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There's those bloody "elites" again.
Like I said, when you can't find an enemy, invent one.
The right are such a miserable pathetic bunch of do nothing whingers.
Love the last comment
Seems the "left" in here are doing all the whinging. Including yourself. If you live an a glass house, don't throw rocks.
Ah yes, the NDIS.
Those out of control spiralling costs are largely due to your fellow taxpayer rorting the system and ultimately you.
Those service providers found to be acting fraudulently , apart from any criminal penalty, be banned from receiving any taxpayer funded benefit such as medicare, PBS etc for life.
Anyway we now we have a template on how to ensure a referendum doesn't get up.
1. Ensure you dont have bipartisan support, you can do this by not negotiating on the proposal.
2. Ensure you dont have draft legislation in place so people dont understand or trust things.
3. Ensure you cant answers important questions and tell them you will figure those things out after (see number two)
4. Ensure you give as much mixed messages as possible, better still just lie where possible about things people can check and see are not true, ideally you want to have as many different people saying different things present and in the past, so instead of one or two leaders with clear messages have half a dozen with mixed messages.
5. Ensure you have questionable people involved who are on record having said some shady things that are going to spook people, praising communist is good start
6.Insult and call names to those that dont agree with you or question your proposal, racist, chicken littles, bigots, stupid, is a good start and when they bust your lies call them conspiracy theorist, its also important to call anything they say or point out as disinformation.
7. Ensure you have USA celebrities telling Aussies what they should support, cause we always love other's getting involved in our politics especially when they have no idea what its about.
8. Ensure big corporations back you, big business is a must but big sporting bodies and other organisations are good too, everyone loves being told how to think by big corporations.
9. Ensure you have an old washed up pop singer with an old annoying hit that people have already heard ten too many times as your theme song, then make an long advert with no info in it they must endure.
10. Slam your message down peoples throats, with non stop TV advertising, bill boards, TV host, bands, concerts the more the better, guilt trip the fuck out of people until they vote against what you want.
Was trying to keep it to ten, but 11 is important.
11. Make sure the question doesn't reflect the actual thing you are selling, for instance you could bang on about advice and advisory body for a year and then not even have the words advice or advisory body in the question or chapter to be included in the constitution, even better focus on one aspect like recognition when its really more about the aspect not mentioned properly like an advisory body.
After all this, you should get the No result you are after.
I'm not "left" mate.
Dutto and the boys were complaining about Albo and the crew ignoring more pressing issues such as the cost of living, yet the right are still banging on about the referendum.
Pretty hilarious really. Scomo refused to take responsibility for anything, down to lying to a Royal Commission. Albo takes responsibility and people are calling for his head. Pretty funny what people want when it suits an agenda.
Gee wizz what does it take to be quoted as an authority on SN these days? No matter the bullshit as long as the person I’m quoting agrees with me that’s all that matters
#algorithmrabbitholes
#cockwomble
#fuckfacts
#legendinmylunchbox
#mythoughtsaremytruthandreality
And Scomo was Minister for Everything at one stage.
it was / is a good start...
the whole thing is fundamentally flawed in it's design, it would take some real self refletoon to accept that...
it is just mindblowing the amount of bureaucracy that came with this beast, along with lack of the most basic of checks and balances
it is beyond unsustainable
still...
Grammar alert Burleigh!! You can't throw rocks. They're too fucking big. It's stones you don't want to be throwing in a glass house.
getting a bit accusational there salty one
when actually, the opportunities I've resisted...
perfectly legitimate ones (see above)
gawd knows why I bother
the inherent design encourages otherwise...
I should buy some tuning forks and increase my prices to match the premium for 'therapuetic practice'
'research' and 'evidence based' practice of course...
apparently...
but not!
" ... it is just mindblowing the amount of bureaucracy that came with this beast, along with lack of the most basic of checks and balances ..."
Huh?
Want to rephrase that? explain yourself? or are you happy with the inherent contradiction ?
Yep Gina, one of the richest individuals on earth carrying on about elites!!
Just confirmed with my Geologist wife that you can indeed throw a rock.
what contradiction?
it is possible to have layers and layes of bullshit bureaucracy whilst overlooking the most basic of checks and balances isn't it?
I know it is...
because that's what they did
He just wrote the first thing that came into his head.
true but the language you use there was similar to that used by abbott to sack 100s at the ATO, ASIC and ACCC under the smoke and mirrors excuse of cutting red tape before the Hayne RC into banking and we all know what that found.
Yeah, but Sypkan. Your original post had a tone that is was Labor that was mismanaging the NDIS, when it was actually the LNP. Shorten has cleaned it up to the tune of billions over 4 years. Did you check the link I posted. The saving over 4 years is projected into the billions.
