;)

;);)

@adam12 Wow that’s interesting.
And yes I agree the government of the time acted similarly. They put it on the victim to prove their innocence. Exactly the opposite of the law where the police prosecutor has the onus to prove the guilt.

adam12 wrote:

@Seeds said "That’s not the purpose of the NACC. It’s the conduct of our officials that is their business. Sounds like they are toothless even though they were supposed have big fuck off saber teeth this time."

I probably shouldn't say this but there has been a lot of water under the bridge since then and I don't really care anymore.

Back in the late '80's when I was on King St there were gangsters and OMCG's who would just show up at a business and say "You owe me 20 grand". Alphonse Gangitano was notorious for it. In fact Gangitano was killed for wanting to plead guilty when he was charged for doing it to a club just down the road from mine, while his co accused and the guy who killed him, Jason Moran, didn't want to go back to jail or plead guilty for it so he shot him. Part of the "Underbelly" wars.

I was no gangster, no tough guy, and these pricks all scared the shit out of me. So when I took over the business I had to form an unofficial but well known "street" partnership with Mick Gatto to protect me and my business and keep these thugs away from me. The cops were next to useless to protect me. It worked. Gatto was good to me. It cost me just under $70K over a couple of years and I never had a "visit".

I don't see much difference between what these gangsters used to do and what our government did to the victims of Robodebt. Invent a debt and then make threats about the consequences of not paying.

It's the same fucking thing.

there's a few on here that could do with a visit from Mick Gatto lol ;)
joking of course for those with zero sense of humour lol

more YouTube blockers above lol ;)
gotta be quick

.... 'zero sense of humour' lol, that's u lol lololol

& @adam12:
"I don't see much difference between what these gangsters used to do and what our government did to the victims of Robodebt. Invent a debt and then make threats about the consequences of not paying.
It's the same fucking thing."

^ yep ;)

adam12 wrote:

So the news has just broken that the NACC has declined to investigate the 6 referrals from the Robodebt Royal Commission for corrupt conduct.

So no consequences for the politicians and public servants that created false debts and pursued people with debt collectors and threats of jail, 2000 of those people took their own lives.

Like the Banking Royal Commission, where all the findings and recommendations were never acted on, we have another white elephant.

Australia sits 14th out of 180 on the global corruption index 2023, with a score of 75. The average score is 43.

Time to downgrade that rating.

These people get away with things that you and I would be in jail for.

I can't just invent a debt and sick the dogs on someone.

It's called fraud and making threats with menaces.

It's in the Crimes Act.

We live in a shit country in many respects.

This is a disgrace.
Labor promised a corruption commission with teeth, well there we go.
Beyond words how pissed off I am with this news.

Me too Mr Mac. Doesn’t bode well for future investigations.

Shouldn’t of voted labor lol country has never been any good under them.

Hey all…. got called away for a coupla days. So this is stale now… but i saw a coupla guys run (not too far) with my Bruce Springsteen comments.
Lemme explain to ya…
A populist movement can only exist in the vacuum of ill will to authority. ‘the country has gone to hell, and only we can save it.’
Listen to/read the Republican rhetoric…. ‘this has become a third world country’ is the messaging.
I have no gripe with conservatives or conservative thinking. I view it as vital. No more or less than progressive thinking.
The right has been hijacked by a populist movement.
It coulda been the left that was hijacked… but it happened to be the right.
So, a populist movement has to deconstruct, to the best of it’s ability, the trappings of the society it is trying to tear down.
Bruce Springsteen is an easy target for this form of Red Meat.
He has publicly opposed trump.
Go ahead and investigate some more, Indo.
You’ll see the target he has become.
I am not sticking up for Bruce Springsteen.
He doesn’t need it, anyway.
Jus shinin a light on a movement and how it moves.

ashsam wrote:

Shouldn’t of voted labor lol country has never been any good under them.

Well enlighten us carrot cake. Who the hell are you voting for now you don’t vote Liberal? What right wing racist nationalist party are you voting for? You sure aren’t voting for the Greens or some leftist independent.

Hi Waxxy!

Wax on!

