last 15 months the Israeli/ US military machine has been slaughtering 10's of thousands of women and children.
It is an absolute disgrace, an evil venture with the full support of the apparent leader of the free world while the rest of the world watch on nodding their concerns worrying about being labelled anti-semitic.
It was evil in the late 1930's and WW2, and it is evil now.

Sorry double post.

andy-mac wrote:

Sorry double post.

worth repeating though, history doesn't justify the deaths of so many innocents

Fliplid wrote:

andy-mac wrote:

Sorry double post.

worth repeating though, history doesn't justify the deaths of so many innocents

Hear! Hear! There is NO excuse for the mass murder of innocent people.

When you see the footage of what's left of Gaza you think, how did the world stand by and let this happen.

@info doesn't change his views much and especially on topics he is most interested in, can't say he does at all for his pet subjects, in fact, he will often double down when faced with criticism. Personally, it's a work in progress but I wonder why I/we expect him to change his view on anything although I find much of what he says to be totally abhorrent ..... and the icing on the cake is really infuriating: this SN "spiel" of his about engaging in civil online debate while presenting the most outrageous bullshit as an argument for his view when he ought to know by now after all this time what he says will attract comments he then labels trolling!!

We've all been here before and no doubt again and again. I'm off now to look for a wave, have a great day everyone

GuySmiley wrote:

@info doesn't change his views much and especially on topics he is most interested in, can't say he does at all for his pet subjects, in fact, he will often double down when faced with criticism. Personally, it's a work in progress but I wonder why I/we expect him to change his view on anything although I find much of what he says to be totally abhorrent ..... and the icing on the cake is really infuriating: this SN "spiel" of his about engaging in civil online debate while presenting the most outrageous bullshit as an argument for his view when he ought to know by now after all this time what he says will attract comments he then labels trolling!!

We've all been here before and no doubt again and again. I'm off now to look for a wave, have a great day everyone

I don't at all expect him to change his views, and I don't try. I do, though, feel it's important to pull people like him up on their bullshit, lest anyone reading complete bum splatter think what they're reading is gospel cos it went unchallenged, and I appreciate anyone taking the time to try to comprehensively school him, albeit fruitlessly.

Yes @hiccups that’s precisely why I’ve engaged with him and others here in the past also so I accept I used the wrong turn of phrase ^^. Keep on fighting the good fight lads!!

old-dog wrote:

When you see the footage of what's left of Gaza you think, how did the world stand by and let this happen.

100%. And to be honest, I know we are angry with Trump with the recent narrative but we should also be angry with the previous administration for letting it happen. When you scratch below the surface you realise that Trump is saying at lound what those before him would never say. But the actual policy approach and action on the ground are not that dissimilar. It all look like one major cartel.

@Indo,
Read that DNA Levant history of yours, very informative.
Here's the thing.
Israel,
On the DNA test of history you so strictly adhere to,
Your dogma
Always was, always will be

Aboriginal Land

A bit like your house.

Stay tuned.
Keep studying human history.
I'll give you some more time....

Justifing murder in the name of historical DNA is....I don't know, lost for words.

Exxotixjeff wrote:

sypkan wrote:

"I think that’s why Elon wants to cut off everyone’s social security and Medicare."

where is there any proof, statement, evidence, or even hint that that is what elon wants to do?

a ridiculous statement, from a ridiculous jeffy...

that has had his head filled with with ridiculous statements, from ridiculous jeffys...

thanks jeffy...

you just confirmed my point

miss spunky trump chicky even spelt it out

(a temporary (mistaken) shut down of a computer system is not elon 'wanting' to cut off everyone's social security and medicare... considering what they're undertaking... I'm surprised the whole system hasn't shut down...)

as to dept. of education

we'll see...

I'll bet you now if you want he doesn't abolish it... $100? $500?

let's go...

I'm sure they'll gut it

the stinking fish - like USaid - clearly needs gutting...

but there'll be no abolishing of the department

bets?

adam12 wrote:

@Indo,

Read that DNA Levant history of yours, very informative.

Here's the thing.

