*World News
{ Australia Say No to Indigenous Rights }
{ Australian's Say No to Indigenous Rights }
[ Australia Say No to Referendum on Human Rights ]
{ Australia Votes against recognizing Indigenous Population }
[ Australia Rejects Greater Rights for Indigenous ]
{ Crushing Indigenous Hopes }
[ Major Setback for Country ]
{ Blow to Aboriginal Australians }
[ Inflict Lasting Damage on First Nation ]
{ Major Setback for Reconciliation } #1 Syndicated Headline
{ Major setback to Country's efforts for reconciliation with it's First Peoples }
{ Australian Voters Reject greater Indigenous Rights }...Country's Brexit Moment
{ Australia say No to more say for Indigenous People }
{ Defeat will be seen as a Setback to ongoing struggle for Reconciliation }
{ Heartbreaking Result }
{ Why did Australia Vote NO }

Murdoch WTF.
Doomsday Times 2023 : Bumper Edition!
[{ Australia's Global Reputation now at risk after inconceivable outcome }] (Kaboom!)
Strewth!...That is shit hot next level Rupert!
That should teach them foreign bastards not to fuck with us Aussie Shit Stirrers!
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Ambassador Rudd Apologizes for taking backward hyper-leaps in The Human Race
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*News that 60% of Australians get spoon fed.

Age : "No Vote Wins!" [ You Lose more than ya Win ]

(Spoiler Alert)
ABC : Voice Vote Defeated before WA get to waste their Vote again! {#@%!}

AFR : Dutto says defeat of the Voice is good for our Country
Australian : Voice Reffo result Heralds New Era says Jacinta Price!

Breaking News...
Daily Mail : xxx[#]// Voters call for Jacinta Price to Lead the Opposition \\[#]xxx

Sky News : Dutto demands Albo Apologize (Like hurry up...Poll is Ticking!)
Herald Sun : Albo should Quit after Catastrophic Failure (Bros before Hos!)

News : Cricketers offered Voice Counselling
smh : So what do I say to my Kids!

[ Naplan Brain Strain Covid Test ] ... How ya like me now!

Good morning, Australia, and SN crew.

I hope that people can become friends again, or at least friendly, and the divisions start to heal. We've been through a very angry and divisive period over here, and it's been sad to see the same happen to Aus - but very obvious from a distance.

I've made myself scarce on SN the last few months, as (parts of) it became an increasingly nasty place. Here's hoping for better times and a return to being good fair-minded Aussies.

All the best.

Thanks IB and I hope so too.

But the exact opposite is already happening and is only going to get worse.

This is the end of innocent Australia.

This is Australia's Trump moment.

This is the beginning of a degenerate, decayed, polarised and divided Australia internally at war with itself a-la US politics, culture, academia and media identity politics and culture wars, white-anting itself from the inside out.

This is when the progressive left and its populist identity politics and social justice activism, fuelled and indeed intoxicated by its western Marxism driven critical race theory ideology, finally splinters and disassociates itself from the rest of the population and reinforces its belief as morally and intellectually superior to, and condescendingly holds in contempt, the rest of the uneducated, ignorant, conspiracy theory believing, racist, fascist, barbarian peasant masses.

We are already seeing it happening right now, right in front of our eyes, with the Yes side now blaming the result on misinformation and lies, on the conservative right, on conspiracy theories, on racism and fascism, on ignorance and fear, etc: blaming the result on everything but itself and its new style of identity politics and culture wars.

And this is all evident in the voting patterns (where Indo was right yet again), showing that the Yes vote was concentrated in the inner city.

This is when the new age progressive left becomes completely rabid and militant and turns on the people, holding them in contempt. It's when the progressive left no longer respects, believes in and listens to the people, but instead tries to divert and derail the democratic process and freedom of speech and tries to enforce and oppress its beliefs on the people due to its conclusion that the people clearly cannot be trusted to make the correct intelligent, well informed decisions for the nation.

