Elon deserves his own thread
GuySmiley wrote:
@info says "@ Jeffy BTW. Starlink also makes billions per year."
well, perhaps not ......
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/03/10/why-european-starlink-rival-eutelsat-sh…
I doubt Elon is worried the article quite literally says they use Elons rockets to launch their satellites.
But yeah Ukraine might be wise to use another service with Musk aligned with Trump and the uncertainty around things.
BTW. For a while Elon was providing free Starlink to Ukraine before USA government started picking up the tab
haha, in all seriousness, reading christopher hitchens' 'why orwell matters' now, is contemplative, instructive and timely. it's a cheap paperback, so little lost if it don't yield much for the reader. bible cheap, you might say.
i.e. how people choose to view things > (greater than) the things themselves, and inevitably this proportionality changes the world, even if only reinforcing pre-existing bias. super basic idea, worth drilling down on with orwellian colonial/expat context, when there's so much fluff and ephemera doing our nuts in.
In more space X news this just happened another Space X rocket launch launching "NASA SPHEREx space telescope and PUNCH solar probes"
Article on what it's about
https://www.space.com/space-exploration/missions/spacex-rocket-launches…
Also this is happening soon, Elon to the rescue like Thunderbirds
"Elon Musk says SpaceX capsule will bring home stranded ISS astronauts ‘in a few weeks’
The two NASA astronauts who have been stranded on the International Space Station (ISS) since June will be hitching a ride home on a SpaceX craft in just “a few weeks,” according to Elon Musk — as NASA prepares to launch their replacements on Wednesday night."
https://nypost.com/2025/03/11/us-news/elon-musk-says-spacex-capsule-wil…
indo-dreaming wrote:
@info says "@ Jeffy BTW. Starlink also makes billions per year."well, perhaps not ......
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/03/10/why-european-starlink-rival-eutelsat-sh…
I doubt Elon is worried the article quite literally says they use Elons rockets to launch their satellites.
But yeah Ukraine might be wise to use another service with Musk aligned with Trump and the uncertainty around things.
BTW. For a while Elon was providing free Starlink to Ukraine before USA government started picking up the tab
“BTW. For a while Elon was providing free Starlink to Ukraine before USA government started picking up the tab” basically a loss leader….nothing benevolent about it. Knowing the subscriptions will be an ongoing source of $.
Nothing to get excited about.
basesix wrote:
haha, in all seriousness, reading christopher hitchens' 'why orwell matters' now, is contemplative, instructive and timely. it's a cheap paperback, so little lost if it don't yield much for the reader. bible cheap, you might say.
i.e. how people choose to view things > (greater than) the things themselves, and inevitably this proportionality changes the world, even if only reinforcing pre-existing bias. super basic idea, worth drilling down on with orwellian colonial/expat context, when there's so much fluff and ephemera doing our nuts in.
Yeah I get it
Fluff and ephemera and ephedrine and everything else?
indo-dreaming wrote:
Also this is happening soon, Elon to the rescue like Thunderbirds
"Elon Musk says SpaceX capsule will bring home stranded ISS astronauts ‘in a few weeks’
The two NASA astronauts who have been stranded on the International Space Station (ISS) since June will be hitching a ride home on a SpaceX craft in just “a few weeks,” according to Elon Musk — as NASA prepares to launch their replacements on Wednesday night."
https://nypost.com/2025/03/11/us-news/elon-musk-says-spacex-capsule-wil…
What sort of condition will these guys be in when they get back to earth ? That long in a weightlessness environment must have some effect on the body and the mental anguish they would be going through thinking about if they will ever get back to earth and family . Sure they get trained for all this but that’s a long time to be left up there .
Yeah they get all muscle loss and weaker bones etc
Would be a bit of head fck too, thinking you are going for 8 day's and it ends up being 9 months, stuck with one other person.
kim stanley robinson books + elon enjoyment = special combo.
make it happen @indo, it will change your life.
it will be a life well spent, mentally.
you will smile reflectively as you breathe your last.
Here's the DOGE tracker for anyone playing at home.
"The Musk Watch DOGE Tracker allows anyone to easily cut through the spin about DOGE and see how much savings can be verified. It also allows the public to go deeper and see what is being cut and who is being impacted. It will be updated weekly."
Yeah and im sure thats reliable.