;)

great personality and songwriter.. the only criticism I'd rate a bit on brucie is this kinda thing regarding his folk expressions (which I enjoyed).. his faux southern drawl.. but then, we pump out aussies who love that stuff, like nick cave and kasey chambers, so we'd be the last country to be justified in poking criticism at such things..
https://artsfuse.org/181/faux-folk/

wax24 wrote:

Hey all…. got called away for a coupla days. So this is stale now… but i saw a coupla guys run (not too far) with my Bruce Springsteen comments.

Lemme explain to ya…

A populist movement can only exist in the vacuum of ill will to authority. ‘the country has gone to hell, and only we can save it.’

Listen to/read the Republican rhetoric…. ‘this has become a third world country’ is the messaging.

I have no gripe with conservatives or conservative thinking. I view it as vital. No more or less than progressive thinking.

The right has been hijacked by a populist movement.

It coulda been the left that was hijacked… but it happened to be the right.

So, a populist movement has to deconstruct, to the best of it’s ability, the trappings of the society it is trying to tear down.

Bruce Springsteen is an easy target for this form of Red Meat.

He has publicly opposed trump.

Go ahead and investigate some more, Indo.

You’ll see the target he has become.

I am not sticking up for Bruce Springsteen.

He doesn’t need it, anyway.

Jus shinin a light on a movement and how it moves.

G'day waxy.
I had seen your post and had also seen the dissing of Bruce by the MAGAs.
They have the same, maybe even more visceral, reaction to Taylor Swift.
Then there's De Niro. I've been enjoying some of his work in the anti Trump space for a while now.
Never mind Tyson v Jake Paul, Trump v DeNiro is the bout I'd pay to see!
Populism is on the rise elsewhere, not just the USA.
A disturbing trend.
But when millions feel disenfranchised by the political system, that it is ignoring them and gives them nothing, it's ripe pickings for a populist like Trump.
Can't tell you how surprised and disappointed I was that American democracy proved to be so febrile that it not just elected a guy like Trump as President, but so far has been unable to hold him accountable. That he's probably going to get in again.
God help the free world.
Never mind the porn star payment cover up or even the election interference or the stolen classified files or the matters leading to his impeachments. I saw with my own eyes an insurrection, led by him, a violent attack on Congress, with gallows, an attempt to seize power an overturn an American election.
Never thought I would ever see that.
Seems everyone except Trump got jail time for that.
Seems Trump is like an orange Rorschach blot. Everyone sees and hears something different.
I see a wannabe dictator clown and hear the robot from Lost In Space... "Danger...Danger Will Robinson".
Anyway, back to Bruce. I follow his guitar player and Silvio the Consigliere from the Sopranos, Stevie Van Zandt on twitter. Such a cool dude.
And my favorite Springsteen track, the one he got an Oscar for...

Not quite the "Streets of San Francisco", where you are from, but I was also a big fan of that show when I was a kid. Karl Malden and a young Michael Douglas. Great show.
Hope you are cruisin' Waxy24.

basesix wrote:

great personality and songwriter.. the only criticism I'd rate a bit on brucie is this kinda thing regarding his folk expressions (which I enjoyed).. his faux southern drawl.. but then, we pump out aussies who love that stuff, like nick cave and kasey chambers, so we'd be the last country to be justified in poking criticism at such things..

https://artsfuse.org/181/faux-folk/

I only really got into his stuff up to Born in the USA...
Born in USA was first I heard of him, but worked my way backwards....
Wasn't always a stadium rock star

yeh, he's a total thing @andy, tom waits is not to everyone's taste, but he and kathleen have a great grapple on the US storytelling landscape, saying he was doing in LA what Bruce was doing in the east, and that LA storytelling is in good hands with Beck.. I enjoyed your Pogues' post, have you listened to Springsteen's Seeger sessions and latter day folk.. what do you reckon?

seeds wrote:

ashsam wrote:

Shouldn’t of voted labor lol country has never been any good under them.

Well enlighten us carrot cake. Who the hell are you voting for now you don’t vote Liberal? What right wing racist nationalist party are you voting for? You sure aren’t voting for the Greens or some leftist independent.

Don’t know seeds who do you recommend?
Is there a get rid of belly party lol ;)

You don’t have to vote for anyone done that before.

Glad I didn’t vote labor though, not rocket science to see what they were going to do. Same old.