It's the moment Australia becomes what the US has become.

Thanks IB, it all seems fine. Just went for a coffee and people were discussing it, from both sides. It is a chance for real growth, and a wider awareness of vulnerable people. But Aussies being Aussies, getting along with each other will be front and centre now. I'm sure there will be doom and gloomers online, trying to use the moment, but they probably just need to get out of the house more.

I'm really shocked that paying c grade celebs to write yes on their hand and post it to social media with the exact same post description didn't work.

Im really shocked that Briggs labelling every no voter a racist didnt work

I'm really shocked that yes campaigners spitting on people didn't work

I'm really shocked that asking people to vote on a constitutional change with zero information didn't work

Australia will no longer be made fools of like the Governent did with Covid. The lying weasles in govenment are no longer trusted.

gsco….. the Others did it, hey?

i asked you to look in the mirror awhile back.

get on it.

for yourself, first and foremost.

(hint… the answers worthwhile there come from within. not without.)

i told you that you’d selected an ecosystem that behaves precisely as what you condemn.

not that the Others don’t…

but you only have providence over YOU.

Not any of Them.

Get on It, Gsco.

become a part of the solutions.

And stop dividing.

Anthony Albanese has said for months and months:
- nothing has worked
- no alternative to the Voice
- it is the last chance to make change (tearing up)
- no will mean no change, no improvement

Then suddenly last night he looks deep in his back pocket and finds the truth that he had misplaced for so long.

He vows to forge a new way forward to close the gap in life outcomes without The Voice.

At the core of the Yes campaign was the highly emotionally manipulative message that this was an all or nothing last roll of the dice. To vote no was to deny FNP a good future.

Load em up with guilt. Tell a big porky as it is for a good cause. That should do the trick was the unspoken strategy.

Albo just admitted that this core message was misinformation. He always knew there are other ways.

He was not alone.

ABC talk show hosts would always leave the "last hope " comment by all manner of talking heads unchallenged.

Now hope is back on the table. That is good.

However, it is now mixed with corrosive doubt as so many experts have said that hope was lost without the Voice for so long.

FNP should be furious that they were put under such a glaring spotlight and all their problems discussed so publicly, for so long, by such a flawed Yes campaign.

Just watch the campaign leadership and media synchophants dodge and weave and finger point to deflect all blame onto others. Today's headlines in many papers load on more guilt and perpetuate the "no hope" message "What do I tell my children?". Give it a rest.

However, most Australians know who told the biggest porkies. Either intellectually or in their gut.

Our bullshit detectors are well honed these days.

Looking ahead, we should advocate for the hard grind of competence and good delivery of services, that is where good change comes from - not one big idea or spin.

And..... quit the no hope talk. It is very destructive and self fulfilling.

Asked what he’ll now do for indigenous Australians Peter Dutton said that between now and the next election he’ll take advice from Jacinta Price and then formulate policies. One voice. One. Do you get the irony?

Asked what he’ll now do for indigenous Australians Peter Dutton said that between now and the next election he’ll take advice from Jacinta Price and then formulate policies. One voice. One. Do you get the irony?

— Barrie Cassidy (@barriecassidy) October 14, 2023

gsco wrote:

Thanks IB and I hope so too.

But the exact opposite is already happening and is only going to get worse.

This is the end of innocent Australia.

This is Australia's Trump moment.

This is the beginning of a degenerate, decayed, polarised and divided Australia internally at war with itself a-la US politics, culture, academia and media identity politics and culture wars, white-anting itself from the inside out.

This is when the progressive left and its populist identity politics and social justice activism, fuelled and indeed intoxicated by its western Marxism driven critical race theory ideology, finally splinters and disassociates itself from the rest of the population and reinforces its belief as morally and intellectually superior to, and condescendingly holds in contempt, the rest of the uneducated, ignorant, conspiracy theory believing, racist, fascist, barbarian peasant masses.

