indo-dreaming wrote:

@RK

Hate Trump all you like, but the guy is very strategic, he didn't become president again just by chance, he has some plan or strategy in place.

Again im not saying whatever he is doing is going to work, nobody really knows.

But i am interested in trying to understand what it is and listening to those that are much smarter than any of us here explaining what his strategy might be.

There is quite a few decent videos giving their take's now.

If you dont want to watch the whole video watch from 7:50 onwards (before that it was mostly just looking at how the Tariffs are calculated)

Indo, Can you explain ….” economics, but i do know that shit you support like catching fish in one country and sending it to another to be processed only to be sent back to the country caught in to be sold, is just plain fucking stupid and could be prevented with basic targeted tariffs,”
What you mean/know? I can’t get my head around what you are saying you know? What could be prevented? It’s all a jumble that makes no sense.
Clarify it can you?

indo-dreaming wrote:

but i do know that shit you support like catching fish in one country and sending it to another to be processed only to be sent back to the country caught in to be sold, is just plain fucking stupid and could be prevented with basic targeted tariffs,

It may be stupid but it's also free market orthodoxy which you've voted for and argued for on here since you began commenting. Minimal regulation, no government intervention, market decides yada yada yada...but now without a hint of irony you're calling it stupid.

Roadkill wrote:

indo-dreaming wrote:

@RK

Hate Trump all you like, but the guy is very strategic, he didn't become president again just by chance, he has some plan or strategy in place.

Again im not saying whatever he is doing is going to work, nobody really knows.

But i am interested in trying to understand what it is and listening to those that are much smarter than any of us here explaining what his strategy might be.

There is quite a few decent videos giving their take's now.

If you dont want to watch the whole video watch from 7:50 onwards (before that it was mostly just looking at how the Tariffs are calculated)

Indo, Can you explain ….” economics, but i do know that shit you support like catching fish in one country and sending it to another to be processed only to be sent back to the country caught in to be sold, is just plain fucking stupid and could be prevented with basic targeted tariffs,”

What you mean/know? I can’t get my head around what you are saying you know? What could be prevented? It’s all a jumble that makes no sense.

Clarify it can you?

Dude we have been over this before.

In an ideal world you catch the fish in one country you process it in that country, and then you sell it in that country, if you have excess you then sell it to other countries.

But in a crazy fucked up world you have shit like this happening.

"Caught in New Zealand, crumbed in China and packed here in Australia:

'Ridiculous' journey of this Coles fish which travelled 20,000km to end up on supermarket shelf

This is the extravagant journey of a Coles crumbed dory fillet

It was caught by New Zealand fisherman
Then it was shipped to China to be crumbed
And finally, was packaged and sold in Australia
Coles says it tries to source fish locally"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2796675/caught-new-zealand-cru…

To combat this you create disincentives with tariffs, and yes it means you dont get everything dirt cheap.

BTW. Tarrif's in this circumstance would be targeted, what Trump is doing and trying to achieve is much different and complex and about creating a major reset, it's a much different conversation.

stunet wrote:

indo-dreaming wrote:

but i do know that shit you support like catching fish in one country and sending it to another to be processed only to be sent back to the country caught in to be sold, is just plain fucking stupid and could be prevented with basic targeted tariffs,

It may be stupid but it's also free market orthodoxy which you've voted for and argued for on here since you began commenting. Minimal regulation, no government intervention, market decides yada yada yada...but now without a hint of irony you're calling it stupid.

Yes i generally believe in free markets, but not everything is black and white, and you can have too much of something, it's all about balance.

I like sugar, i like salt, but too much can also kill you.

It's the same deal with socialist style policy, im against total socialism, but i still believe in a basic safety like public health care, or other benefits etc

Its all about balance

What is it? Only 2 months in?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/05/anti-trump-protests-han…

indo-dreaming wrote:

stunet wrote:

indo-dreaming wrote:

but i do know that shit you support like catching fish in one country and sending it to another to be processed only to be sent back to the country caught in to be sold, is just plain fucking stupid and could be prevented with basic targeted tariffs,

It may be stupid but it's also free market orthodoxy which you've voted for and argued for on here since you began commenting. Minimal regulation, no government intervention, market decides yada yada yada...but now without a hint of irony you're calling it stupid.

Yes i generally believe in free markets, but not everything is black and white, and you can have too much of something, it's all about balance.

I like sugar, i like salt, but too much can also kill you.

It's the same deal with socialist style policy, im against total socialism, but i still believe in a basic safety like public health care, or other benefits etc

Its all about balance

I think you are quite confused with what tarrifs are and how they work....

But then again no surprise there.

indo-dreaming wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

indo-dreaming wrote:

@RK

Hate Trump all you like, but the guy is very strategic, he didn't become president again just by chance, he has some plan or strategy in place.

Again im not saying whatever he is doing is going to work, nobody really knows.

But i am interested in trying to understand what it is and listening to those that are much smarter than any of us here explaining what his strategy might be.

There is quite a few decent videos giving their take's now.