You’re not white privileged? A woker like SR?

adam12 wrote:

wax24 wrote:

Hey all…. got called away for a coupla days. So this is stale now… but i saw a coupla guys run (not too far) with my Bruce Springsteen comments.

Lemme explain to ya…

A populist movement can only exist in the vacuum of ill will to authority. ‘the country has gone to hell, and only we can save it.’

Listen to/read the Republican rhetoric…. ‘this has become a third world country’ is the messaging.

I have no gripe with conservatives or conservative thinking. I view it as vital. No more or less than progressive thinking.

The right has been hijacked by a populist movement.

It coulda been the left that was hijacked… but it happened to be the right.

So, a populist movement has to deconstruct, to the best of it’s ability, the trappings of the society it is trying to tear down.

Bruce Springsteen is an easy target for this form of Red Meat.

He has publicly opposed trump.

Go ahead and investigate some more, Indo.

You’ll see the target he has become.

I am not sticking up for Bruce Springsteen.

He doesn’t need it, anyway.

Jus shinin a light on a movement and how it moves.

G'day waxy.

I had seen your post and had also seen the dissing of Bruce by the MAGAs.

They have the same, maybe even more visceral, reaction to Taylor Swift.

Then there's De Niro. I've been enjoying some of his work in the anti Trump space for a while now.

Never mind Tyson v Jake Paul, Trump v DeNiro is the bout I'd pay to see!

Populism is on the rise elsewhere, not just the USA.

A disturbing trend.

But when millions feel disenfranchised by the political system, that it is ignoring them and gives them nothing, it's ripe pickings for a populist like Trump.

Can't tell you how surprised and disappointed I was that American democracy proved to be so febrile that it not just elected a guy like Trump as President, but so far has been unable to hold him accountable. That he's probably going to get in again.

God help the free world.

Never mind the porn star payment cover up or even the election interference or the stolen classified files or the matters leading to his impeachments. I saw with my own eyes an insurrection, led by him, a violent attack on Congress, with gallows, an attempt to seize power an overturn an American election.

Never thought I would ever see that.

Seems everyone except Trump got jail time for that.

Seems Trump is like an orange Rorschach blot. Everyone sees and hears something different.

I see a wannabe dictator clown and hear the robot from Lost In Space... "Danger...Danger Will Robinson".

Anyway, back to Bruce. I follow his guitar player and Silvio the Consigliere from the Sopranos, Stevie Van Zandt on twitter. Such a cool dude.

And my favorite Springsteen track, the one he got an Oscar for...

Not quite the "Streets of San Francisco", where you are from, but I was also a big fan of that show when I was a kid. Karl Malden and a young Michael Douglas. Great show.

Hope you are cruisin' Waxy24.

Check out Little Steven in clip I posted...

Thanks Mr Mac that was great. Couldn’t stand the carrot cake but you’ve given me reason to reconsider.

basesix wrote:

yeh, he's a total thing @andy, tom waits is not to everyone's taste, but he and kathleen have a great grapple on the US storytelling landscape, saying he was doing in LA what Bruce was doing in the east, and that LA storytelling is in good hands with Beck.. I enjoyed your Pogues' post, have you listened to Springsteen's Seeger sessions and latter day folk.. what do you reckon?

No not yet.
Might be a project for weekend...
Enjoyed his Netflix Broadway thing, really talented story teller / singer.
I get why some don't like him, but in the 70's with him and the E Street band in full flight live must have been something else.

wax24 wrote:

Hey all…. got called away for a coupla days. So this is stale now… but i saw a coupla guys run (not too far) with my Bruce Springsteen comments.

Lemme explain to ya…

A populist movement can only exist in the vacuum of ill will to authority. ‘the country has gone to hell, and only we can save it.’

Listen to/read the Republican rhetoric…. ‘this has become a third world country’ is the messaging.

I have no gripe with conservatives or conservative thinking. I view it as vital. No more or less than progressive thinking.

The right has been hijacked by a populist movement.

It coulda been the left that was hijacked… but it happened to be the right.

So, a populist movement has to deconstruct, to the best of it’s ability, the trappings of the society it is trying to tear down.

Bruce Springsteen is an easy target for this form of Red Meat.

He has publicly opposed trump.

Go ahead and investigate some more, Indo.

You’ll see the target he has become.