BTW. Iet's just say it's true and the saving's have been inflated, all that means is they aren't cutting enough fat.
You cant have it both ways, and say they are inflating the savings but also cutting too much.
indo-dreaming wrote:
Yeah and im sure thats reliable.
BTW. Iet's just say it's true and the saving's have been inflated, all that means is they aren't cutting enough fat.
You cant have it both ways, and say they are inflating the savings but also cutting too much.
Yes, you totally absolutely say that and have it be true. Have a little think about it.
Also, this happened last month, so there's that.
Like i said if the savings aren't as much as claimed, all it means is they need to cut more fat.
indo-dreaming wrote:
Like i said if the savings aren't as much as claimed, all it means is they need to cut more fat.
Ah, but that's not what you said.
As for your little picture, mate, it's not just eliminating wasteful spending now, is it. Come on. Look at the cuts objectively. You can be honest with yourself.
Hiccups wrote:
As for your little picture, mate, it's not just eliminating wasteful spending now, is it. Come on. Look at the cuts objectively. You can be honest with yourself.
What you are basically trying to say is the USA government runs very efficiently and corruption free, so there couldn't possibly be billions in wastage and misspending being found.
We all know that is just utterly ridiculous, we all know that even in Australia our government waste huge money as do state government's and council's, they do so because it's not their money so they dont give a shit and there is corruption in looking after mates or organisations that they aligned with or get voter support from etc
The reality is you just dont like who is in charge of finding the wastage, nothing else.
BTW. looking at the website it seems like one figure is DOGE recommendations of cuts and then the other is the actually cuts made with the savings.
So its misleading to start with, DOGE says we can save this much if all recommendations are followed, the government then goes, hmmm yeah we agree on that one but not this one and implements the cuts they feel are needed, and then you would expect some are still going through a deeper process of investigation to see if it could or should be cut or not.
@info peabrain thinks so he writes so it’s true in his head “ …. We all know that is just utterly ridiculous, we all know that even in Australia our government waste huge money as do state government's and council's, they do so because it's not their money so they dont give a shit and there is corruption in looking after mates or organisations that they aligned with or get voter support from etc …”
What the fuck is this? Your opinion? Your FRWNJ bias? Or what you believe as fact?
Here you dropped your cap
indo-dreaming wrote:
As for your little picture, mate, it's not just eliminating wasteful spending now, is it. Come on. Look at the cuts objectively. You can be honest with yourself.What you are basically trying to say is the USA government runs very efficiently and corruption free, so there couldn't possibly be billions in wastage and misspending being found.
I don't have any problem with a government trying to cut wasteful spending, why would I? Nor am I even close to saying that the US government runs smoothly and corruption free. Not sure how you extrapolated that from what I said. Oh, yes I do, and it's probably related to you seemingly not having any problem with huge funding cuts to education (amongst other things).
Plenty of teachers over there that voted for Trump, despite him saying that he'd gut education, are very unhappy right now. I guess if they were better educated in the first place then they probably would've done more than vote on the price of eggs.
What i try to do with any issue is go see what both sides of the media are saying, i will read Murdoch media but also go to the ABC or the Guardian etc
Or in the USA case Fox and say CNN
I then get both takes and a complete picture.
I know you guys dont do this, which is why you often dont understand issues properly.
I havent looked into these education cuts that deep, I heard some talk on the radio and a quick google comes up with some explanations
"Why the Department of Education is going to RIP
Time to take a business-minded approach to education: cut waste, demand results and introduce real accountability for results"
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/why-the-department-of-education-is-goin…
BTW. it would be very hard to gut the education department in the USA as the federal government only provides 8% of funding.
https://www.ed.gov/about/ed-overview/federal-role-in-education
indo-dreaming wrote:
What i try to do with any issue is go see what both sides of the media are saying, i will read Murdoch media but also go to the ABC or the Guardian etc
Or in the USA case Fox and say CNN
I then get both takes and a complete picture.
I know you guys dont do this, which is why you often dont understand issues properly.
I havent looked into these education cuts that deep, I heard some talk on the radio and a quick google comes up with some explanations
"Why the Department of Education is going to RIP
Time to take a business-minded approach to education: cut waste, demand results and introduce real accountability for results"
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/why-the-department-of-education-is-goin…
BTW. it would be very hard to gut the education department in the USA as the federal government only provides 8% of funding.
https://www.ed.gov/about/ed-overview/federal-role-in-education
Geez mate, you have no idea how education works...
indo-dreaming wrote:
What i try to do with any issue is go see what both sides of the media are saying, i will read Murdoch media but also go to the ABC or the Guardian etc
Or in the USA case Fox and say CNN
I then get both takes and a complete picture.
