flollo wrote:

Trump finally found his trolling match

Perfect.

Next thing maga will want the immigrants back to work the low paid jobs.

gs-co wrote:

I think there’s only 2 reasons one could be against what the Republicans are trying to achieve in rebalancing the US’s books and trading arrangements:

1. You support the objectives but don’t agree with Trump and Musk’ wild, cavalier ways.

2. You don’t support the objectives but would rather see the financial and civilisational collapse of the West starting with the US.

I think there are many more reasons to object to the current actions by Trump if only it were so simple.

Most here would like to see change but killing world trade and supply chains wont fix anything.

When 60% of the US lives week to week (according to the Burnie) due to lack of regulation in regard to the unequal wealth distribution in the US (has it ever been greater?) current Trump policy wont change that.

Trumps idea of a good deal is he wins you lose that wont work between nations if you want peace and security with some semblance of law that's before you get to secure transactions that have confidence everyone gets paid.

Trump is a fool he has long sprouted this BS there will be a light after Trump of some sort still I trade markets occasionally I'll be looking for some bargains.

gs-co wrote:

Main problem with the article is it claims the tariffs are to bring back manufacturing.

There’s 3 things I’d say:

1. There’s a whole host of other initiatives alongside tariffs designed to bring back manufacturing to the US.

2. Manufacturing is not the only industry they are trying to bring back. Where I work has just moved its entire operation and most of its workforce back to the US, and has made a significant investment in doing so, and we’ve been met with open arms.

3. The tariffs are not solely or even predominantly aimed at bringing back manufacturing, but also have other aims (see below).

On the point of the US supposedly kicking everyone out of the country, rendering it with no workforce, well that’s complete nonsense. They are kicking out illegal migrant criminals. Along with ourselves, I know a lot of companies moving their operations to the US, across an interesting variety of sectors, and making huge investments in doing so, and we and they have been very welcomed.

Regarding point 3 above, the tariffs are also designed to:

- Generate govt income in order to, alongside the cost cutting of Doge, reduce down the unsustainable massive govt debt that is crippling the country.

- Reduce the tax burden on the everyday American worker by generating more govt revenue via tariffs. Part of this is also a nostalgia of late 19th century libertarianism when nearly the sole source of US govt income was tariffs, there was no income taxes, and there was no Federal Reserve (central bank), and yet the US flourished.

- Encourage countries to engage in fair and equal trade practices with the US. And the point here is it’s not just about other countries reducing tariffs. Unfair trade practices include hidden tariffs, government subsidies, cheap including slave labour, maintaining an artificially low exchange rate, little to no separation between govt and business, direct trade controls, etc.

The US is in an unsustainable debt situation and trading arrangement system and neither can continue on, like Dalio is saying. The US can’t continue to bleed money.

Both sides of US politics are equally complicit in its cause and in ignoring the problem. But it can’t be avoided any longer.

I think there’s only 2 reasons one could be against what the Republicans are trying to achieve in rebalancing the US’s books and trading arrangements:

1. You support the objectives but don’t agree with Trump and Musk’ wild, cavalier ways.

2. You don’t support the objectives but would rather see the financial and civilisational collapse of the West starting with the US.

You don’t support the objectives but would rather see the financial and civilisational collapse of the West starting with the US.

Straight out of Fox News copywriting dept.

Overly dramatic stuff

I'm plagiarising Ray Dalio and other commentators who draw strong parallels between the current US and the collapse of Rome, every Chinese imperial dynasty, etc. Honestly I wouldn't really know what Fox, CNN, etc, peddle.

Without ‘knowing’ ;)
- easier to go with the ‘us vs them’ doctrine.

Manufactured problems…
- not like it’s ever been done before ;)

Just like the ‘gentle reminder’ of the cause….. of the… situation.
- the real reminder is that the US has no one to blame but itself ;)

Memories…

Remember…

‘Liberation’ is about greater $ecurity
…peace
…stability
& control $$$

https://leadingtowar.com/

gs-co wrote:

I'm plagiarising Ray Dalio and other commentators who draw strong parallels between the current US and the collapse of Rome, every Chinese imperial dynasty, etc. Honestly I wouldn't really know what Fox, CNN, etc, peddle.

tbh, it's about time. Late stage capitalism ain't done much for us lately. However, I don't like to imagine what happens when the first superpower that's armed to the teeth with nuclear weapons goes under.