We are already seeing it happening right now, right in front of our eyes, with the Yes side now blaming the result on misinformation and lies, on the conservative right, on conspiracy theories, on racism and fascism, on ignorance and fear, etc: blaming the result on everything but itself and its new style of identity politics and culture wars.

And this is all evident in the voting patterns (where Indo was right yet again), showing that the Yes vote was concentrated in the inner city.

This is when the new age progressive left becomes completely rabid and militant and turns on the people, holding them in contempt. It's when the progressive left no longer respects, believes in and listens to the people, but instead tries to divert and derail the democratic process and freedom of speech and tries to enforce and oppress its beliefs on the people due to its conclusion that the people clearly cannot be trusted to make the correct intelligent, well informed decisions for the nation.

It's the moment Australia becomes what the US has become.

Come out to the country and talk to some over 60 white peoples and tell me racism , misinformation and unfounded fears didn’t contribute to this result. The concentration of voting patterns really should come as no surprise.
And yes we are heading towards a US style of politics, Dismissing the progressive left ias a bunch of identity politics obsessed marxists is more a tactic of right media I would say to create a point of division with which too distract from issues that will affect us all. So while your self and the likes of Indo are happy to punch down on those radical lefty’s remember when you’ve supported laws of suppression and surveillance over freedom and equality and the crazed protesters are gone our march towards a more oppressive society will be fully realised.

Identity politics is not a torch born by the left, it is a tool born and amplified by the establishment to keep the stupid angry and occupied. The same as the No campaign.

Most lefty’s are working for something better.

I hope politicians learn from this episode !
Referendums are supposed to be NOT political !
They MUST have bipartisan support .
A proper process must be followed .
Changing or adding Foundation Stones has to be a EASY decision . The big decisions should always be the EASIEST to make . If unsure , do nothing . No F UPs.
The lines at my booth were long ( 1.5 hours ) . The mood was great ( as usual on an Election Day as the fight has finished and we are just waiting for the result ) .
I can't believe some of the stuff I seen happen in other places .
It was a referendum !!!
Not a political protest ! Too see volunteers of either Side be abused is an absolute disgrace .
An Australian referendum is when we are meant to come together .

Supafreak wrote:

Asked what he’ll now do for indigenous Australians Peter Dutton said that between now and the next election he’ll take advice from Jacinta Price and then formulate policies. One voice. One. Do you get the irony? https://twitter.com/barriecassidy/status/1713147525094637715?s=49&t=5Rc…

She’s a shooting star of the conservatives (IPA) that’s for sure.

Imagine what could have been done with the billions wasted on Albo's ego legacy.
The most arrogant, clueless, out of touch Labor PM in history. He surrounds himself with Volvo driving elite woke lefties when he should go down to the pub and listen to what the real people are saying. About time he was shown the door. Cheers.

gsco wrote:

It’s a great day for Australia, for all Australian people.

A day the Australian people spoke clearly against racial segregation, privilege and division.

A day we confirmed that there is no them and us, that we are all one peoples standing together in unity with a shared destiny.

A day we upheld the basic principles underlying our free way of life of equal opportunity, equal rights, and equal freedoms.

This referendum was not a vote on the establishment of a Voice body or on the recognition of Aboriginal Australians. It was just a vote on constitutional change.

A Voice body can be created in legislation and Aboriginal Australians can continue to be recognised and celebrated in many ways.

I, like all Australians, want and will continue to work towards better outcomes for Aboriginal Australians and this referendum does not change that or reflect otherwise.

100% agree

In the next week or so there will be many articles and evaluations and im sure most will read it totally wrong and not understand why No voters voted the way they did, and Crikey, Sat Paper, Guardian and others similar media will claim Australia is racist or something silly or blame it all on disinformation of which lets be real the Yes camp and government were just as guilty of, saying all kinds of misleading and conflicting things to get it up.