Israel,

On the DNA test of history you so strictly adhere to,

Your dogma

Always was, always will be

Aboriginal Land

A bit like your house.

Stay tuned.

Keep studying human history.

I'll give you some more time....

@indo is doing his bit for the great diversionary tactics of the Trump , Musk ,, MAGA , real agenda,
Why would you worry about acquiring Gaza ,when you’re in the process of stealing America?

andy-mac wrote:

All very interesting, but who gives a shit when right now, today and for the last 15 months the Israeli/ US military machine has been slaughtering 10's of thousands of women and children.

It is an absolute disgrace, an evil venture with the full support of the apparent leader of the free world while the rest of the world watch on nodding their concerns worrying about being labelled anti-semitic.

It was evil in the late 1930's and WW2, and it is evil now.

As ive said before Andy you would have let Hitler and Nazis survive just because we cant have death and destruction, that what happens in wars even the ones you choose to ignore like Sudan and Ukraine etc

Your views on Israel not retaliating or magically taking out Hamas targets without civilians is pure fantasy, you have said many times they should just go after the leaders, and even when they did that you complained.

Your views are just totally unrealistic you expect Israel to just be attacked and not fight back, no country on earth would do that, if they didn't put military pressure on Hamas they would have just had to give Hamas what they wanted to get the hostages back, even as it is they had to pay overs dealing with the devil releasing murders and terrorist on life sentence's but Hamas demands without the pressure of war would include giving up things like the temple mount etc

And then they would just have to live in fear of another 7th October or deal with endless rockets, that threat doesn't magically go away without military force.

7th October was a terrible event, but it's nothing compared to what could have been, Hezbollah had a similar plan "Conquer the Galilee' that would have been much bigger and if Hamas had done a coordinated attack with Hezbollah, Houthis and Iran, Israel's defence system would have failed and would look much worse than Gaza right now, and there would be no safe zones or allowing aid, it would be a true genocide and Israel would have been destroyed, no Israeli would ever returned because they would know they couldn't be protected.

Thank god that's not what happened, Israel has proven the exact opposite, they have proven they can stand up to being attacked the threat of Hamas is severally removed, same deal with Hezbollah and better still the weakening of Hezbollah triggered the fall of Asad preventing supply to Hezbollah, and Iran is now extremely vulnerable, Houthis are still a threat to some degree but separated by great distance.

None of this would have happened in what you wanted.

Israel is now in the best position they have been for decades especially with four years of Trump support, while Iran is in the worst position they have been for decades.

What happens next we will see, same deal with Gaza, but its pointless to even consider a rebuild while Hamas are in power.

And dont bank on the war being over just yet, its currently a ceasefire only stage two negotiation's are to end the war and started this week, i cant see how that's going to happen though, Hamas wants to stay in power, and Israel isn't willing to allow that to happen and neither is Trump.

sypkan wrote:

Exxotixjeff wrote:

sypkan wrote:

"I think that’s why Elon wants to cut off everyone’s social security and Medicare."

where is there any proof, statement, evidence, or even hint that that is what elon wants to do?

a ridiculous statement, from a ridiculous jeffy...

that has had his head filled with with ridiculous statements, from ridiculous jeffys...

thanks jeffy...

you just confirmed my point

miss spunky trump chicky even spelt it out

(a temporary (mistaken) shut down of a computer system is not elon 'wanting' to cut off everyone's social security and medicare... considering what they're undertaking... I'm surprised the whole system hasn't shut down...)

as to dept. of education

we'll see...

I'll bet you now if you want he doesn't abolish it... $100? $500?

let's go...

I'm sure they'll gut it

the stinking fish - like USaid - clearly needs gutting...

but there'll be no abolishing of the department

bets?