If you dont want to watch the whole video watch from 7:50 onwards (before that it was mostly just looking at how the Tariffs are calculated)

Indo, Can you explain ….” economics, but i do know that shit you support like catching fish in one country and sending it to another to be processed only to be sent back to the country caught in to be sold, is just plain fucking stupid and could be prevented with basic targeted tariffs,”

What you mean/know? I can’t get my head around what you are saying you know? What could be prevented? It’s all a jumble that makes no sense.

Clarify it can you?

Dude we have been over this before.

In an ideal world you catch the fish in one country you process it in that country, and then you sell it in that country, if you have excess you then sell it to other countries.

But in a crazy fucked up world you have shit like this happening.

"Caught in New Zealand, crumbed in China and packed here in Australia:

'Ridiculous' journey of this Coles fish which travelled 20,000km to end up on supermarket shelf

This is the extravagant journey of a Coles crumbed dory fillet

It was caught by New Zealand fisherman

Then it was shipped to China to be crumbed

And finally, was packaged and sold in Australia

Coles says it tries to source fish locally"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2796675/caught-new-zealand-cru…

To combat this you create disincentives with tariffs, and yes it means you dont get everything dirt cheap.

BTW. Tarrif's in this circumstance would be targeted, what Trump is doing and trying to achieve is much different and complex and about creating a major reset, it's a much different conversation.

You are using extremes now…not at all what I have said. You talk about others misquoting you yet here you are doing exactly the same to me. All to justify your lack of knowledge and as an excuse to not answer a question.

Lobsters, Maine, Canada, within a very short geographic location…but divided by a border. And your fix was the US should start their own processing plant.

indo-dreaming wrote:

stunet wrote:

indo-dreaming wrote:

but i do know that shit you support like catching fish in one country and sending it to another to be processed only to be sent back to the country caught in to be sold, is just plain fucking stupid and could be prevented with basic targeted tariffs,

It may be stupid but it's also free market orthodoxy which you've voted for and argued for on here since you began commenting. Minimal regulation, no government intervention, market decides yada yada yada...but now without a hint of irony you're calling it stupid.

Yes i generally believe in free markets, but not everything is black and white, and you can have too much of something.

I like sugar, i like salt, but too much can also kill you.

Nah mate, don't buy it. Not from the guy who for years has criticised govt regulation and who's unable to discern between social democracies and Stalin's Russia. If such tariffs or regulations were considered pre-Trump you and Green Room and GSCO and Optimist would've been screaming from the rooftops about a command economy and Communism on our doorstep.

indo-dreaming wrote:

stunet wrote:

indo-dreaming wrote:

but i do know that shit you support like catching fish in one country and sending it to another to be processed only to be sent back to the country caught in to be sold, is just plain fucking stupid and could be prevented with basic targeted tariffs,

It may be stupid but it's also free market orthodoxy which you've voted for and argued for on here since you began commenting. Minimal regulation, no government intervention, market decides yada yada yada...but now without a hint of irony you're calling it stupid.

Yes i generally believe in free markets, but not everything is black and white, and you can have too much of something, it's all about balance.

I like sugar, i like salt, but too much can also kill you.

It's the same deal with socialist style policy, im against total socialism, but i still believe in a basic safety like public health care, or other benefits etc

Its all about balance

Yea , but but but but but ….now it’s different.

Gold from Stu.

Fark…Indo really has been caught wanting.

Clueless, economically retarded, a maga man that is suckered into the Trump bubble of bullshit.

andy-mac wrote:

indo-dreaming wrote:

stunet wrote:

indo-dreaming wrote:

but i do know that shit you support like catching fish in one country and sending it to another to be processed only to be sent back to the country caught in to be sold, is just plain fucking stupid and could be prevented with basic targeted tariffs,

It may be stupid but it's also free market orthodoxy which you've voted for and argued for on here since you began commenting. Minimal regulation, no government intervention, market decides yada yada yada...but now without a hint of irony you're calling it stupid.

Yes i generally believe in free markets, but not everything is black and white, and you can have too much of something, it's all about balance.

I like sugar, i like salt, but too much can also kill you.

It's the same deal with socialist style policy, im against total socialism, but i still believe in a basic safety like public health care, or other benefits etc

Its all about balance

I think you are quite confused with what tarrifs are and how they work....

But then again no surprise there.

Yeah great more conceding bullshit.

I know what tariffs are and how they work and why.

What Trump is doing though with Tarrif's is much different, he is trying to basically do a big reboot of the system.

stunet wrote:

indo-dreaming wrote:

stunet wrote:

indo-dreaming wrote:

but i do know that shit you support like catching fish in one country and sending it to another to be processed only to be sent back to the country caught in to be sold, is just plain fucking stupid and could be prevented with basic targeted tariffs,

It may be stupid but it's also free market orthodoxy which you've voted for and argued for on here since you began commenting. Minimal regulation, no government intervention, market decides yada yada yada...but now without a hint of irony you're calling it stupid.

Yes i generally believe in free markets, but not everything is black and white, and you can have too much of something.

I like sugar, i like salt, but too much can also kill you.

Nah mate, don't buy it. Not from the guy who for years has criticised govt regulation and who's unable to discern between social democracies and Stalin's Russia. If such tariffs or regulations were considered pre-Trump you and Green Room and GSCO and Optimist would've been screaming from the rooftops about a command economy and Communism on our doorstep.