Like Robodebt……….. the hard bit is going to be how you pin that one on Labor.
The trouble with the NDIS, aged care and child care costs is the “private “ operators price gouging and general dishonesty, Howard started the privatisation lunacy with child care and aged care and its been a runaway gravy train for spivs ever since … it’s how neoliberalism is supposed to work
Its pretty clear the majority of people voted based on income/class and not even party lines so much, most of the Yes seats are in areas with high to very high incomes its not a stretch to call this demographic Elites, or all those politicians and academics elites like Marcia & Noel, yeah sure there is many elites in the No camp too and Elites that would have voted No, but there was still a clear pattern based of class on how people voted.
Elite being
"In political and sociological theory, the elite (French: élite, from Latin: eligere, to select or to sort out) are a small group of powerful people who hold a disproportionate amount of wealth, privilege, political power, or skill in a group. Defined by the Cambridge Dictionary"
“academics elite”
You mean like the Melb Uni “elite” whose comments you’ve postings????
You simply can’t make shit up like this
#algorithmrabbitholes
#cockwomble
#fuckfacts
#legendinmylunchbox
#mythoughtsaremytruthandreality
#myelitesaren’telite
like i said above
"yeah sure there is many elites in the No camp too and Elites that would have voted No, but there was still a clear pattern based of class on how people voted."
The results of seats where people voted Yes generally supports this.
And they have always been there (as a kid we would call them toffs) and they come from both sides of the political spectrum.
"Elites", like "Wokes" are just terms adopted and bastardised by the right to label others when in need of an enemy.
What's next I wonder?
"Like Robodebt……….. the hard bit is going to be how you pin that one on Labor."
because they designed it
it's their baby
and they are reluctant to admit the fundamental design flaws within it
some of it was acceptable at the start, even inevitale... but they have had 10 years or more now to sort it out, but nohing...
interestingly, I know people deep within it, that advocated for it at the start, even before its conception, and will continue to do so...
but even these people can see it is totally unsustainable, and are quietly screaming for change... silently biding their time, before planning to blow the whistle on the whole thing...
also interestingly, many people did the hard yards in the sector before, on low wages, doing shit jobs - literally... but with the influx of cash, came a heap of blowins and money makers. even some famous footballer was celebrated in the afr for his astute 'investment' and selling on of his business...
literally anyone can move in, set up with no experience, and print money... the only qualification being capital... and those connected to policy makers - from both sides of politics - know this, have been told this...
it's a fucking disaster, attracting all the wrong people
once again, it's intentions were so good, but some very very basic overlooking -bordering on incompetence - has created a monster...
and once again, the sensitive nature of the sector, means questions that should be asked, are swept away and shut down
meanwhile, in darkness...
Darn right there salty except once as a community education was valued without question but these days as you correctly suggest it’s been downgraded by weaponised terms like‘elite’ for crass political reasons
Elites is actually a very fair and accurate word to describe these people and majority of Yes seats and its far from a new word or description
Obviously its doesn't mean everyone that voted Yes are elites, or that many elites didn't vote No.
I guess some people like you might not like it, because as a Yes voter you dont like to be lumped in with elites as traditionally the left has not been elite, quite the opposite although the vibe i get here is more of a elite type vibe more a white collar vibe.
Over the last twenty years we have and are seeing a clear change of values in many areas between left and right. almost a complete flip.
Traditionally the right have been the rich and elites, the left the common man and blue collar worker, today though they are not they are the inner city university educated.
You can see this swap in all kind's of areas, for instance Conservatives were always the ones doing the censoring which is now more only religious conservative's, while now its the left who are obsessed with canceling and suppression of views.
BTW. This is actually a problem for LNP as they are losing these high income elite seats, especially too teals and those teals seat's also voted Yes not a good sign for LNP
Unfortunately change is not happening so much the other way and many working class people in the burbs havent woken up to this shift yet , i guess because they take far less interest in politics or social issues so vote more on tradition or habit.
And then you have people stuck in the middle like Sypkan or Blowin etc who have seen the shift and are traditionally leftist (in a positive way) but cant bring themselves to move to the right, Blowin even use to use the term fake left, these are the people that long for the Labor of old.
This vote is interesting because it was far less along party lines and more about class in how people voted to me the results clearly shows the true left and true right. (obviously taking the Aboriginal voter out of things)
I would check my mothers unity bill each month and with out fail there would always be some bullshit added costs . Her package from the government gave her $54,000 a year and unity was our aged care provider . Besides the $14,500 annual administration costs they would charge $60 for a 1 hour care worker and pay the workers $27. There were charges per kilometre for distance worker had to travel from previous job but they would also charge for a nurse visit that never happened, this happened on numerous occasions. Very generous from the government $54,000 a year only for private aged care agencies to rort the fuck out of it . Unity was once government run but was privatised like everything else .