Fair enough, you believe whatever the corrupt conmen and women say .
Personally I don’t want to waste time seeing which statements were actually true and which statements obviously weren’t.
I just assume they’re all lies
Much easier that way.

sypkan wrote:

Exxotixjeff wrote:

sypkan wrote:

"I think that’s why Elon wants to cut off everyone’s social security and Medicare."

where is there any proof, statement, evidence, or even hint that that is what elon wants to do?

a ridiculous statement, from a ridiculous jeffy...

that has had his head filled with with ridiculous statements, from ridiculous jeffys...

thanks jeffy...

you just confirmed my point

miss spunky trump chicky even spelt it out

(a temporary (mistaken) shut down of a computer system is not elon 'wanting' to cut off everyone's social security and medicare... considering what they're undertaking... I'm surprised the whole system hasn't shut down...)

as to dept. of education

we'll see...

I'll bet you now if you want he doesn't abolish it... $100? $500?

let's go...

I'm sure they'll gut it

the stinking fish - like USaid - clearly needs gutting...

but there'll be no abolishing of the department

bets?

Fair enough, you believe whatever the corrupt conmen and women say .
Personally I don’t want to waste time seeing which statements were actually true and which statements obviously weren’t.
I just assume they’re all lies
Much easier that way.

Here's the document that The Don was riffing on re the Gaza development.

https://ceesmena.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/An-Economic-Plan-for-Re…

Purely a private enterprise construction, development and administrative model with lease hold for 50 years and selected investors to have an equity stake in the developments

"The sovereignty for the residents will be addressed only after the 50-year lease arrangement is complete....."

so when people like Marco Rubio say that Palestinians will only be temporarily removed it's sort of correct, they just need to come up with the cash to buy back in.

@etarip and flollo, that's an interesting podcast about the tariffs, was informative listening to something based on clear facts minus any ideology

Yes Fliplid, ideology is mudding the waters everywhere. It has never been more important to cut through and look directly to the source.

That sounds like a good paper. I’m keen on reading it but 50 pages will have to wait till tomorrow. I read the abstract and the first thought that came to mind was: ‘fuck me these guys want to bring HOA to Gaza’, haha.

and that is how it is done...

the dismantling of a nation

a cold hard, calculated roadmap and justification...

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/end-of-p…

not saying I agree with it, and I'm consciously staying out of the SNME wars...

but it's an interesting article, with some very valid points

and fwiw, I still don't think 'the goal' of trump and co. is as cut and dry as it's currently being portrayed

I'm envisioning a compartmentalized gaza, where areas are 'cleaned up' ...physically, metorphorically, and ideologically...

allowing pilgrims safe passage to trump's new promise land

culminating in an 'escape from new york' (the movie) meets jihad grand finale

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/end-of-p…

@ Guy

Okay smart arse, please tell us all what you have changed your mind on in recent times and also since you were say twenty?

I bet you havent changed your views at all, you dont even like being exposed to views you oppose even calling to Stunet to prevent views you don't like being shared, and he has said clearly while he might not agree with those views people are free to have them.

And no way on earth you would look at media you dont align with, you are one of the most narrow minded set in your view's people here.

Im continually re looking at things, ive changed my views greatly since my twenties, i was pretty much a carbon copy of Southern raw in my views especially indigenous issues it's probably why i have a soft spot for him.

Ive even flipped from a left wing greens voter, to a Labor voter, to a LNP voter all over a long period.

In recent years ive even changed my mind or mellowed right out things like climate change, the most recent tweak has been on identity i have less of a black and white view on things there.

And like ive said numerous times recently, i will go look ad listen to very left wing media to see what they are saying, i rarely agree but at least im open to hearing a differing view point.

"‘fuck me these guys want to bring HOA to Gaza’, haha."

Yeah, they've got their own acronym, BOT, sounds like it will be a good little earner too so would be perfect for a Sovereign Wealth Fund to invest in, shame America doesn't have one.......oh hang on a sec.......

sypkan wrote:

Exxotixjeff wrote:

sypkan wrote:

"I think that’s why Elon wants to cut off everyone’s social security and Medicare."

where is there any proof, statement, evidence, or even hint that that is what elon wants to do?

a ridiculous statement, from a ridiculous jeffy...

that has had his head filled with with ridiculous statements, from ridiculous jeffys...

thanks jeffy...

you just confirmed my point

miss spunky trump chicky even spelt it out

(a temporary (mistaken) shut down of a computer system is not elon 'wanting' to cut off everyone's social security and medicare... considering what they're undertaking... I'm surprised the whole system hasn't shut down...)

as to dept. of education

we'll see...