Ha ha not quite.

Roadkill wrote:

Fark…Indo really has been caught wanting.

Clueless, economically retarded, a maga man that is suckered into the Trump bubble of bullshit.

Whatever dude, you wont even bother to take the time to listen to other's(not me) that are explaining what Trumps strategy looks to be.

You are just hey, Trump sucks, he is stupid, has no strategy, he doesn't know what he is doing.

I know better, great you know better.

Not.

Hahahaha

It’s all about balance.

But in a crazy fucked up world…..

…you wont even bother to take the time to listen to other's that are explaining what Trumps strategy looks to be.

Hmmmmm …..other’s

indo-dreaming wrote:

andy-mac wrote:

indo-dreaming wrote:

stunet wrote:

indo-dreaming wrote:

but i do know that shit you support like catching fish in one country and sending it to another to be processed only to be sent back to the country caught in to be sold, is just plain fucking stupid and could be prevented with basic targeted tariffs,

It may be stupid but it's also free market orthodoxy which you've voted for and argued for on here since you began commenting. Minimal regulation, no government intervention, market decides yada yada yada...but now without a hint of irony you're calling it stupid.

Yes i generally believe in free markets, but not everything is black and white, and you can have too much of something, it's all about balance.

I like sugar, i like salt, but too much can also kill you.

It's the same deal with socialist style policy, im against total socialism, but i still believe in a basic safety like public health care, or other benefits etc

Its all about balance

I think you are quite confused with what tarrifs are and how they work....

But then again no surprise there.

Yeah great more conceding bullshit.

I know what tariffs are and how they work and why.

What Trump is doing though with Tarrif's is much different, he is trying to basically do a big reboot of the system.

Na indo, you think you know, that is the difference.....

….looks to be.

Is not a valid explanation of any sort of plan.

‘A giant reboot of the system’

Seems like something that would need to be planned, probably modelled and tested, etc etc. But you know that HASN’T happened at all. So, if this is what you think it is, and you’re happy with the objective, do you think the implementation might be a little…. Reckless?

The hilarious thing about this ‘reboot’ is that what the new system is supposed to look like hasn’t been explained to anyone.

I don’t think it’s going to look anything like what the new class of cheerleaders think it will.
Which I’m assuming is “kinda like the current one where I have shiny things like phones and big cars and TVs and go on holidays and can buy new fashionable clothes every year, but only better and I’m ‘richer’ and stuff, and there are won’t be any wars except the ones that we want in conveniently faraway shithole places full of different coloured people and we’ll just bomb them anyway”

But it won’t be anything like that and the dumb chucklefucks are too ideologically blinded to realise that putting the whole system (that the US created and largely benefits the US more than any other single country) into the blender is not something that has been planned out in any strategic sense and no one can actually predict what the end state is going to be - except that it is unlikely to deliver what the current system has.

But maybe eggs will be cheaper at some point?

indo-dreaming wrote:

Moonah wrote:

indo-dreaming wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

A Salty Dog wrote:

indo-dreaming wrote:

green room wrote:

The gigantic US asset price everything bubble, pumped up by crazy, outta-control Democrat-backed government spending and debt, just got busted wide open.

The Dems turned the stock market, housing prices, crypto—everything—into a monster pump-and-dump Ponzi scam with all that government dough and borrowing, pushing the US right to the edge of an economic and financial collapse.

The US is staring down a do-or-die moment. It’s this close to a total economic and financial failure, thanks to the Democrats’ wild spending and debt addiction, plus jacked-up global trade deals that keep the US bleeding cash with long-term, unsustainable trade deficits.

No way it could keep rollin’ like this forever. The longer it went on, the more painful the cure.

It was either let the US as we know it crash and burn, or pull back on the government debt and trade gaps.

Trump’s stepping up to save the day.

The Dems were basically committing big-time treason, and they need to pay for it.

100% agree.

You two should try and make contact with reality.

It’s like the economic illiterate leading the economic illiterate

Roadkill wrote:

It’s just so very obvious that Trump has NFI and is making it up as he goes and is enabled by morons, and supported by gullible clowns and cheered on by people with very little knowledge of financial/economic outcomes.

Roadkill wrote:

Optimist wrote:

Be interesting to see where all the stock market investment money ends up after the fire sale.

Could it be moving away from companies that have invested in manufacturing in China ( nearly everyone) and into new American manufacturing startups.

The factories are still all there….and so now is the money….just need renovating and re visioning…..even the unions are all on trumps side.

The people need to believe in themselves again and work through the painful bit.

They were about to go under big time and can’t keep living on the brink of total economic government shutdown at least once a year.

Like it or not….painful or not….outrageous or not ….something had to give.

Wow. I never thought SN would have someone dumber in basic economics than Indo.

Go to the top of the class, Opti.

By all means have your say but can you please fuck off with the condescending bullshit!

Look dude nobody really knows if trumps plan will work or not, you are going to get all kinds of views and opinions even from so called experts and even these so called expert's are wrong a lot of the time, great example was all these experts saying Covid was going to see a recession and the housing market collapse and then the exact opposite happened with housing prices going crazy.

But to say Trump has no plan and is making it up as he goes is just complete bullshit, you are just blinded by your bad case of Trump derangement syndrome.