But i think the reality is much different I think most No voters are like me and you and voted against being officially divided in the constitution and having democracy in a sense divided and if the voice was in policy only most of us including me would support it or if basic recognition in the constitution only most would support it.

Personally im positive about the future and hope this is a turning point to being more as one and we move away from this divisive us and them, victim and oppressor mentality and while we give empathy and support that we understand that change most be made by people themselves and even expected.

Result wise the percentage to me is no surprise and i think about what i called a few pages back, and the Tassie result makes much more sense than polls indicated, Vic though i thought would be closer and maybe even be the only state that got up, ACT result not a surprise as basically just a city where dare i say out of touch people with wider Australia tend to be, so the Yes vote strong.

I think its scary to think what the result would have been if both campaign's had similar budgets, im sure the blow out would have been even bigger if the Yes camp didn't have 20 million worth of TV advertising that was extremely manipulative, no doubt it did swing some people possible mid to older women who still watch TV.

Although i think the endorsement by big business, sporting bodies, clubs, celebes, bands and even International celebs, possibly did more damage than good.

In a way i think democracy is also the winner, this and Clives campaign last election has shown that things cant be bought.

BTW. I also have to say i think our referendum system is very good, its good that to get up it doesn't just need to cross the 50% line and that we need the majority of states, it ensures that things with only very high public support Australia wide get up.

soggydog wrote:

Supafreak wrote:

Asked what he’ll now do for indigenous Australians Peter Dutton said that between now and the next election he’ll take advice from Jacinta Price and then formulate policies. One voice. One. Do you get the irony? https://twitter.com/barriecassidy/status/1713147525094637715?s=49&t=5Rc…

She’s a shooting star of the conservatives (IPA) that’s for sure.

So Jacinta... How is it that colonisation has been good for Aboriginal people?
Please Explain...
Flame Out

old-dog wrote:

Imagine what could have been done with the billions wasted on Albo's ego legacy.

The most arrogant, clueless, out of touch Labor PM in history. He surrounds himself with Volvo driving elite woke lefties when he should go down to the pub and listen to what the real people are saying. About time he was shown the door. Cheers.

Hi Mr Hanson... how's Pauline these days,

If SpudDutton had gotten onboard with this it would have passed in all likelihood... Just this fact alone tells you why it failed.

gsco wrote:

Thanks IB and I hope so too.

But the exact opposite is already happening and is only going to get worse.

This is the end of innocent Australia.

This is Australia's Trump moment.

This is the beginning of a degenerate, decayed, polarised and divided Australia internally at war with itself a-la US politics, culture, academia and media identity politics and culture wars, white-anting itself from the inside out.

This is when the progressive left and its populist identity politics and social justice activism, fuelled and indeed intoxicated by its western Marxism driven critical race theory ideology, finally splinters and disassociates itself from the rest of the population and reinforces its belief as morally and intellectually superior to, and condescendingly holds in contempt, the rest of the uneducated, ignorant, conspiracy theory believing, racist, fascist, barbarian peasant masses.

We are already seeing it happening right now, right in front of our eyes, with the Yes side now blaming the result on misinformation and lies, on the conservative right, on conspiracy theories, on racism and fascism, on ignorance and fear, etc: blaming the result on everything but itself and its new style of identity politics and culture wars.

And this is all evident in the voting patterns (where Indo was right yet again), showing that the Yes vote was concentrated in the inner city.

This is when the new age progressive left becomes completely rabid and militant and turns on the people, holding them in contempt. It's when the progressive left no longer respects, believes in and listens to the people, but instead tries to divert and derail the democratic process and freedom of speech and tries to enforce and oppress its beliefs on the people due to its conclusion that the people clearly cannot be trusted to make the correct intelligent, well informed decisions for the nation.

It's the moment Australia becomes what the US has become.