I'll bet you now if you want he doesn't abolish it... $100? $500?

let's go...

I'm sure they'll gut it

the stinking fish - like USaid - clearly needs gutting...

but there'll be no abolishing of the department

bets?

Your analogy of the Education Department to a stinking fish ,
What would you call the whole Musk SpaceX , Tesla handouts, Chinese government,illegal hacking of government departments by an unelected billionaire, conflicts of interest, ?
A stinking whale doesn’t do it justice,
Anyway why would you bother gutting a stinking fish?
Wouldn’t you just throw it out ?
Obviously don’t think too much.

settle down @info, please read again my two posts, you are welcome to your stridently researched/held opinions and the use of SN forums to show the world how abhorrent they are.

He stood and watched the sunrise with an unfamiliar sense of optimism. Today was the day. The day things would change. The day things would start to be great again… and they deserved to be great again.

Pushing his iconic hat back slightly, he squinched his face and lit a cigarette. The smoky exhale releasing many years of stress. He had watched this land that he loved corrupted for decades; parasites corroding his way of life. ‘Time’s up, greedy bastards’ he muttered.

For the first time in years, he could see a bright future.. one where his children could labour as he had, where incomes would reach all-time highs, a new time of plenty, his beloved country the envy of the world.

‘When the greedy bastards are gone, when they have been ousted, when they have stopped taking what belongs to the working man.. it will be a brand new dawn!’ he thought.

He looked down at the small cardboard box that had been delivered, ‘Rhinella marina’ in formal typeset on the side. He released the two toads into his golden sunlit field with a smile and a deep sigh of contentedness.

@Indo,
"Israel is now in the best position they have been for decades especially with four years of Trump support"

Now there's another very debatable one sided view. You're so prolific with this shit.
Best position?
To do what?
They are a pariah.
Their leadership wanted war criminals, the State on Genocide charges in the World Court, their economy in the shitter, their enemies still there, still capable, rearming.
The Al Qassam looked pretty fighting fit to me. Iran building nukes, the proxies all ready to fight on, renewed vigor inspired by more wanton Israeli slaughter.
Millions around the world marching against the State of Israel, the gentile world and many, many Jews in fierce disagreement and condemnation.
Israel probably the most despised State for it's blatant disregard of human rights, probably more so than Russia or any other in world affairs currently.
And four years backing from Trump, a fucking lunatic, seems brain damaged to me, what a guy to have in your corner.
They are only in a great position to steal more land, kill more innocents, commit more war crimes.
But, they have exponentially increased the threat and danger not just to Jews and others in Israel, but to Jews around the world.
And if a real war starts, not a proxy or insurgent one.
The Americans have wasted a lot of money and munitions in another unsuccessful attempt to put down Palestinian insurgents. Another failure, for both Israel and the US.
They can't even defeat Hamas.
So while the real estate prospects have improved, a little, they still have to bulldoze it, the Palestinians are still there, human rights, claim for self determination and Statehood strong as ever, I would contend right now they are in a worse position than they have been for a long time, maybe even since 1948.

And I'm disappointed you haven't used your history qualifications to bite on my little question I asked you and come up with an answer.
I know you have a lot on your plate, defending war crimes and all, so I'll give you some more time and a little hint.
Remember if you can, the first comment I ever made to you on these threads, years ago, the first comment I ever made on these threads, a short sentence, six words, had to school you from the get go @Indo, Still trying today which is probably a sadder reflection on me than you.
Take your time.
Think.
And PS, sociopathy ain't autism.
Study history.
The Jews weren't there first.
Their DNA wasn't there first.

GuySmiley wrote:

settle down @info, please read again my two posts, you are welcome to your stridently researched/held opinions and the use of SN forums to show the world how abhorrent they are.

Yep you have nothing not one example, i bet you have the same views on everything you did at 20 as you do now, you will die with those same views.

Thats fine i guess, but for FUCKS SAKE dont you dare suggest im not willing to change my mind when i have in the past and even recently while you never have and are so narrow minded you want views you dont agree with silenced.