He clearly has a plan that takes in many different aspects not just the economy, but a bigger picture of USA and it's relationship to the rest of the world, but again will that plan work, look we will have to wait and see.

BTW. Yeah i only have a basic understanding of economics, but i do know that shit you support like catching fish in one country and sending it to another to be processed only to be sent back to the country caught in to be sold, is just plain fucking stupid and could be prevented with basic targeted tariffs, and i also know that the course that the USA and other Western countries are on of racking up huge debt and spending more than they gain in tax revenue is stupid, or that relying on China for so much things including things we cant go without especially in a time of war, while also saying we might get involved in a war with China one day is also stupid.

The cretin who pays out on someone for their “shitty” taxi driver job has a go at someone for being condescending…..

Go play on the freeway oxygen thief……

Mate i dont know who you are, i expect either a doubled up profile or some serial pest like Facto, but all you ever seem to do is troll me.

So how about you fuck right off back into your hole.

Just bringing this to the fore. Yet another example of how thin skinned our resident cretinous cunt is. Loves to give, it cries when he gets it. Hope you’re day is going absolutely shithouse Indo.

Optimist wrote:

Be interesting to see where all the stock market investment money ends up after the fire sale.

Could it be moving away from companies that have invested in manufacturing in China ( nearly everyone) and into new American manufacturing startups.

The factories are still all there….and so now is the money….just need renovating and re visioning…..even the unions are all on trumps side.

The people need to believe in themselves again and work through the painful bit.

They were about to go under big time and can’t keep living on the brink of total economic government shutdown at least once a year.

Like it or not….painful or not….outrageous or not ….something had to give.

You can’t just walk in and turn the power on and boom..you have a manufacturing facility.

Old redundant and unused machinery won’t just magically restart. Most aged machinery is past its use by date.

So, who do you think will have the skills to work in these facilities? Where do you think the required new machinery will come from? Where will the engineers that set up the factories come from? Where will the maintenance engineers that keep the factories running come from? Who has the required skills to train operators and where will they come from? What about material change of use laws? What about the raw product needed to keep the new facilities running, where will that come from? All this to basically supply a domestic market as Trump has fucked any relationships with export markets…no one will be buying Made in USA now.

It’s more complex than what you appear to acknowledge or even understand.

Would love your insight into the above question.

soggydog wrote:

indo-dreaming wrote:

Moonah wrote:

indo-dreaming wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

A Salty Dog wrote:

indo-dreaming wrote:

green room wrote:

The gigantic US asset price everything bubble, pumped up by crazy, outta-control Democrat-backed government spending and debt, just got busted wide open.

The Dems turned the stock market, housing prices, crypto—everything—into a monster pump-and-dump Ponzi scam with all that government dough and borrowing, pushing the US right to the edge of an economic and financial collapse.

The US is staring down a do-or-die moment. It’s this close to a total economic and financial failure, thanks to the Democrats’ wild spending and debt addiction, plus jacked-up global trade deals that keep the US bleeding cash with long-term, unsustainable trade deficits.

No way it could keep rollin’ like this forever. The longer it went on, the more painful the cure.

It was either let the US as we know it crash and burn, or pull back on the government debt and trade gaps.

Trump’s stepping up to save the day.

The Dems were basically committing big-time treason, and they need to pay for it.

100% agree.

You two should try and make contact with reality.

It’s like the economic illiterate leading the economic illiterate

Roadkill wrote:

It’s just so very obvious that Trump has NFI and is making it up as he goes and is enabled by morons, and supported by gullible clowns and cheered on by people with very little knowledge of financial/economic outcomes.

Roadkill wrote:

Optimist wrote:

Be interesting to see where all the stock market investment money ends up after the fire sale.

Could it be moving away from companies that have invested in manufacturing in China ( nearly everyone) and into new American manufacturing startups.

The factories are still all there….and so now is the money….just need renovating and re visioning…..even the unions are all on trumps side.

The people need to believe in themselves again and work through the painful bit.

They were about to go under big time and can’t keep living on the brink of total economic government shutdown at least once a year.

Like it or not….painful or not….outrageous or not ….something had to give.

Wow. I never thought SN would have someone dumber in basic economics than Indo.

Go to the top of the class, Opti.

By all means have your say but can you please fuck off with the condescending bullshit!

Look dude nobody really knows if trumps plan will work or not, you are going to get all kinds of views and opinions even from so called experts and even these so called expert's are wrong a lot of the time, great example was all these experts saying Covid was going to see a recession and the housing market collapse and then the exact opposite happened with housing prices going crazy.

But to say Trump has no plan and is making it up as he goes is just complete bullshit, you are just blinded by your bad case of Trump derangement syndrome.

He clearly has a plan that takes in many different aspects not just the economy, but a bigger picture of USA and it's relationship to the rest of the world, but again will that plan work, look we will have to wait and see.

BTW. Yeah i only have a basic understanding of economics, but i do know that shit you support like catching fish in one country and sending it to another to be processed only to be sent back to the country caught in to be sold, is just plain fucking stupid and could be prevented with basic targeted tariffs, and i also know that the course that the USA and other Western countries are on of racking up huge debt and spending more than they gain in tax revenue is stupid, or that relying on China for so much things including things we cant go without especially in a time of war, while also saying we might get involved in a war with China one day is also stupid.