I know you guys dont do this, which is why you often dont understand issues properly.
I havent looked into these education cuts that deep, I heard some talk on the radio and a quick google comes up with some explanations
"Why the Department of Education is going to RIP
Time to take a business-minded approach to education: cut waste, demand results and introduce real accountability for results"
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/why-the-department-of-education-is-goin…
BTW. it would be very hard to gut the education department in the USA as the federal government only provides 8% of funding.
https://www.ed.gov/about/ed-overview/federal-role-in-education
Couldn’t you pick two better sources than fox & cnn ?
indo-dreaming wrote:
What i try to do with any issue is go see what both sides of the media are saying, i will read Murdoch media but also go to the ABC or the Guardian etc
Or in the USA case Fox and say CNN
I then get both takes and a complete picture.
I know you guys dont do this, which is why you often dont understand issues properly.
I havent looked into these education cuts that deep, I heard some talk on the radio and a quick google comes up with some explanations
"Why the Department of Education is going to RIP
Time to take a business-minded approach to education: cut waste, demand results and introduce real accountability for results"
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/why-the-department-of-education-is-goin…
BTW. it would be very hard to gut the education department in the USA as the federal government only provides 8% of funding.
https://www.ed.gov/about/ed-overview/federal-role-in-education
Holy shit. Says he KNOWS others here don't look at different sides of media, and that's why WE often don't see the issues properly, and THEN posts a link to FOX NEWS and comes up with some quarter baked personal opinion from the "quick google" he just did. This is richer than my grandma's xmas pudding. Honestly, bro. Sort yourself out. This is wild stuff.
@indo , surely you’re taking the piss with that post , I did laugh.
Hiccups wrote:
What i try to do with any issue is go see what both sides of the media are saying, i will read Murdoch media but also go to the ABC or the Guardian etcOr in the USA case Fox and say CNN
I then get both takes and a complete picture.
I know you guys dont do this, which is why you often dont understand issues properly.
I havent looked into these education cuts that deep, I heard some talk on the radio and a quick google comes up with some explanations
"Why the Department of Education is going to RIP
Time to take a business-minded approach to education: cut waste, demand results and introduce real accountability for results"
https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/why-the-department-of-education-is-goin…
BTW. it would be very hard to gut the education department in the USA as the federal government only provides 8% of funding.
https://www.ed.gov/about/ed-overview/federal-role-in-education
Holy shit. Says he KNOWS others here don't look at different sides of media, and that's why WE often don't see the issues properly, and THEN posts a link to FOX NEWS and comes up with some quarter baked personal opinion from the "quick google" he just did. This is richer than my grandma's xmas pudding. Honestly, bro. Sort yourself out. This is wild stuff.
Thanks for proving my point.
Fox news...no way...fingers in ears lal la la.
*I dont want to hear any explanations on why this or that might have been cut.*
"Wilfully ignorant" describes the state of intentionally avoiding knowledge or information, often to maintain a certain perspective or avoid responsibility, rather than simply being unaware. "
Supafreak wrote:
@indo , surely you’re taking the piss with that post , I did laugh.
Why dont you think Fox and CNN are good example's of both ends of the spectrum?
Im not saying dont also go read more neutral middle of the road sources.
I often do that too.
But if you want completely different perspective's on something and the whole picture you have to sometimes go to the media totally at both ends of the spectrum.
But yeah lots of people dont like to do it, they wont even touch media they know wont confirm what they want to hear.
Only someone who somehow only recently, and in middle age, learned the phrase, willyfully ignorant, would see fit to post the definition on an internet forum to try to make a point. Epic struggles.
Plus, I read your Fox article, and lol.
Anyway Hicups lets be honest here and cut the bullshit.
The only reason you are against DOGE is because its Elon and trump doing it, if it was the same thing being done by the Dems, you wouldn't have an issue.
Nice come back.
Losing control there a bit Indo.
I might not post much but I do read a fair bit of the stuff here.
indo-dreaming wrote:
Anyway Hicups lets be honest here and cut the bullshit.