I am not sticking up for Bruce Springsteen.

He doesn’t need it, anyway.

Jus shinin a light on a movement and how it moves.

Hey Waxie,
Little doco on one of Australia's most loved bands.

Australian politics kinda sucks but it would suck even more living in a country where you have political dynasties, IMHO Trump was needed to give things a good shake up and he did a great job at doing so but i didnt like how he handled the last election results though and I would have much preferred if he didnt run this time and he instead backed Ron Destantis, i just hope he backs Ron in the future if he runs again.

But now its Trump vs Biden I really hope Trump wins again, just for the sake of Israel, but i think its unlikely the first time they didn't take him seriously and thought he had no chance but now its much harder, so many forces trying to take him out.

As for the Boss and other celebrities having their two cents worth, its all of little value really but it is sad that people might vote based on how a celebrity votes.

andy mac said "Check out Little Steven in clip I posted..."

Wow! never seen that clip before. Bruce has aged pretty well but Stevie, FMD, didn't even recognise him!
But what a guy. Imagine being in one of the greatest rock'n'roll bands of all time, right hand man to Bruce Sprinsteen, then with no acting background or experience, going on to be the right hand man of Tony Soprano/ James Gandolfini, one of the greatest actors of all time, in one of the greatest TV shows of all time.
Plus he's got plenty of other strings to his bow..
Epic.

adam12 wrote:

@AW, gold, wordsmith, I'm going to compliment you in a very Australian way, but so it won't pollute the header page,.................................................................................................................................................................................... ....................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... you're a funny cunt AW.

Adam12. Hello, hope you’re well.

At the end of the day, we are here for a good time, let’s call it our form of the Expression Session, but without the surfboards and the waves.

I liked Stunets comment yesterday , ‘ offence ‘ is received and taken not given. Very good.

Ultimately, we are all ‘fowl mouthed ‘paltry’, scratching around on the detritus floor of the Swellnet chook pen. Bok.Bok.Bok….its truly and only the Australian way. AW

;)

big difference between the east coast and sth aus, is we speak more proper..
you say 'straya', we say 'straiwya'..

Yep. Speech impediments abound

@Aw, yep, bok,bok,bok.
But who are the chickens and who are the roosters???
and who is fowl???

Anyway, couldn't let the Bruce Springsteen discussion not include this clip from Graham Norton's show.
An insight into the man...

Hey guys and wax24 I like to think that this parody was reflective of the Australia of my early childhood where everybody was given “a go” if you “rolled up your sleeves and worked hard”. Still remember my dear father laughing his socks off watching it. Set in a kinder gentler time.

One of my favourite movies @guy

adam12 wrote:

@Aw, yep, bok,bok,bok.

But who are the chickens and who are the roosters???

and who is fowl???

Anyway, couldn't let the Bruce Springsteen discussion not include this clip from Graham Norton's show.

An insight into the man...

That's classic!
His biography is worth a read if you haven't already done so.

Have you read the book Guy? John O'Grady wrote it under the nom de plume Nino Cullota. He also wrote a sequel with the characters from the first book called Gone Fishin'. I think you'd enjoy them. Light reading but fun and yes, a memory from gentler times.

andy-mac wrote:

adam12 wrote:

@Aw, yep, bok,bok,bok.

But who are the chickens and who are the roosters???

and who is fowl???

Anyway, couldn't let the Bruce Springsteen discussion not include this clip from Graham Norton's show.

An insight into the man...

That's classic!

His biography is worth a read if you haven't already done so.

It's on the list andy.
Right now I'm working my way through "Plans For Your Good: A Prime Minister's Testimony of God's Faithfulness" by Scott Morrison.
I'm halfway through it, the pages tear off pretty well but it's rough as hell wiping my butt.
But cheaper than sorbent.
I'm not sure what the words in it are, just drilled a hole in it so I can hang it on the dunny roll holder.
Probably a dozen or so more bowel movements and I will have finished it.

zenagain wrote:

Have you read the book Guy? John O'Grady wrote it under the nom de plume Nino Cullota. He also wrote a sequel with the characters from the first book called Gone Fishin'. I think you'd enjoy them. Light reading but fun and yes, a memory from gentler times.