The cretin who pays out on someone for their “shitty” taxi driver job has a go at someone for being condescending…..

Go play on the freeway oxygen thief……

Mate i dont know who you are, i expect either a doubled up profile or some serial pest like Facto, but all you ever seem to do is troll me.

So how about you fuck right off back into your hole.

Just bringing this to the fore. Yet another example of how thin skinned our resident cretinous cunt is. Loves to give, it cries when he gets it. Hope you’re day is going absolutely shithouse Indo.

Indo also supports this sort of behaviour from Israel.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/05/phone-footage-appears-to-…

etarip wrote:

‘A giant reboot of the system’

Seems like something that would need to be planned, probably modelled and tested, etc etc. But you know that HASN’T happened at all. So, if this is what you think it is, and you’re happy with the objective, do you think the implementation might be a little…. Reckless?

The hilarious thing about this ‘reboot’ is that what the new system is supposed to look like hasn’t been explained to anyone.

I don’t think it’s going to look anything like what the new class of cheerleaders think it will.

Which I’m assuming is “kinda like the current one where I have shiny things like phones and big cars and TVs and go on holidays and can buy new fashionable clothes every year, but only better and I’m ‘richer’ and stuff, and there are won’t be any wars except the ones that we want in conveniently faraway shithole places full of different coloured people and we’ll just bomb them anyway”

But it won’t be anything like that and the dumb chucklefucks are too ideologically blinded to realise that putting the whole system (that the US created and largely benefits the US more than any other single country) into the blender is not something that has been planned out in any strategic sense and no one can actually predict what the end state is going to be - except that it is unlikely to deliver what the current system has.

But maybe eggs will be cheaper at some point?

Great post @etarip and spot on me thinks.

Well said etarip, the great shake-up...

southernraw wrote:

etarip wrote:

‘A giant reboot of the system’

Seems like something that would need to be planned, probably modelled and tested, etc etc. But you know that HASN’T happened at all. So, if this is what you think it is, and you’re happy with the objective, do you think the implementation might be a little…. Reckless?

The hilarious thing about this ‘reboot’ is that what the new system is supposed to look like hasn’t been explained to anyone.

I don’t think it’s going to look anything like what the new class of cheerleaders think it will.

Which I’m assuming is “kinda like the current one where I have shiny things like phones and big cars and TVs and go on holidays and can buy new fashionable clothes every year, but only better and I’m ‘richer’ and stuff, and there are won’t be any wars except the ones that we want in conveniently faraway shithole places full of different coloured people and we’ll just bomb them anyway”

But it won’t be anything like that and the dumb chucklefucks are too ideologically blinded to realise that putting the whole system (that the US created and largely benefits the US more than any other single country) into the blender is not something that has been planned out in any strategic sense and no one can actually predict what the end state is going to be - except that it is unlikely to deliver what the current system has.

But maybe eggs will be cheaper at some point?

Great post @etarip and spot on me thinks.

Agreed.

And you would think the ramifications of the Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act would give the average wanna be economist a rough idea of what was likely to happen.

The damage to the world economy caused by Trumps ignorance and vanity in his first 75 days is worse than the covid pandemic. He has started a trade war that he may well lose.
If Kamala had won, we would have seen her a few times smiling and spreading upbeat optimistic views for the future, the world would be business as usual, and my hard earned retirement super would be going up instead of being down about 35k.

I have no strong opinion on either of these blokes, but there's some interesting discussion on the intent and possible outcomes of Trump's trade policies.

Hiccups wrote:

soggydog wrote:

indo-dreaming wrote:

Moonah wrote:

indo-dreaming wrote:

Roadkill wrote:

A Salty Dog wrote:

indo-dreaming wrote:

green room wrote:

The gigantic US asset price everything bubble, pumped up by crazy, outta-control Democrat-backed government spending and debt, just got busted wide open.

The Dems turned the stock market, housing prices, crypto—everything—into a monster pump-and-dump Ponzi scam with all that government dough and borrowing, pushing the US right to the edge of an economic and financial collapse.

The US is staring down a do-or-die moment. It’s this close to a total economic and financial failure, thanks to the Democrats’ wild spending and debt addiction, plus jacked-up global trade deals that keep the US bleeding cash with long-term, unsustainable trade deficits.

No way it could keep rollin’ like this forever. The longer it went on, the more painful the cure.

It was either let the US as we know it crash and burn, or pull back on the government debt and trade gaps.

Trump’s stepping up to save the day.

The Dems were basically committing big-time treason, and they need to pay for it.

100% agree.

You two should try and make contact with reality.

It’s like the economic illiterate leading the economic illiterate

Roadkill wrote:

It’s just so very obvious that Trump has NFI and is making it up as he goes and is enabled by morons, and supported by gullible clowns and cheered on by people with very little knowledge of financial/economic outcomes.

Roadkill wrote:

Optimist wrote:

Be interesting to see where all the stock market investment money ends up after the fire sale.

Could it be moving away from companies that have invested in manufacturing in China ( nearly everyone) and into new American manufacturing startups.