The only reason you are against DOGE is because its Elon and trump doing it, if it was the same thing being done by the Dems, you wouldn't have an issue.
Yes, I would have an issue, and I've said multiple times that I don't like democrats. I KNOW you pore over this thread, every last word, so dont even pretend you didnt know that.
Anyway, I'm off for the night. Ciao!
@indo , CNN and Fox may well be both ends of the spectrum but if their reporting isn’t factual , then what are you taking from the article ? A bunch of nonsense that you then form an opinion about said nonsense ? Fox’s credibility is in the toilet . https://www.npr.org/2023/02/28/1159819849/fox-news-dominion-voting-rupe…
Supafreak wrote:
@indo , CNN and Fox may well be both ends of the spectrum but if their reporting isn’t factual , then what are you taking from the article ? A bunch of nonsense that you then form an opinion about said nonsense ? Fox’s credibility is in the toilet . https://www.npr.org/2023/02/28/1159819849/fox-news-dominion-voting-rupe…
Mate you were quite happy to use Fox when it suited you for ivermectin.
CNN quite literally tried to claim protest were mostly peaceful while cars burnt behind them.
Even a media source like ABC that in theory has to be balanced and accountable gets caught out for spinning shit at times, a more recent example was trying to paint concerned resident in Alice springs as white supremest.
And it should be noted some media like ABC are just more clever in how they mislead, just leaving out important key points so something will be framed a certain way, they arent lying as such, just not giving you all the information.
All media has become basically opinion piece based, mixed with some facts that just can't be ignored.
An example just in headlines would be
Fact:s: A shooter kills 7 people in Germany all media must report this.
Left media: German shooter kills 7 people in Munich
Right media; Syrian refugee kills 7 people in Munich shooting.
Then the article's will be the same.
Hence why its good to read both article's
Anyway this is a conversation that will go nowhere and has been done before.
“BTW. DODGE is only an advisor and seperate from the government, DODGE doesn't make the call on what's cut, it only uncovers wastage and misspending and makes recommendation's , the government then are the ones that make the call on defunding or cut's.”
& Nek Minnit :
“ What i try to do with any issue is go see what both sides of the media are saying, i will read Murdoch media but also go to the ABC or the Guardian etc
Or in the USA case Fox and say CNN
I then get both takes and a complete picture.
I know you guys dont do this, which is why you often dont understand issues properly.”
Supafreak wrote:
@indo , surely you’re taking the piss with that post , I did laugh.
I was just about to say the exact same thing.
This guy can’t be the full quid.
“ I know you guys dont do this, which is why you often dont understand issues properly.”
This would have to be one of the all time great ignorant, unaware statement’s that the resident joker has posted.
Incredible scenes.
indo-dreaming wrote:
@indo , CNN and Fox may well be both ends of the spectrum but if their reporting isn’t factual , then what are you taking from the article ? A bunch of nonsense that you then form an opinion about said nonsense ? Fox’s credibility is in the toilet . https://www.npr.org/2023/02/28/1159819849/fox-news-dominion-voting-rupe…Mate you were quite happy to use Fox when it suited you for ivermectin.
CNN quite literally tried to claim protest were mostly peaceful while cars burnt behind them.
Even a media source like ABC that in theory has to be balanced and accountable gets caught out for spinning shit at times, a more recent example was trying to paint concerned resident in Alice springs as white supremest.
And it should be noted some media like ABC are just more clever in how they mislead, just leaving out important key points so something will be framed a certain way, they arent lying as such, just not giving you all the information.
All media has become basically opinion piece based, mixed with some facts that just can't be ignored.
An example just in headlines would be
Fact:s: A shooter kills 7 people in Germany all media must report this.
Left media: German shooter kills 7 people in Munich
Right media; Syrian refugee kills 7 people in Munich shooting.
Then the article's will be the same.
Hence why its good to read both article's
Anyway this is a conversation that will go nowhere and has been done before.
Indo I posted a Fox News video because it was an interview with Tucker & a Dr that was talking about what was happening in Australia during covid . They were discussing how the government had stepped in and had more or less taken the Dr role in the Dr patient relationship . If you believe I regularly posted Fox news then you’re dreaming . If you use Fox & CNN as your news source for comparisons in what’s happening in the US and believe as a result this makes you more informed than others, then again you’re dreaming .