The human element

My concern has always been, what happens when the U.S. starts to crumble (more) and the massive corporations that really run the country start to get even more ruthless and mercenary.
I figure it's at that time that we find out what "you're either with us or against us" really means.

gs-co wrote:

I'm plagiarising Ray Dalio and other commentators who draw strong parallels between the current US and the collapse of Rome, every Chinese imperial dynasty, etc. Honestly I wouldn't really know what Fox, CNN, etc, peddle.

Yeah, those right wing podcasters
In Ancient Rome were so full of BS and propaganda ,
That’s where Foxus Newsus got it’s start.

AndyM wrote:

My concern has always been, what happens when the U.S. starts to crumble (more) and the massive corporations that really run the country start to get even more ruthless and mercenary.

I figure it's at that time that we find out what "you're either with us or against us" really means.

They'll finally stop making new episodes of The Simpsons, maybe.

Hey Sexxy, maybe you've noticed , maybe you haven't, but I'm deleting your comments that are simply version # 6,985 of what you wrote 18 months ago.

stunet wrote:

Hey Sexxy, maybe you've noticed , maybe you haven't, but I'm deleting your comments that are simply version # 6,985 of what you wrote 18 months ago.

Time for tariffs on posting! Could probably kiss goodbye to indo, though. Sad.

Supporters for Trump's tariffs are fascinating. They were all vocally against emergency powers during Covid times but they have no issues with Trump tariffing the whole world in the same way, using emergency powers. IEEPA as it's called (link below for ones who are keen) is weak and full of holes but it's intent is to allow president to impose economic sanctions against enemy countries, terrorist etc...With Trump tariffing the whole world he indirectly declared them all enemies and terrorists. Trump is not the only president to use this and the US can be stuck in emergency powers for decades. But regardless, seeing yesterday's libertarians and free market supporters cheer for the implementation of emergency powers is an extraordinary turn of events.

https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/R45618

stunet wrote:

Hey Sexxy, maybe you've noticed , maybe you haven't, but I'm deleting your comments that are simply version # 6,985 of what you wrote 18 months ago.

Was I actually posting 18 months ago
I started posting when you had an article on surfing in the arctic, when was that?
Which thread are you talking about?

Hiccups wrote:

stunet wrote:

Hey Sexxy, maybe you've noticed , maybe you haven't, but I'm deleting your comments that are simply version # 6,985 of what you wrote 18 months ago.

Time for tariffs on posting! Could probably kiss goodbye to indo, though. Sad.

Not sure what he’s talking about
I wasn’t interested in US politics 18 months ago

Trump’s breaking news , fark he loves the sound of his own voice , “ yes you’re right Mr. President “ he really does love to blow his own trumpet .

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Confusion wrote:

Not sure what he’s talking about

I wasn’t interested in US politics 18 months ago

hahaha.. faaark me, well... unreal.. 'I wish I'd known you then' to quote rod mckuen.

(please enjoy the below poem by rod mckuen @jef, he's one of those wooly pullover, earthy lifestyle, laurel canyon hippy fops that kinda found himself eventually as an ambiguous beardy popularist romantic. This is the only thing of his that I like. Lotta old dears liked his insipid warbling from 70s LPs.)

Gifts From the Sea (1967)

You see how easily we fit together,
as if God’s own hand had cradled only us
and this beach town’s population were but two
and this wide bed but a child’s cradle
with room enough left over for presents.

Tomorrow I’ll buy you presents.
Pomegranates and breadsticks,
tickets round the room and back
and red, red roses like everybody buys everybody.

Everybody’s got a diamond ring
And Sunday shoes.
Neckties and petticoats,
pistols and tennis balls.