The factories are still all there….and so now is the money….just need renovating and re visioning…..even the unions are all on trumps side.

The people need to believe in themselves again and work through the painful bit.

They were about to go under big time and can’t keep living on the brink of total economic government shutdown at least once a year.

Like it or not….painful or not….outrageous or not ….something had to give.

Wow. I never thought SN would have someone dumber in basic economics than Indo.

Go to the top of the class, Opti.

By all means have your say but can you please fuck off with the condescending bullshit!

Look dude nobody really knows if trumps plan will work or not, you are going to get all kinds of views and opinions even from so called experts and even these so called expert's are wrong a lot of the time, great example was all these experts saying Covid was going to see a recession and the housing market collapse and then the exact opposite happened with housing prices going crazy.

But to say Trump has no plan and is making it up as he goes is just complete bullshit, you are just blinded by your bad case of Trump derangement syndrome.

He clearly has a plan that takes in many different aspects not just the economy, but a bigger picture of USA and it's relationship to the rest of the world, but again will that plan work, look we will have to wait and see.

BTW. Yeah i only have a basic understanding of economics, but i do know that shit you support like catching fish in one country and sending it to another to be processed only to be sent back to the country caught in to be sold, is just plain fucking stupid and could be prevented with basic targeted tariffs, and i also know that the course that the USA and other Western countries are on of racking up huge debt and spending more than they gain in tax revenue is stupid, or that relying on China for so much things including things we cant go without especially in a time of war, while also saying we might get involved in a war with China one day is also stupid.

The cretin who pays out on someone for their “shitty” taxi driver job has a go at someone for being condescending…..

Go play on the freeway oxygen thief……

Mate i dont know who you are, i expect either a doubled up profile or some serial pest like Facto, but all you ever seem to do is troll me.

So how about you fuck right off back into your hole.

Just bringing this to the fore. Yet another example of how thin skinned our resident cretinous cunt is. Loves to give, it cries when he gets it. Hope you’re day is going absolutely shithouse Indo.

Indo also supports this sort of behaviour from Israel.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/05/phone-footage-appears-to-…

The most moral army on earth have a right to defend itself.

^^ True to form for these pseudo falsely self proclaimed (and serving) conservatives who are the fiercest defenders of the law, the courts, political conventions and societal and commercial norms right up to the second it doesn’t suit them politically, culturally or economically. Politically reactionary mixed with Christian (oxymoron) nationalism, forever loose with the truth, whatever it takes, what they said yesterday or will say tomorrow doesn’t matter. In Australia Morrison perfected it to an art form, in the UK we saw it with Brexit and now Trump. Yep, no surprise @info is and @opti are on board!

old-dog wrote:

The damage to the world economy caused by Trumps ignorance and vanity in his first 75 days is worse than the covid pandemic. He has started a trade war that he may well lose.

If Kamala had won, we would have seen her a few times smiling and spreading upbeat optimistic views for the future, the world would be business as usual, and my hard earned retirement super would be going up instead of being down about 35k.

I don't post much but have to comment on the fact that Trumps actions are contributing to the AUD tanking. Has hit a 5 year low now and could keep going down. Seeing that a LOT of goods are imported into Australia this will just cause prices to rise and add more pressure on cost of living and add pressure on small business. This will drive inflation and interest rates will stay put or could potentially rise again.
Ironically, the Trump lovers will be moaning about the cost of living and likely blaming the Aussie Govt.
I understand to some degree what Trump is trying to achieve but shifts in economic/financial policy need to be done incrementally to allow adjustments and management to not create major upheavals in markets(stockmarkets/Super funds) as is now happening. No wonder he's gone bust in his own businesses if this his MO.
As for the Trump lovers here, don't cry if and when the Aussie economy turns to custard.......

Jeez, wish I had more time on my hands to post here. This thread is a ripper ATM. Just had a read through, the Americans @esco and @Mick66, @etarip, @GuySmiley, @CMC, @andt mac, and Mr. @Stu himself, plenty more, some great commentary all you guys.
I've got a lot to say but no time to write it right now. Don't think I need to. You guys have it pretty covered. Happy to just read some great stuff.
Even @Roady, on fire mate.
Just wanted to say it's a great read.
I'll be back, soon I hope.

Donald Duck Trump is going well isn't he? Bibi the not a Hebrew Pole still killing kids and clearing land for real estate developers and settlers in the Levant..
Eh @Indo.?..you know Economics and tariffs too?... no end to your "expertise", Those podcasts you listen to are really doing it for you, PhD in podcasts too? Go hard mate.

Great thread.

CMC wrote:

old-dog wrote:

The damage to the world economy caused by Trumps ignorance and vanity in his first 75 days is worse than the covid pandemic. He has started a trade war that he may well lose.

If Kamala had won, we would have seen her a few times smiling and spreading upbeat optimistic views for the future, the world would be business as usual, and my hard earned retirement super would be going up instead of being down about 35k.

I don't post much but have to comment on the fact that Trumps actions are contributing to the AUD tanking. Has hit a 5 year low now and could keep going down. Seeing that a LOT of goods are imported into Australia this will just cause prices to rise and add more pressure on cost of living and add pressure on small business. This will drive inflation and interest rates will stay put or could potentially rise again.