"Innocent Australia"... like?????
Yr truly a nutjob...
Oh, sorry, a fascist nutjob

Harry - it needed more than one person .
Referendums are NOT the forum to sort out F...en differences .
U young people should take the hint !
Australians have proved to me again , we don't like OUR Foundation Stones Opened , unless we ALL agree on a principle . The Details ( where Devil's hide ) need to be worked out !!!
To abuse this process is wrong !
Like the Monarchy ref . Only Canberra voted it in .
Surely , that tells us all that this was totally mishandled .
It meets my hurdle .

1967... The referendum was announced on 23 February 1967 by Prime Minister, Harold Holt. The 'Yes' campaign received bi-partisan support from the Coalition and Labor with the Prime Minister giving several speeches supporting the campaign.
(https://www.nla.gov.au/research-guides/the-1967-referendum/the-campaign#)
When the Constitution first came into being in 1901 there were only two parts that referred to the First Peoples of Australia: Section 51 (xxvi) gave the Commonwealth power to make laws with respect to ‘people of any race, other than the Aboriginal race in any state, for whom it was deemed necessary to make special laws’; and Section 127 provided that ‘in reckoning the numbers of people of the Commonwealth, or of a State or other part of the Commonwealth, aboriginal natives shall not be counted’. (https://aiatsis.gov.au/explore/1967-referendum)
Hence the need for bipartisanship. C'mon you rightywhiteys.. u can go all crazy "we told you so wokeys" "we're not racist" "f**ing marxists" whatevers but in the true light of day only one thing created divisiveness and failure to pass... and we all know what that was. Mr Chips and the NOalition's politiking.

@pop, harrycoopr is an 84 year old with a young soul

A little less word rabble but soulful healing tunes from those kind to the cause of enrichment and good.

It will be very very interesting to read what policies JP comes up with for spud before next election seeing as colonisation has only benefited FNP , apparently they have never had it so good , you know , running water from a tap for starters .

https://twitter.com/KosSamaras/status/1713317141469171849

Sorry this one too.. hehe

'misinformation'

bullshit!!

plain old loathing and classism!

(and keeping the sticky difficult bits out of the debate...)

"...The Yes campaign could have merged the two common experiences between First Nations people and working class people. But it never wanted class to be part of the campaign.

Next time put some Labor people in charge of such a campaign and not Libs."

https://twitter.com/KosSamaras/status/1713149524028625229

Supafreak wrote:

It will be very very interesting to read what policies JP comes up with for spud before next election seeing as colonisation has only benefited FNP , apparently they have never had it so good , you know , running water from a tap for starters .

And other irrelevant stuff like almost doubling average life expectancy.

Policy and other things can only be used as helping hand, the hard work needs to be done by people themselves, but its going to very hard to change around mindsets that many have been ingrained with.

And this ..just too beautiful to cast aside

Agree Sypkan,
Australia is being destroyed economically. Millions of people are fucked financially but the government spend ALL this money on a vote with no substance.

harrycoopr wrote:

gsco wrote:

Thanks IB and I hope so too.

But the exact opposite is already happening and is only going to get worse.

This is the end of innocent Australia.

This is Australia's Trump moment.

This is the beginning of a degenerate, decayed, polarised and divided Australia internally at war with itself a-la US politics, culture, academia and media identity politics and culture wars, white-anting itself from the inside out.

This is when the progressive left and its populist identity politics and social justice activism, fuelled and indeed intoxicated by its western Marxism driven critical race theory ideology, finally splinters and disassociates itself from the rest of the population and reinforces its belief as morally and intellectually superior to, and condescendingly holds in contempt, the rest of the uneducated, ignorant, conspiracy theory believing, racist, fascist, barbarian peasant masses.

We are already seeing it happening right now, right in front of our eyes, with the Yes side now blaming the result on misinformation and lies, on the conservative right, on conspiracy theories, on racism and fascism, on ignorance and fear, etc: blaming the result on everything but itself and its new style of identity politics and culture wars.

And this is all evident in the voting patterns (where Indo was right yet again), showing that the Yes vote was concentrated in the inner city.