And its not just my views, i didnt agree with many peoples views during covid, but unlike you i wasn't calling for their views to silenced.

And while i still dont agree with all their views, in some cases in hindsight they had good points.

And yes thats another area i changed my views slightly on over time.

basesix wrote:

He stood and watched the sunrise with an unfamiliar sense of optimism. Today was the day. The day things would change. The day things would start to be great again… and they deserved to be great again.

Pushing his iconic hat back slightly, he squinched his face and lit a cigarette. The smoky exhale releasing many years of stress. He had watched this land that he loved corrupted for decades; parasites corroding his way of life. ‘Time’s up, greedy bastards’ he muttered.

For the first time in years, he could see a bright future.. one where his children could labour as he had, where incomes would reach all-time highs, a new time of plenty, his beloved country the envy of the world.

‘When the greedy bastards are gone, when they have been ousted, when they have stopped taking what belongs to the working man.. it will be a brand new dawn!’ he thought.

He looked down at the small cardboard box that had been delivered, ‘Rhinella marina’ in formal typeset on the side. He released the two toads into his golden sunlit field with a smile and a deep sigh of contentedness.

Are you having a go at Queenslanders again?
Bloody cockroach crows , whatever you call yourself.

I was comparing the blind hope that Elon and Don will fix the 'swamp' to the blind optimism that toads would fix the beetle problems near Cairns. It was a little 'careful what you wish for' ditty. It was meant to read like a modern day maga, but was in fact an aussie in an akubra in 1935. sorry it didn't work.

basesix wrote:

I was comparing the blind hope that Elon and Don will fix the 'swamp' to the blind optimism that toads would fix the beetle problems near Cairns. It was a little 'careful what you wish for' ditty. It was meant to read like a modern day maga, but was in fact an aussie in an akubra in 1935. sorry it didn't work.

It worked. 'Twas appreciated too.

I got it. Nice work.

basesix wrote:

I was comparing the blind hope that Elon and Don will fix the 'swamp' to the blind optimism that toads would fix the beetle problems near Cairns. It was a little 'careful what you wish for' ditty. It was meant to read like a modern day maga, but was in fact an aussie in an akubra in 1935. sorry it didn't work.

Thought it was Steinbeck. :)
Toads of Wrath....

cheers guys, feels fantastic to have a spare couple of days off, having fully recovered. has left me with slightly idle hands, but. nice problem to have.

@ sexy, the term is croweaters, when we get back from hunting we bake them in pies while chewing tobacco and playing the banjo.

"Your analogy of the Education Department to a stinking fish ,
What would you call the whole Musk SpaceX , Tesla handouts, Chinese government,illegal hacking of government departments by an unelected billionaire, conflicts of interest, ?"

I see all the hysterics making this comparison, and it's a reasonable question to ask...

however, without the impediment of being hysterical... it's a dumb comparison...

you see, all these tesla, spacex, etc. endeavours and agreements have been running for years - even under the biden administration - so there's that...

and they are transparent - which is the exact opposite of the USaid arrangements

and, no one cared when elon was on the side of the democrats, he was their little darling climate change saviour... that's hypocrisy!

and, whilst I personally see the mars stuff as a billionaire ball swinging exercise. anyone with any knowledge an appreciation of anything... understands that the space race mk1 was an amazing mechanism to speed up development of much of the tech. that even we plebs all use today...

now we're in space race mk11, and NASA outsources shit - whilst I vehemently opposed much of neoliliberalism - it's obvious to any objective observer, that maybe elon inc. can do shit faster and cheaper than NASA... so it simply makes sense...

as to 'illegal hacking'

trump was voted in to do a job

elon was hired to do a job...

he was given the permission and clearances to do that job - so nothing illegal, and no hacking

how the fuck do you suggest you audit something, without actual access to the records and figures?

weird...