Ironically, the Trump lovers will be moaning about the cost of living and likely blaming the Aussie Govt.

I understand to some degree what Trump is trying to achieve but shifts in economic/financial policy need to be done incrementally to allow adjustments and management to not create major upheavals in markets(stockmarkets/Super funds) as is now happening. No wonder he's gone bust in his own businesses if this his MO.

As for the Trump lovers here, don't cry if and when the Aussie economy turns to custard.......

The MAGA muppets will be the first to be bitching its all Labor's fault.

Win win for em....

Hopefully Australians see through the bs at the next election.....

The familiar yet undiscovered twang emanating from the cheeto brigade…

“ It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.”

- Mark Twain

Sprouts video was very interesting….did you watch it?…it explains a lot and makes very good sense.
There is method in the supposed madness…..take note Australia..
Trillions yes trillions already pledged into US manufacturing which by the way is a country that doesn't really need anyone…
…Watch in awe as companies move from China to the U.S.
Interesting times….pain at first but if it works….great gain.

Will the ‘ Don ‘ send in the stormtroopers ? https://apnews.com/article/trump-musk-doge-protests-hands-off-472c57430…

Interesting times…..

- when the mouthpiece is doing exactly what he’s apparently trying to stop.

All talk.
(Lies and hypocrisy = great pain)

Those captured by fantasy and who just talk the talk only follow those who can’t walk the walk ;)

https://www.nme.com/news/music/donald-trumps-maga-themed-guitars-are-re…

Supafreak wrote:

Will the ‘ Don ‘ send in the stormtroopers ? https://apnews.com/article/trump-musk-doge-protests-hands-off-472c57430…

As i noted a few weeks ago and was rubbished by some, the protests, will grow, are growing and are going to be hard to ignore for too long without either listening and bending to the will of the protesters, or yep, shoot em down and lock em up. Not hard to imagine the latter, especially if he gets his MAGA mob into a salivating murderous mentality....which won't be hard as history has shown.
Great to see all walks of life turning out and being heard.

another (former democrat) now trump billionaire backer, advising chicken little to calm down, a little

for now...

.@VDHanson makes a compelling case for the @realDonaldTrump tariff strategy, but gets one issue incorrect. He describes the Trump tariffs as reciprocal and proportional to those other nations have assessed on us.

In actuality, the Trump tariffs were set at levels substantially… https://t.co/WdKggDlVbD

— Bill Ackman (@BillAckman) April 5, 2025

he sees it like me, trump tariffs are an 'art of the deal' shot at the moon...

that will likely land somewhere more reasonable

like all things trumpy, you have to read between the lines, edit the ridiculous, and make some assumptions...

or you will lose your shit

bessent was (overtly) handing out the clues yesterday, basically saying... 'calm down, let it sink in, ...don't instantly retaliate... then get on the phone...'

seems the smart players are doing just that

(whilst the media whip up a storm of people losing their shit...

again...)

That type of talk by southern is only counter productive and inciting violence.
The people voted for change….let the change happen and ignore the negative divisive talk by troublemakers.
Why would the dems etc want to stir people up and start a civil war between people when the people protesting may possibly be a lot better off in a years time……the reason is they were hopeless in govt and still are.
They lost the vote….big spending cuts made to bring in money to support the U.S. during the radical changes. They need it now for the transition.
Nearly 4 trillion dollars already committed to the new manufacturing America and they have just got started….
Money pouring in from all over the world.
Jobs lost now in public service etc will be new jobs in the future.
The people have to be patient…..too many experts … not enough patience.

oh, wow. so is this what the orange glamour dust is about.. rankled bemoaners and indignant curmudgeons get some time in the sun, reborn as patient, calm-speak finger wagglers.. haha, awesome.

Optimist wrote:

That type of talk by southern is only counter productive and inciting violence.

The people voted for change….let the change happen and ignore the negative divisive talk by troublemakers.

Why would the dems etc want to stir people up and start a civil war between people when the people protesting may possibly be a lot better off in a years time……the reason is they were hopeless in govt and still are.

They lost the vote….big spending cuts made to bring in money to support the U.S. during the radical changes. They need it now for the transition.

Nearly 4 trillion dollars already committed to the new manufacturing America and they have just got started….

Money pouring in from all over the world.

Jobs lost now in public service etc will be new jobs in the future.

The people have to be patient…..too many experts … not enough patience.

Come on now Opti.
That's a bit extreme even by your stringent religous based views.
Are you saying protests should be banned now?
The pinnacle of democracy is having a voice.
And you're calling that divisive and inciting violence....incidentally the thing Trumps MAGA mob did.
That sounds pretty fucken delusional to me mate.....and the same sort of gaslighting that lets Trump get away with the shit he gets away with...with fools like yourself.

for the record, I think etarip's summary is probably spot on

but we have a choice...

the US had a choice...

you want more of the same?

more reckless printing of money to prop the old creaking lemon?

...printing of money that directly transfers (more) wealth to the top, whilst normies just get their wealth diluted?

you want to keep enriching china?

whilst white-anting all the wealth at home?

and perhaps the most important question...

you really want xi and friends as your ruler and overlords?