What pleases you?
I’d hock my watch to buy you Greece
or sell my car to bring you rickshaws from Rangoon.

All they had down at the corner
were poppies with some lemon leaves.
They’ll have to do
till I can bring home Union Square.

I found a twenty-dollar bill when I was ten.
I bought a cardboard circus and a fountain pen
and a jackknife because I never had one before.
My mother thought I’d stolen the money.
I bought her perfume from the dime store,
She believed me then.

I was rich in those days,
for a week I had everything.

I wish I’d known you then.

Confusion wrote:

stunet wrote:

Hey Sexxy, maybe you've noticed , maybe you haven't, but I'm deleting your comments that are simply version # 6,985 of what you wrote 18 months ago.

Was I actually posting 18 months ago

I started posting when you had an article on surfing in the arctic, when was that?

Which thread are you talking about?

The first post I made on this USA thread was
The 7th of August 2024 at 12 .39 am
As far as I can see
Don’t rewrite my history.

Funny how you found that jeffy , so quickly jeffy but couldn’t find something I apparently definitely wrote about Tulsi . The thing about lies is you have to keep telling them to cover your story .Now you’re upset because you believe Stu has written something false about you ? Back to being the victim………again

Supafreak wrote:

Funny how you found that jeffy , so quickly jeffy but couldn’t find something I apparently definitely wrote about Tulsi . The thing about lies is you have to keep telling them to cover your story .Now you’re upset because you believe Stu has written something false about you ? Back to being the victim………again

The reason I didn’t bother looking for your post was because it wasn’t important and your not the admin
It wasn’t that easy to find,
You obviously have a really inflated opinion of your own importance, that’s why you keep yapping,
You don’t mean shit to me

Confusion wrote:

Confusion wrote:

stunet wrote:

Hey Sexxy, maybe you've noticed , maybe you haven't, but I'm deleting your comments that are simply version # 6,985 of what you wrote 18 months ago.

Was I actually posting 18 months ago

I started posting when you had an article on surfing in the arctic, when was that?

Which thread are you talking about?

The first post I made on this USA thread was

The 7th of August 2024 at 12 .39 am

As far as I can see

Don’t rewrite my history.

Confusion. Hi.

Who knows if you were or weren’t posting 18 months ago, you’ve had that many pseudonyms.
Were you also Chelsea ? on top of the whole suite of different names you’ve hidden behind, still befuddles me.
Question: What would you’ve been doing for the last six months if Trump had been previously assassinated ?
You’d of had nothing to talk about.

Question 2: If you had access to him, would you commit Trumpicide ? AW

AlfredWallace wrote:

Confusion wrote:

Confusion wrote:

stunet wrote:

Hey Sexxy, maybe you've noticed , maybe you haven't, but I'm deleting your comments that are simply version # 6,985 of what you wrote 18 months ago.

Was I actually posting 18 months ago

I started posting when you had an article on surfing in the arctic, when was that?

Which thread are you talking about?

The first post I made on this USA thread was

The 7th of August 2024 at 12 .39 am

As far as I can see

Don’t rewrite my history.

Confusion. Hi.

Who knows if you were or weren’t posting 18 months ago, you’ve had that many pseudonyms.

Were you also Chelsea ? on top of the whole suite of different names you’ve hidden behind, still befuddles me.

Question: What would you’ve been doing for the last six months if Trump had been previously assassinated ?

You’d of had nothing to talk about.