Thanks Zen for the heads up

@adam12 Haha that’s so funny. I was aghast with your first sentence. Hehehe got me good

@Guy Smiley,
You can't go recommending "They're a Weird Mob" to a seppo without also recommending "Wake In Fright", the movie or the book.
Ying and yang of Australian 20th century culture.
Waxy will never want to come here though once he sees that.

seeds wrote:

@adam12 Haha that’s so funny. I was aghast with your first sentence. Hehehe got me good

My grandmother used to buy the Australian specifically for the same purpose adam12
^^ ooops, my bad adam12 :)

Here ya go Waxxy. Could fill in a night shift.

GuySmiley wrote:

seeds wrote:

@adam12 Haha that’s so funny. I was aghast with your first sentence. Hehehe got me good

My grandmother used to buy the Australian specifically for the same purpose adam12

^^ ooops, my bad adam12 :)

@Guy, I found the Oz a bit too shiny and doesn't scrunch up that good. But man, the Herald Sun, now that is some good shit paper.
True story, when my dog used to piss on the carpet, a Herald Sun with a 10lb dumbell weight sitting on it, wait an hour and viola, no mess charlie. It's absorbancy is second to none.
Good for that and not much else though.

seeds wrote:

Here ya go Waxxy. Could fill in a night shift.

sorry seeds, but that's a shocking pirate recording, camera on an angle, screen glare, etc.. I wouldn't say anything, but the National Film and Sound Archive spent a million bucks restoring the film, reckon @wax should invest in the NFSA dvd, if he likes the gist from your post..

You guys seem to be having fun, excuse the econ nerd chart:

https://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2024/06/australian-industry-contracts-…

Check out the first chart, GDP growth - it's taken out the GFC low, is on the way to the lockdown lows (with everything open), but next stop is the 1991 recession low at -2%. If it takes out that how about a bit of cosplay, the challenge will be to wear flannel for a week.

adam12 wrote:

andy-mac wrote:

adam12 wrote:

@Aw, yep, bok,bok,bok.

But who are the chickens and who are the roosters???

and who is fowl???

Anyway, couldn't let the Bruce Springsteen discussion not include this clip from Graham Norton's show.

An insight into the man...

That's classic!

His biography is worth a read if you haven't already done so.

It's on the list andy.

Right now I'm working my way through "Plans For Your Good: A Prime Minister's Testimony of God's Faithfulness" by Scott Morrison.

I'm halfway through it, the pages tear off pretty well but it's rough as hell wiping my butt.

But cheaper than sorbent.

I'm not sure what the words in it are, just drilled a hole in it so I can hang it on the dunny roll holder.

Probably a dozen or so more bowel movements and I will have finished it.

Haha, wouldn't be putting that book anywhere near me!

This is pretty funny... Before my time but classic.

basesix wrote:

seeds wrote:

Here ya go Waxxy. Could fill in a night shift.

sorry seeds, but that's a shocking pirate recording, camera on an angle, screen glare, etc.. I wouldn't say anything, but the National Film and Sound Archive spent a million bucks restoring the film, reckon @wax should invest in the NFSA dvd, if he likes the gist from your post..

Haha you noticed. Chiropractor appointment needed after.

None the less it’s the only version Wax is gunna see!

andy-mac wrote:

This is pretty funny... Before my time but classic.

Andy-Mac. Hi mate.

That’s movie is gold. Its depicts exactly what goes on at an Australian party as the night progresses and the booze takes over.
I’ve been to party’s roughly like that.
Thanks for bringing back the memories.

‘If the fucking Smiths or Johnsons( can’t remember the the correct name) can afford to go to Japan for their holidays, well fuck em, we can swim in their pool whilst they’re away’.
Pretty good shots of that bird in the pool, my tongues dragging on the ground just thinking about it, good stuff. AW

seeds wrote:

None the less it’s the only version Wax is gunna see!

yeh true, and I'm sure the 'close-framing angled-handycam screen-glare pirate-version' is not without its charm in terms of making the viewer feel vulnerable and ill at ease, a la Lars Von Trier and his hand-held tight-shot cronies..

Oh come on man, I want to go to bed. Now I’ve gotta look up Lars Von Trier. Ha

man, you think you've got it tough, I have to work out how work can make me be in melbourne in 3 weeks for Vovos and Unicorns before tomorrow!