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You said
"Elites is actually a very fair and accurate word to describe these people and majority of Yes seats and its far from a new word or description."
You missed the point again.
more pure gold from the AFR:
Enlightenment ideals defeat the identity politics of the discriminatory Voice
"The arguments for the referendum failed because they challenged the fundamental principles of Australia’s liberal democracy and longstanding political culture.
"In the referendum debate, Australia’s Enlightenment liberalism, based on equal citizenship for all and humanitarian respect for the individual, was forced to confront the new culture of identity politics and defeated it.
"Again, only within the ideology of identity politics can it become “racist” to refuse to treat individuals principally as members of a race."
Sad to say that your story wouldn’t be the exception Supa, best not to grow frail :/
I will point out a worrying trend for me .
Important debates in Australia are becoming progressively grubbier .
Politics has lead the way with the media following very happily .
The USA will split within 10 years .
The Two sides hate each other .
Their ( so called ) Un biased Institutions are now in the contest .
Australia is not like the US !
We have referendums !
I played League and real Football from school to 36 .
Loved a contest and miss it like an old dog .
However !!!!
Life is not like football .
There should be no ( real ) contest between family ( I have 2 daughters who are tough ) , friends and neighbours . Lot's of problems and arguments , no problem . Lot's of give and take .
Listen to PBS 106.6FM 24/7 ( when you're not surfing ) , and don't watch the telly .
And be good to your mums :)
haha, are you Kemp, @gsco, or did you work with him at uni? Quite enjoyed A Liberal State, bit broad-brushstoke though.
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one for reform...
"The Yes campaign was sabotaged from within"
oooooooohh... a conspiracy theory... from the left!
jokes aside...
(jokes?)
why the hell did they use a liberal campaign apparatus?
detail...
someone say elites?
No . Went to uni , but didn't work .
what went on there? felt like a burger gal reveal.
maybe gsco and pop down are AI and it glitched.
what happen to the maths chat basesix?
first you must answer there riddles 3 (well, just boring questions really):
are you kemp, have you chatted to optimist, do you have reverence for the hexagon?
You know if writer is carrying on about Marxist, woke, identity politics blah blah that they could be full of shit?
Mac - I agree .
Anything could be full of shit so I read the article twice .
I removed the words ( and a paragraph ) Marxist , woke and Identity politics the second time .
It's not full of shit , mostly facts imho !
https://independentaustralia.net/australia/australia-display/the-tragic…
andy-mac then you may need to enlighten university humanities departments across the globe with your wisdom that they're full of shit - they're the ones peddling this western Marxist claptrap, as reflected in the voting patterns of the Yes vote: inner city, younger, uni educated (brought up on a steady diet of 3 square meals per day of critical race theory, which is all that's taught nowadays)
basesix:
1. quite possibly nothing is as it seems
2. opti used to be a forums stalwart until the hardline history-denying western Marxists finally broke him by denying the central importance of Christianity and engaging in their typical tribal cancel culture abuse. I was nice to him btw and valued his views.
3. challenge me
Good article +1
+2.
Went over to the ABC to get their editorials on what happened and they are on a different planet.
Well you're the one working in a University.
Way I see it, we have a media landscape dominated by Murdoch, who is 100% behind the LNP. Then there is Nine media whose chairman is Peter Costello, again may have a little more sense of balance, but pro LNP all the way. AFR included.
ABC had board stacked by previous conservative govts, and now with all their main presenters ex Murdoch. All pushing IPA , LNP objectives. ABC tries to give impression of balance, but goes harder on Labor pollies than LNP. If a reporter goes hard on LNP such as Michaela Cash, Ita will sack them on spot as happened.
And you say we are being over run with a woke Marxist agenda.
Geez they must be active on tiktok as the only time I hear about the danger of neo Marxist ideas is when I read articles from even more right wing publications such as Quadrant and your comments here.
Anyway I've said enough. Sad time for Australia where we cannot recognise our FNP in the constitution and give them a non binding Voice on how to improve their situation....
But hey keep throwing the shit and misinformation.
Ciao.
I'm sorry, but without further information, I'm going to peg you as an intelligent person with a cultural or fundamental disconnect. Generally, you sound like one of my international students, trying to work out how this all works here, overlaying their own weird theory and squashing everything to fit. It is quite sweet in the real world. But takes some discussion.
intriguing, but you are officially denied meaningful engagement with me, due to duplicitous fogging. It is a shame, though this is a surf site, I had hope for you here, gsco. I wish you well, and hope you find challenge in the world you have created.
we all know what planet...
just had an in depth discussion with a voice advocate mate... said exactly the same thing!
their 'analysis' requres some analysis...