SEN. JOHN KENNEDY: “The USAID are screaming like they're part of a prison riot because they don't want us reviewing the spending. But that's all @elonmusk is doing. And he's finding some pretty interesting stuff … Just what the President said he was going to appoint Musk to do.” pic.twitter.com/etfGizrxEI

— Chief Nerd (@TheChiefNerd) February 4, 2025

basesix wrote:

I was comparing the blind hope that Elon and Don will fix the 'swamp' to the blind optimism that toads would fix the beetle problems near Cairns. It was a little 'careful what you wish for' ditty. It was meant to read like a modern day maga, but was in fact an aussie in an akubra in 1935. sorry it didn't work.

Yeah of course it worked,
I was just being sarcarstic

Thank you @info for your gratuitous advice, duly noted and ignored.

Nice work b6 and @andy-mac for the Steinbeck reference, brilliant book are all of his

Supafreak wrote:

velocityjohnno wrote:

Here's a link detailing a bit more on media funding

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/02/what-do-you-know-even-trump-ha…

Seems the kids are finding data, the net is crowdsourcing where all the flows went, and the transparency is just really interesting.

It's up there with Shia LeBouef and 4Chan playing 'capture the flag'.

@VJ , I’m not sure if you’re taking the piss or not . https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-gateway-pundit/

It's a mix of about 45% excitement, 40% horror and 15% Gibbons Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire.

As said before, I looked at MSM links but they are reducing the themes, so I've been off on an adventure, trying to get what's happening from any source.

And here's the whole playlist of that amazing series of Shia vs /pol, for anyone who has the time

basesix wrote:

cheers guys, feels fantastic to have a spare couple of days off, having fully recovered. has left me with slightly idle hands, but. nice problem to have.

Glad to hear you’re fully recovered from whatever you were recovering from.
So hang on
Two MAGAs were releasing toads into the deep swamp, in the Deep South,
While listening to “Yesterday all my troubles seemed so far away “ by the Beatles. .
Yes it does make sense.

sypkan wrote:

"Your analogy of the Education Department to a stinking fish ,

What would you call the whole Musk SpaceX , Tesla handouts, Chinese government,illegal hacking of government departments by an unelected billionaire, conflicts of interest, ?"

I see all the hysterics making this comparison, and it's a reasonable question to ask...

however, without the impediment of being hysterical... it's a dumb comparison...

you see, all these tesla, spacex, etc. endeavours and agreements have been running for years - even under the biden administration - so there's that...

and they are transparent - which is the exact opposite of the USaid arrangements

and, no one cared when elon was on the side of the democrats, he was their little darling climate change saviour... that's hypocrisy!

and, whilst I personally see the mars stuff as a billionaire ball swinging exercise. anyone with any knowledge an appreciation of anything... understands that the space race mk1 was an amazing mechanism to speed up development of much of the tech. that even we plebs all use today...

now we're in space race mk11, and NASA outsources shit - whilst I vehemently opposed much of neoliliberalism - it's obvious to any objective observer, that maybe elon inc. can do shit faster and cheaper than NASA... so it simply makes sense...

as to 'illegal hacking'

trump was voted in to do a job

elon was hired to do a job...

he was given the permission and clearances to do that job - so nothing illegal, and no hacking

how the fuck do you suggest you audit something, without actual access to the records and figures?

weird...

https://x.com/TheChiefNerd/status/1886736123671577018

“Given the clearances”

That’s not how the process works. Especially when that clearances is extended to others.

Read something the other day that talked about the attractiveness of some of these (uncleared) punters to foreign espionage and recruitment.

As for Elon’s hard on for holding USAID and other elements of government ‘accountable’, it’s a sheet of thin ice he’s standing on as a government prime contractor (SpaceX, Starlink etc). He’ll want to make sure that the GOP stays in power for the foreseeable future.

You don’t have to look far to find massive gouging and over-quoting / under-delivering in any of those projects. Reality is that government usually doesn’t look that hard, or it’s just accepted as a sunk cost, or the cost of enforcement is too much. But, and I’ve seen this happen, if you want to make an example of someone, those examples can be found in almost any major contract and can be used to disqualify future tenders.