...or you want to back, and take a bet on, some domestic bad billionaire bros at home?

...being possibly (definitely) a bit more benevolent in your overlording......

thats 'definitely' for any one who's been paying attention

whether it works?

who wins the long game?

is anyone's guess...

but the choice is simple really

whichever one you choose...

Optimist wrote:

That type of talk by southern is only counter productive and inciting violence.

The people voted for change….let the change happen and ignore the negative divisive talk by troublemakers.

Why would the dems etc want to stir people up and start a civil war between people when the people protesting may possibly be a lot better off in a years time……the reason is they were hopeless in govt and still are.

They lost the vote….big spending cuts made to bring in money to support the U.S. during the radical changes. They need it now for the transition.

Nearly 4 trillion dollars already committed to the new manufacturing America and they have just got started….

Money pouring in from all over the world.

Jobs lost now in public service etc will be new jobs in the future.

The people have to be patient…..too many experts … not enough patience.

People voted for change, but that change should be through the constraints of the US constitution, which Trump and his minions are pissing on.

The wildest hypocrisy is all the lefties are now out here pushin' for free trade and zero tariffs. LMAO. ClownWorld.

Oh

The kind of clown world where weirdos pretend they’re from america, imitate a floridian dude drawl and harp on as though they are some yankee fella when they’re not…

Hmmm.
Clap away bozo toot toot ;)

&

“… That type of talk by southern is only counter productive and inciting violence. “

Whilst nothing is said about another 8 billion dollar weapons gift to i$rael.

#selectiveoutragecoupledwithselectiveincitementofviolenceyay

Choose your overlords blah blah blah

Optimist wrote:

That type of talk by southern is only counter productive and inciting violence.

The people voted for change….let the change happen and ignore the negative divisive talk by troublemakers.

Why would the dems etc want to stir people up and start a civil war between people when the people protesting may possibly be a lot better off in a years time……the reason is they were hopeless in govt

and still are.

They lost the vote….big spending cuts made to bring in money to support the U.S. during the radical changes. They need it now for the transition.

Nearly 4 trillion dollars already committed to the new manufacturing America and they have just got started….

Money pouring in from all over the world.

Jobs lost now in public service etc will be new jobs in the future.

The people have to be patient…..too many experts … not enough patience.

"Trillions of dollars" and "money poring in from all over the world" can you elaborate on that??

For what it's worth I don't consider myself an expert in anything but I do have 50 years of design and manufacturing experience and the last 25 of those running my own show.
Have dealt with manufacturing firms in UK, Germany and China after Australia lost it ability to remain competitive in the global market.
My experience tells me even if the US has plenty of money, if you don't have all the required raw materials and good partners to deliver those then it will be a monumental task and if you think it will all happen in 5 mins....good luck with that.
Considering the US is probably on the nose of many other countries at the moment they will struggle if they don't have raw materials and expertise.
I think Roadkill touched upon it earlier but there are many stages to get through before you have a proven finished product. This guy has less than 4 years (unless he appoints himself lifetime ruler like his mate Vlad) not a lot of time. That's reality mate but you seem to like to wave that USA flag and believe what you read and hear to suit your perspective.

tearymasseuse wrote:

Oh

The kind of clown world where weirdos pretend they’re from america, imitate a floridian dude drawl and harp on as though they are some yankee fella

haha, yep. nice we've got a couple of real USA citizens. Hope the new ones are dinkum ; )
'Lefties' I know are finding it hilarious but concerning. And as is the 'lefty' way
they are concerned that there's vulnerable people playing grist to the maga mill.
Can't believe Aus is divided as to whether Trump's a wanker or not, and there's clowns
championing an 'anything is better than what was happening' Joker manifesto.

Optimist wrote:

Sprouts video was very interesting….did you watch it?…it explains a lot and makes very good sense.

There is method in the supposed madness…..take note Australia..

Trillions yes trillions already pledged into US manufacturing which by the way is a country that doesn't really need anyone…

…Watch in awe as companies move from China to the U.S.

Interesting times….pain at first but if it works….great gain.

Obviously you will have facts and real evidence of this “trillions yes trillions”?

note…Trump saying it is not evidence.

Ps, I don’t expect a reply as facts are not a strong point of yours.

Optimist wrote:

That type of talk by southern is only counter productive and inciting violence.

The people voted for change….let the change happen and ignore the negative divisive talk by troublemakers.

Why would the dems etc want to stir people up and start a civil war between people when the people protesting may possibly be a lot better off in a years time……the reason is they were hopeless in govt and still are.

They lost the vote….big spending cuts made to bring in money to support the U.S. during the radical changes. They need it now for the transition.

Nearly 4 trillion dollars already committed to the new manufacturing America and they have just got started….

Money pouring in from all over the world.

Jobs lost now in public service etc will be new jobs in the future.

The people have to be patient…..too many experts … not enough patience.

Yep it's what people voted for, suggesting a government should "bend to the will of protestors" over the wishes of voters is very silly.

Protest are fine if they keep peaceful, the problem is in the USA as we know they can turn violent, looting, burning shit down etc

6th Oct, months long in 2020(2 billion damage), 1992 LA riots (1 billion damage), damaging Teslas etc