This is when the new age progressive left becomes completely rabid and militant and turns on the people, holding them in contempt. It's when the progressive left no longer respects, believes in and listens to the people, but instead tries to divert and derail the democratic process and freedom of speech and tries to enforce and oppress its beliefs on the people due to its conclusion that the people clearly cannot be trusted to make the correct intelligent, well informed decisions for the nation.

It's the moment Australia becomes what the US has become.

"Innocent Australia"... like?????

Yr truly a nutjob...

Oh, sorry, a fascist nutjob

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't realise that what I mean by "innocent Australia" is that Australian politics, society and academia has not completely succumbed to identity politics, critical race theory and cultural warfare like the US has (but of course we are very close).

(Btw your reaction is the reason theYes campaign failed: holding those who have a different view to you in contempt, insulting and abusing them, and labelling them as racist and fascist (combined with a condescending and contemptuous campaign based on thinking the general public would get duped by a gigantic appeal to emotion and guilt). I'm one of the least racist and fascist people you'll meet.)

Now is a moment of choice for Australia. Either the progressive left doubles down in the critical race theory bunkers and takes things to the next level, and then the conservative right reacts to this by itself bunkering down, or hopefully the worm has turned in Aus/NZ politics and we move away from western Marxism:

Great day for Conservatism downunder. Australia votes against the idea that we should be treated differently because of racial background and Ardern quitting couldn't stop the Nationals taking power in NZ. 👏👏

— Tim Montgomerie 🇬🇧 (@montie) October 14, 2023

Some good news for a change, on the other side of the world:

- Australia had a referendum for a constitutional amendment that would've created a "Voice" to Parliament, which came with very little detail. It had the backing of the Australian federal government, every major…

— Spike Cohen (@RealSpikeCohen) October 14, 2023

Australia rejects the Indigenous Voice to Parliament, which would have enshrined racial identity politics in its constitutional makeup. A stunning blow to the politics of identity, made against the usual elite smears. Democracy is the solution to wokeness https://t.co/K37OfSAwSn

— Tom Slater (@Tom_Slater_) October 14, 2023

🗣 ‘The reason why I don’t like identity politics is because it forces people to look at themselves as tribes.’

🎙 Fraser Nelson in conversation with Kemi Badenoch at Tory conference pic.twitter.com/4kSLh6mCaO

— The Spectator (@spectator) October 14, 2023

indo-dreaming wrote:

Supafreak wrote:

It will be very very interesting to read what policies JP comes up with for spud before next election seeing as colonisation has only benefited FNP , apparently they have never had it so good , you know , running water from a tap for starters .

And other irrelevant stuff like almost doubling average life expectancy.

Policy and other things can only be used as helping hand, the hard work needs to be done by people themselves, but its going to very hard to change around mindsets that many have been ingrained with.

@indo 100 + years ago most people around the world life expectancy was 40-45 so what’s your point ?

A win for:
1. The callous (don't care)
2. The jealous (they're getting something I don't have)
3. Negativism (if a government does something it MUST be wrong)
4. Constitutional conservatives (who make sweeping motherhood statements regarding the Constitution but don't actually understand its framing, content nor intent)
5. Dutton and the politics of division (Abbot 3.0)
6. Newscorp (lies, hyperbole and misinformation)
7. Racists
8. Conspiracists (But now you're in the majority is it still a conspiracy???)
9. 20% of the 4% indigenous people(0.8%) who don't want the Voice
10. Haters
11. Dullards
12. Those who opposed the Voice and talk big game about how we can do better for our FNP, but NEVER provide one example about how that will occur

These groups aren't mutually exclusive, so you can be in more groups than one...

arrogant.. out of touch...

and a campaign that was elitist, messy

...and liberal!

showed no pragmatism, and decidely vague...

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https…

clueless...