Define dreaming:
Dreaming refers to the internally generated perceptual experiences that occur during sleep and are accepted by the dreamer at the time as reality. Dreams are predominantly visual but may include other senses as well.
Define delusional:
A delusional person believes things that couldn't possibly be true. If you're convinced that the microwave is attempting to control your thoughts, you are, sadly, delusional. Delusional comes from a Latin word meaning "deceiving." So delusional thinking is kind of like deceiving yourself by believing outrageous things.
mattlock wrote:
Nice come back.
Losing control there a bit Indo.
I might not post much but I do read a fair bit of the stuff here.
mattlock don't get sucked in. I've quoted this Mark Twain saying before and I'll quote it again
“Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.”
Moonah wrote:
@indo , surely you’re taking the piss with that post , I did laugh.I was just about to say the exact same thing.
This guy can’t be the full quid.“ I know you guys dont do this, which is why you often dont understand issues properly.”
This would have to be one of the all time great ignorant, unaware statement’s that the resident joker has posted.
Incredible scenes.
The lil fella STILL hasn't got it through his bonce that there's a big difference between antisemitism and anti-zionism, yet he thinks others don't understand the issues properly. Incredible scenes indeed.
A delusion held by one person is a mental illness, held by a few is a cult, held by many is a religion.
Trump is Indos religion.
indo-dreaming wrote:
@indo , CNN and Fox may well be both ends of the spectrum but if their reporting isn’t factual , then what are you taking from the article ? A bunch of nonsense that you then form an opinion about said nonsense ? Fox’s credibility is in the toilet . https://www.npr.org/2023/02/28/1159819849/fox-news-dominion-voting-rupe…Mate you were quite happy to use Fox when it suited you for ivermectin.
CNN quite literally tried to claim protest were mostly peaceful while cars burnt behind them.
Even a media source like ABC that in theory has to be balanced and accountable gets caught out for spinning shit at times, a more recent example was trying to paint concerned resident in Alice springs as white supremest.
And it should be noted some media like ABC are just more clever in how they mislead, just leaving out important key points so something will be framed a certain way, they arent lying as such, just not giving you all the information.
All media has become basically opinion piece based, mixed with some facts that just can't be ignored.
An example just in headlines would be
Fact:s: A shooter kills 7 people in Germany all media must report this.
Left media: German shooter kills 7 people in Munich
Right media; Syrian refugee kills 7 people in Munich shooting.
Then the article's will be the same.
Hence why its good to read both article's
Anyway this is a conversation that will go nowhere and has been done before.
I agree indo.
Gee you’re up against it mate
Except that CNN these days is corporate media, basically pretending that Trump is just your average American President, not reporting on his dark side until it has to, when the stock markets keep crashing and the
Wall St Journal calls it the dumbest trade war ever.
I heard of being leg less, been there myself but sooo long ago, but wheel less is a new one on me ……
https://news.grabien.com/story/colbert-on-tesla-cars-getting-wheels-sto…
Alana_a wrote:
@indo , CNN and Fox may well be both ends of the spectrum but if their reporting isn’t factual , then what are you taking from the article ? A bunch of nonsense that you then form an opinion about said nonsense ? Fox’s credibility is in the toilet . https://www.npr.org/2023/02/28/1159819849/fox-news-dominion-voting-rupe…Mate you were quite happy to use Fox when it suited you for ivermectin.
CNN quite literally tried to claim protest were mostly peaceful while cars burnt behind them.
Even a media source like ABC that in theory has to be balanced and accountable gets caught out for spinning shit at times, a more recent example was trying to paint concerned resident in Alice springs as white supremest.
And it should be noted some media like ABC are just more clever in how they mislead, just leaving out important key points so something will be framed a certain way, they arent lying as such, just not giving you all the information.
All media has become basically opinion piece based, mixed with some facts that just can't be ignored.
An example just in headlines would be
Fact:s: A shooter kills 7 people in Germany all media must report this.
Left media: German shooter kills 7 people in Munich
Right media; Syrian refugee kills 7 people in Munich shooting.
Then the article's will be the same.
Hence why its good to read both article's
Anyway this is a conversation that will go nowhere and has been done before.
I agree indo.
Gee you’re up against it mate
Thanks, i think this sums thing's up perfectly.
What you need to see
What the BBC want you to only see.
And everything