Question 2: If you had access to him, would you commit Trumpicide ? AW

Anyone can make any accusation they want and be happy in their own ignorance,
How do we know you weren’t Chelsea ,
I’m definitely going to make that accusation,
I know my first post on swellnet was just about a year ago, and you don’t know, but obviously you can be a turd if you want to.
I can see what happens to you if you hang around here too long,fooled by your own importance,
And yeah if Trump hadn’t been re nominated for the Republicans, I probably wouldn’t be dealing with you self important sociopaths,
And I would be doing what I was doing for the decades before that,
Not being insulted by commenters with their long term “issues “

you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave, @jef

Confusion wrote:

Supafreak wrote:

Funny how you found that jeffy , so quickly jeffy but couldn’t find something I apparently definitely wrote about Tulsi . The thing about lies is you have to keep telling them to cover your story .Now you’re upset because you believe Stu has written something false about you ? Back to being the victim………again

The reason I didn’t bother looking for your post was because it wasn’t important and your not the admin

It wasn’t that easy to find,

You obviously have a really inflated opinion of your own importance, that’s why you keep yapping,

You don’t mean shit to me

I even gave you the page number for that conversation about Tulsi and it showed that you were the one that actually said what you were accusing me of saying . Jeffy you constantly make shit up . Jeffy’s world is indeed a strange one .

basesix wrote:

you can check out any time you like, but you can never leave, @jef

The last thing you remember was running for
the door,
You had to find the passage back to the place you were before,

Supafreak wrote:

Confusion wrote:

Supafreak wrote:

Funny how you found that jeffy , so quickly jeffy but couldn’t find something I apparently definitely wrote about Tulsi . The thing about lies is you have to keep telling them to cover your story .Now you’re upset because you believe Stu has written something false about you ? Back to being the victim………again

The reason I didn’t bother looking for your post was because it wasn’t important and your not the admin

It wasn’t that easy to find,

You obviously have a really inflated opinion of your own importance, that’s why you keep yapping,

You don’t mean shit to me

I even gave you the page number for that conversation about Tulsi and it showed that you were the one that actually said what you were accusing me of saying . Jeffy you constantly make shit up . Jeffy’sh world is indeed a strange one .

What part of i remember what was said and your an insignificant waste of time,
don’t you get?
Funny how you guys with the perfect lifestyle are so bitter and twisted about the most meaningless things.

The "Presidential Emergency Satchel" AKA "the Nuclear football"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_football

The suitcase with nuclear codes that follows the president around everywhere.

Good thing Trump doesn't drink anymore.

Confusion wrote:

Supafreak wrote:

Confusion wrote:

Supafreak wrote:

Funny how you found that jeffy , so quickly jeffy but couldn’t find something I apparently definitely wrote about Tulsi . The thing about lies is you have to keep telling them to cover your story .Now you’re upset because you believe Stu has written something false about you ? Back to being the victim………again

The reason I didn’t bother looking for your post was because it wasn’t important and your not the admin

It wasn’t that easy to find,

You obviously have a really inflated opinion of your own importance, that’s why you keep yapping,

You don’t mean shit to me

I even gave you the page number for that conversation about Tulsi and it showed that you were the one that actually said what you were accusing me of saying . Jeffy you constantly make shit up . Jeffy’sh world is indeed a strange one .

What part of i remember what was said and your an insignificant waste of time,

don’t you get?

Funny how you guys with the perfect lifestyle are so bitter and twisted about the most meaningless things.

Hahahaha breathe jeffy , half the time you can’t remember what you wrote 5 minutes ago . Classic.

Supafreak wrote:

Confusion wrote:

Supafreak wrote:

Confusion wrote:

Supafreak wrote:

Funny how you found that jeffy , so quickly jeffy but couldn’t find something I apparently definitely wrote about Tulsi . The thing about lies is you have to keep telling them to cover your story .Now you’re upset because you believe Stu has written something false about you ? Back to being the victim………again

The reason I didn’t bother looking for your post was because it wasn’t important and your not the admin

It wasn’t that easy to find,

You obviously have a really inflated opinion of your own importance, that’s why you keep yapping,

You don’t mean shit to me

I even gave you the page number for that conversation about Tulsi and it showed that you were the one that actually said what you were accusing me of saying . Jeffy you constantly make shit up . Jeffy’sh world is indeed a strange one .

What part of i remember what was said and your an insignificant waste of time,

don’t you get?

Funny how you guys with the perfect lifestyle are so bitter and twisted about the most meaningless things.

Hahahaha breathe jeffy , half the time you can’t remember what you wrote 5 minutes ago . Classic.