13. Arrogant and out of touch

Thanks had forgotten them

Now I'm just shaking my head and laughing at my stupidly naive post from this morning.

san Guine wrote:

A win for:

1. The callous (don't care)

2. The jealous (they're getting something I don't have)

3. Negativism (if a government does something it MUST be wrong)

4. Constitutional conservatives (who make sweeping motherhood statements regarding the Constitution but don't actually understand its framing, content nor intent)

5. Dutton and the politics of division (Abbot 3.0)

6. Newscorp (lies, hyperbole and misinformation)

7. Racists

8. Conspiracists (But now you're in the majority is it still a conspiracy???)

9. 20% of the 4% indigenous people(0.8%) who don't want the Voice

10. Haters

11. Dullards

12. Those who opposed the Voice and talk big game about how we can do better for our FNP, but NEVER provide one example about how that will occur

These groups aren't mutually exclusive, so you can be in more groups than one...

you go rove!

(who was also clueless and full of shit)

"Now is a moment of choice for Australia. Either the progressive left doubles down in the critical race theory bunkers and takes things to the next level, and then the conservative right reacts to this by itself bunkering down, or hopefully the worm has turned in Aus/NZ politics and we move away from western Marxism:"

totally!

unfortunately, I think double down and bunker down is all they know...

wasn't naïve, IB, just a bit of short-term defragging going on : )

Supafreak wrote:

indo-dreaming wrote:

Supafreak wrote:

It will be very very interesting to read what policies JP comes up with for spud before next election seeing as colonisation has only benefited FNP , apparently they have never had it so good , you know , running water from a tap for starters .

And other irrelevant stuff like almost doubling average life expectancy.

Policy and other things can only be used as helping hand, the hard work needs to be done by people themselves, but its going to very hard to change around mindsets that many have been ingrained with.

@indo 100 + years ago most people around the world life expectancy was 40-45 so what’s your point ?

Well if Aboriginal people were left to be and live like they had for thousands of years they still would be dying at 40.

The modern world was brought here by colonialism, there is good reason why there is no Aboriginal movement to go back to living as they once did even with so much land under Aboriginal control, it's because colonialism and the modern world that comes with it has brought many positive's.

Obviously thats not to say there hasn't been negative's too as we know they are well documented and receive much attention, but the positives have not.

Even if you were to say the modern world was introduced without colonialism, whats more realistic to expect?

1. That Australia would be a developed peaceful democratic country with much opportunity

Or

2. That Australia would be a developing country with high levels of poverty and similar issues seen today in indigenous communities.

IMHO its fair to expect it would be very similar to PNG including still being bent over for rich resource's.

Anyway i was trying to stay uncontroversial and a little sensitive today understanding how many are feeling, and the missus just got home so im off kids duties, so im going to go do some stuff and get off the PC :D

SG
"12. Those who opposed the Voice and talk big game about how we can do better for our FNP, but NEVER provide one example about how that will occur"

Occasionally in interviews Linda Berney and others would roll out concrete examples of programs improving due to listening to grassroots feedback. They all seemed quite straightforward examples of how any service to any group or need in Australia should work with no magical Voice in the middle.

It is happening now. To deny this is to label every service provider as incompetent including the one founded by Noel Pearson.

At the core of all programs is the process of consult, understand, plan, do and then adjust through feedback and measurement. That is how things work. Usually feedback at a program level is best to adjust things - not at some big picture type level (such as the Voice).

But to sustain the campaign they had to sweep reality under the carpet and just give everyone a little peak every now at some example to show listening happens sometimes and helps (but very rarely, apparently, because there is no Voice).

Hardly truthful to normal practice or a way to give existing providers (including FNP run ones) any sense of worth or competence. Bluntly the message was "You are all doing a crap job." with occasional exceptions. How cynical and harmful is that for FNP?