Finally, Elon was ‘hired’ for a government advisory body (not a department) with no confirmation process. Incredible amount of power and influence. Unelected.
Weren’t you the loudest voice on this forum that Kamala Harris’ nomination was ‘undemocratic’?

etarip wrote:

sypkan wrote:

"Your analogy of the Education Department to a stinking fish ,

What would you call the whole Musk SpaceX , Tesla handouts, Chinese government,illegal hacking of government departments by an unelected billionaire, conflicts of interest, ?"

I see all the hysterics making this comparison, and it's a reasonable question to ask...

however, without the impediment of being hysterical... it's a dumb comparison...

you see, all these tesla, spacex, etc. endeavours and agreements have been running for years - even under the biden administration - so there's that...

and they are transparent - which is the exact opposite of the USaid arrangements

and, no one cared when elon was on the side of the democrats, he was their little darling climate change saviour... that's hypocrisy!

and, whilst I personally see the mars stuff as a billionaire ball swinging exercise. anyone with any knowledge an appreciation of anything... understands that the space race mk1 was an amazing mechanism to speed up development of much of the tech. that even we plebs all use today...

now we're in space race mk11, and NASA outsources shit - whilst I vehemently opposed much of neoliliberalism - it's obvious to any objective observer, that maybe elon inc. can do shit faster and cheaper than NASA... so it simply makes sense...

as to 'illegal hacking'

trump was voted in to do a job

elon was hired to do a job...

he was given the permission and clearances to do that job - so nothing illegal, and no hacking

how the fuck do you suggest you audit something, without actual access to the records and figures?

weird...

https://x.com/TheChiefNerd/status/1886736123671577018

“Given the clearances”

That’s not how the process works. Especially when that clearances is extended to others.

Read something the other day that talked about the attractiveness of some of these (uncleared) punters to foreign espionage and recruitment.

As for Elon’s hard on for holding USAID and other elements of government ‘accountable’, it’s a sheet of thin ice he’s standing on as a government prime contractor (SpaceX, Starlink etc). He’ll want to make sure that the GOP stays in power for the foreseeable future.

You don’t have to look far to find massive gouging and over-quoting / under-delivering in any of those projects. Reality is that government usually doesn’t look that hard, or it’s just accepted as a sunk cost, or the cost of enforcement is too much. But, and I’ve seen this happen, if you want to make an example of someone, those examples can be found in almost any major contract and can be used to disqualify future tenders.

Finally, Elon was ‘hired’ for a government advisory body (not a department) with no confirmation process. Incredible amount of power and influence. Unelected.

Weren’t you the loudest voice on this forum that Kamala Harris’ nomination was ‘undemocratic’?

So why the fuck did a DC judge slap an interim injunction stopping unelected Musk and his teenybopper from raiding the treasury department private data of everyone,
That’s the trick Einstein, Trump is constantly
doing illegal unconstitutional shit to see what he can get away with,
and fooling the unlawfully .
All the spaceX Tesla stuff running for years, before Musk became an unelected part of the government with huge but debatable powers
There is that too with your hysterical adulation of a Nazi sympathiser.
“ Trump was voted in to do a job “
Yesterday , reduce the price of groceries and kick out all the brown people
Not threatening US allies leveling Gaza
Rout the DOJ and FBI
And a whole lot of other people didn’t vote for
Even MAGA are turning against him now????
Your explanations are propagandistic,

Oh a violation of the Privacy Act of 1974
Why didn’t you know that as you make it up as you think fit, Mr expert

"On Thursday, Israel Katz, Israel’s foreign minister, ordered the IDF to prepare for the “voluntary” emigration of Palestinians from the Gaza Strip, including “special arrangements” for sea and air departures."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/02/06/israel-considers-send…

Just wrong.

velocityjohnno wrote:

"On Thursday, Israel Katz, Israel’s foreign minister, ordered the IDF to prepare for the “voluntary” emigration of Palestinians from the Gaza Strip, including “special arrangements” for sea and air departures."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/02/06/israel-considers-send…

Just wrong.

Apparently the ambassador for Jordan said that Jordan will declare war on Israel , if they go ahead with the US invasion of Gaza .
Followed closely by Egypt and
Saudi Arabia.