Ha ha and your so strangely obsessed with a few words months ago, You’ve definitely got some long term issues there, which I’m not qualified to diagnose ?
Classic

I’m not the one posting 22 times in 24 hours about trump and then saying you only watch you tube for fun . Do you understand TDS ? More BS from story time with jeffy .

Jefrey with two XXs, a bit of projection possibly?

Supafreak wrote:

I’m not the one posting 22 times in 24 hours about trump and then saying you only watch you tube for fun . Do you understand TDS ? More BS from story time with jeffy .

Yeah I understand TDS , it’s the only thing you’ve learned in the last 6 months,
Because you keep mentioning it like it’s this amazing new concept that you’ve just discovered,
Ha ha that is funny,
So funny it stops me getting TDS
Haha

seeds wrote:

Jefrey with two XXs, a bit of projection possibly?

Another recreation of @ seeds
Epic Ipswich to Clayfield wipeout !

Yep, it was pretty much like that!

seeds wrote:

Yep, it was pretty much like that!

At least you had a crack seeds , beats sitting on a cab rank .

Haha, no regrets just lessons learnt.
How’s old Sexxy holding something a stupid, drunken 19 year old did 30+ years ago against him.
What a miserable carrot cake.

seeds wrote:

Haha, no regrets just lessons learnt.

How’s old Sexxy holding something a stupid, drunken 19 year old did 30+ years ago against him.

What a miserable carrot cake.

Yeah but he’s not obsessed with what is said and done in the past hahaha . He needs some tissues for his issues .

seeds wrote:

Haha, no regrets just lessons learnt.

How’s old Sexxy holding something a stupid, drunken 19 year old did 30+ years ago against him.

What a miserable carrot cake.

And how’s @ seeds
Wants to keep bringing up an old pseudonym
that was someone else’s email address anyway,
How pathetic is that?
You wanna keep bringing up an old pseudonym and holding it against me,
but sooks if someone else brings up the past as well
How entitled are you.

Supafreak wrote:

seeds wrote:

Haha, no regrets just lessons learnt.

How’s old Sexxy holding something a stupid, drunken 19 year old did 30+ years ago against him.

What a miserable carrot cake.

Yeah but he’s not obsessed with what is said and done in the past hahaha . He needs some tissues for his issues .

Oh well at least you last of the pile on guys can give each other a hug
While you keep bringing up old pseudonyms that you got a giggle out of ,
Both stuck in your primary school issues.
But hey you can’t be wrong.

You’re stealing peoples email names for your own pseudonym? EroticJeff how could you?

Oh not the “ pile on “ victim card again , that hands been way overplayed .

seeds wrote:

You’re stealing peoples email names for your own pseudonym? EroticJeff how could you?

There you go again, they gave me the email address to use, which they copied off some famous blogger,
You don’t learn , because you have to keep having a go , at an out of date pseudonym
Which triggered you in the past.
If you don’t like people bringing up the past,
Don’t do it yourself ???
And when you log on they automatically use your email address as a profile name
It shouldn’t be too hard to work out.

What is happening here? Confusion is on another level with 10+ posts in these last few hours. He is now double confused. He should rename himself to ConfusedX2.

flollo wrote:

What is happening here? Confusion is on another level with 10+ posts in these last few hours. He is now double confused. He should rename himself to ConfusedX2.

I used to be a defender at soccer.

I don’t know much about that Jeff. I signed up donkeys ago with seeds and my real email.
One things for sure I’m not triggered by any of your pseudonyms. Jeez you jump to some conclusions.

"China announces 84 per cent tariff on US goods from Thursday as trade war escalates".

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-04-09/china-announces-84-per-cent-tari…

I was just reading that. I would love to have a detailed list of import exports between the US and China. And any other country.
What does China import from the US? Grains/beef and other agricultural products or is it far more extensive?

If only there were more leaders like old mate.

Just out of curiosity, do any of these huge tariffs apply to military hardware? Not hearing that being mentioned anywhere...not that i've been looking too hard.