Linda Berney talked the defeatist, small game and that all hope will be lost without a magic wand .... until last night when she rediscovered other options that existed all along. Credibility going forward?

you're dead right frog

indiginous input has been the norm for at least a decade or more

but for the YES campaign to maintain their 'all eggs in one basket' narrative, they had to present it as otherwise

'misinformaion' if you will...

southerraw is dead right about his little schtik regarding blending western education with aboriginal ways for better outcomes... I purposely didn't engage with him on this topic because i didn't want to undermine him... the truth is, up north, they been doing this for cosiderable amount of time, and a simple google of 'both ways' will show this to be true

there are plenty of other examples

the whole 'narrative' was based on hype and mis-truth

yet apparently 'misinformation' won the day...

social media is absolutely jam packed with well meaning people lamenting this supposed 'fact'

the ABC is getting slammed for spreading the 'misinformation' and 'lies', but there is never a solid exanple given... even when one is explicitly asked for...

never... nothing...

yes there was misinforation and lies out there, but it was never presented without challenge in the real media

it was reported, not presented...

an important distinction!

the YES campaign had a messy mesage, with conflicting 'truths', and constant damage control, as shown in the article above

this often descended into the need for blatant 'misinformation'

but...

apparently...

these constant cries of misinformation - then and now - just convey a message that NO voters and dumb and gullible...

stupid

when, it appears the opposite is often true

Island Bay wrote:

Now I'm just shaking my head and laughing at my stupidly naive post from this morning.

Stay in your lane IB!

sypkan wrote:

these constant cries of misinformation - then and now - just convey a message that NO voters and

when, it appears the opposite is often true

Haha... classic!! Didn't you see the interviews with No voters? DerpyDerp

@ #boycottindo "Well if Aboriginal people were left to be and live like they had for thousands of years they still would be dying at 40."
My god... this guy's stupidity just keeps on truckin'

goofyfoot wrote:

Island Bay wrote:

Now I'm just shaking my head and laughing at my stupidly naive post from this morning.

Stay in your lane IB!

The Slow Lane :-)

frog wrote:

SG

"12. Those who opposed the Voice and talk big game about how we can do better for our FNP, but NEVER provide one example about how that will occur"

Occasionally in interviews Linda Berney and others would roll out concrete examples of programs improving due to listening to grassroots feedback. They all seemed quite straightforward examples of how any service to any group or need in Australia should work with no magical Voice in the middle.

It is happening now. To deny this is to label every service provider as incompetent including the one founded by Noel Pearson.

At the core of all programs is the process of consult, understand, plan, do and then adjust through feedback and measurement. That is how things work. Usually feedback at a program level is best to adjust things - not at some big picture type level (such as the Voice).

But to sustain the campaign they had to sweep reality under the carpet and just give everyone a little peak every now at some example to show listening happens sometimes and helps (but very rarely, apparently, because there is no Voice).

Hardly truthful to normal practice or a way to give existing providers (including FNP run ones) any sense of worth or competence. Bluntly the message was "You are all doing a crap job." with occasional exceptions. How cynical and harmful is that for FNP?

Linda Berney talked the defeatist, small game and that all hope will be lost without a magic wand .... until last night when she rediscovered other options that existed all along. Credibility going forward?

Burney, not Berney...just saying!

harrycoopr wrote:

sypkan wrote:

these constant cries of misinformation - then and now - just convey a message that NO voters and

when, it appears the opposite is often true

Haha... classic!! Didn't you see the interviews with No voters? DerpyDerp

I did...

bloody alarming to be honest

ugly

but, these morons would've voted NO anyway...

they are such a minority it is insignificant

grouping all NO voters with such a 'minority' helps nobody's cause

plrase don't try and tell me mundine's concern for his people is not genuine...

Warren Mundine explodes at the Brisbane press gallery and good on him, well deserved.

"We had a vote tonight that said Australians want to get things done, wake up to yourselves and start asking real questions and making governments accountable!"@nyunggai #Referendum2023 #Media pic.twitter.com/Ohf5ilO5JD

— Timjbo 🇦🇺 (@TimjboAU) October 14, 2023